on further inspection of the white words you see this
Custimize them with new and powerful Background cards
that’s why partner not a mechanic they are probably replaced with this
so now every commander game will be planeschase as well?
Character backgrounds in DND are minor bonuses reflecting your upbringing.
I 100% expect them to increase your color identity and for you to be able to use a single background with a single commander (not with partners) who has no more than one color in its color identity (allowing Mono green Ulamog, Rakdos Toshiro Umezawa, etc).
I expect that each one will come with a VERY minor bonus (akin to a slightly larger maximum handsize, getting to scry 1 at the start of your first turn, or making a 0/1 plant token once) and either a deckbuilding restriction a la companions or substantial downside (creatures attacking you getting +1/+0, noncreature spells you cast costing 1 more, etc) so that they (theoretically) aren’t used everywhere.
I expect them to be a new card type like conspiracies, though they may also be enchantments that function from your command zone (a la eminence).
Whatever they are, I expect a lot of blowback from people who “like” building mono-colored decks and who feel that they no longer have any reason to do so.
y'all are gonna be real mad when the gandalf planeswalker card drops
No actually. Gandalf makes perfect sense as a Planeswalker being an all powerful archmage. A mid level fighter or even spider gods do not make sense as walkers.
y'all are gonna be real mad when the gandalf planeswalker card drops
No actually. Gandalf makes perfect sense as a Planeswalker being an all powerful archmage. A mid level fighter or even spider gods do not make sense as walkers.
its almost like they defined what a walker was in magic, and then shoe-horned in a character from another IP to try and fit that mold without any real concern for the lore that they established for their own IP. just to try and drive sales up by attracting a different demographic, thus diluting their IP in the process.
minsc and boo in magic form is... i don't really care for it. magic isn't really designed for storytelling, and these characters have their stories told in other games. it makes them continually feel out of place and unnecessary in magic
given that we can't escape these things now, i like how they can be your commander, but its a tough sell if boo doesn't count for commander damage. r/g kinda already sucks too, so a fling commander in colors with minimal meaningful recursion is also kind of a tough sell. yeah green gets a lot of regrowth effects, but they're not all great, and some are extremely mana intensive. sure you can make creatures massive, but its so phoned in where in the modern removal heavy meta it just doesn't feel viable. it just... nothing about this card feels necessary or expansive to the format right now.
i do really like that they reprint the battlebond land cycle, and reflecting pool too. city of brass would've also been a good option, but i'll take more pools any day.
i'm just not sold that any of these cards needed to exist in the dnd setting over the magic setting. like that brain thing, that couldn't have just as easily been a thing from innistrad or phyrexia, some horror buried under ravnica maybe? a creation of thrull breeding on sarpadia? that couldn't have been from existing magic lore and used as a means to expand on, and connect with, that lore? those little things go a very long way toward player engagement - but that's probably also aiming for a long term goal instead of short term goal. hey look we sold a bunch of packs to dnd players that will never reliably play both! sales are up! best selling set in history (that we won't release data for)! i'm sure we'll see that tweet as we have almost every set in the past 2 years
y'all are gonna be real mad when the gandalf planeswalker card drops
No actually. Gandalf makes perfect sense as a Planeswalker being an all powerful archmage. A mid level fighter or even spider gods do not make sense as walkers.
It's D&D. The rules are different. Any schmuck can be a planeswalker if they know the right people and/or know the right spell. Minsc has gone to another plane before.
on further inspection of the white words you see this
Custimize them with new and powerful Background cards
that’s why partner not a mechanic they are probably replaced with this
so now every commander game will be planeschase as well?
Character backgrounds in DND are minor bonuses reflecting your upbringing.
I 100% expect them to increase your color identity and for you to be able to use a single background with a single commander (not with partners) who has no more than one color in its color identity (allowing Mono green Ulamog, Rakdos Toshiro Umezawa, etc).
I expect that each one will come with a VERY minor bonus (akin to a slightly larger maximum handsize, getting to scry 1 at the start of your first turn, or making a 0/1 plant token once) and either a deckbuilding restriction a la companions or substantial downside (creatures attacking you getting +1/+0, noncreature spells you cast costing 1 more, etc) so that they (theoretically) aren’t used everywhere.
I expect them to be a new card type like conspiracies, though they may also be enchantments that function from your command zone (a la eminence).
Whatever they are, I expect a lot of blowback from people who “like” building mono-colored decks and who feel that they no longer have any reason to do so.
Those are my crazy predictions, anyways.
I think it’ll be cool if they could be used with older legends but I have a feeling they’ll be keyworded only to work with specific legends from this set. I don’t think they’ll be draft only because the listings on the commander decks say that they’ll have your commander and 98 card decks. I am actually really excited to see how it works. It’s very flavorful for a dnd set.
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y'all are gonna be real mad when the gandalf planeswalker card drops
No actually. Gandalf makes perfect sense as a Planeswalker being an all powerful archmage. A mid level fighter or even spider gods do not make sense as walkers.
Gandalf couldn't even get himself off a tower without begging help from the eagles. "all powerful archmage" my butt.
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I think these exist because every engaged fan and their mothers make fun tribute sets of "what if these characters were magic cards" so there's clearly a market for that sort of thing, the same way secret lairs exist because there's a market for radical card alters and commander products exist because there's a market for people who play a fan created version of the rules.
I don't understand this pervasive reactionary idea that magic the gathering is a tiny little narrow concept instead of a broad platform or an entire medium of expression. This stuff doesn't form in a vacuum, it's a discursive process between fans and the company and it's working so much better now that the company is paying attention to the fans instead of weird upper management mandates or the tiny pro community.
And I'm all for eliminating the profit motive and collectivizing wizards of the coast so that they can solely make decisions based on what they think would be creatively fulfilling rather than what they need to do to bring their shareholders value, but that's a conversation I'm pretty sure you're not that interested in.
y'all are gonna be real mad when the gandalf planeswalker card drops
No actually. Gandalf makes perfect sense as a Planeswalker being an all powerful archmage. A mid level fighter or even spider gods do not make sense as walkers.
Gandalf couldn't even get himself off a tower without begging help from the eagles. "all powerful archmage" my butt.
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I think these exist because every engaged fan and their mothers make fun tribute sets of "what if these characters were magic cards" so there's clearly a market for that sort of thing, the same way secret lairs exist because there's a market for radical card alters and commander products exist because there's a market for people who play a fan created version of the rules.
I don't understand this pervasive reactionary idea that magic the gathering is a tiny little narrow concept instead of a broad platform or an entire medium of expression. This stuff doesn't form in a vacuum, it's a discursive process between fans and the company and it's working so much better now that the company is paying attention to the fans instead of weird upper management mandates or the tiny pro community.
And I'm all for eliminating the profit motive and collectivizing wizards of the coast so that they can solely make decisions based on what they think would be creatively fulfilling rather than what they need to do to bring their shareholders value, but that's a conversation I'm pretty sure you're not that interested in.
Magic is way more subtle in middle earth than it is in the magic the gathering multiverse. I wouldn’t expect him to teleport himself down. The only problem I have with him being a Planeswalker is they wouldn’t add the this can be your commander line in made for modern products.
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on further inspection of the white words you see this
Custimize them with new and powerful Background cards
that’s why partner not a mechanic they are probably replaced with this
so now every commander game will be planeschase as well?
Character backgrounds in DND are minor bonuses reflecting your upbringing.
I 100% expect them to increase your color identity and for you to be able to use a single background with a single commander (not with partners) who has no more than one color in its color identity (allowing Mono green Ulamog, Rakdos Toshiro Umezawa, etc).
I expect that each one will come with a VERY minor bonus (akin to a slightly larger maximum handsize, getting to scry 1 at the start of your first turn, or making a 0/1 plant token once) and either a deckbuilding restriction a la companions or substantial downside (creatures attacking you getting +1/+0, noncreature spells you cast costing 1 more, etc) so that they (theoretically) aren’t used everywhere.
I expect them to be a new card type like conspiracies, though they may also be enchantments that function from your command zone (a la eminence).
Whatever they are, I expect a lot of blowback from people who “like” building mono-colored decks and who feel that they no longer have any reason to do so.
Those are my crazy predictions, anyways.
I think it’ll be cool if they could be used with older legends but I have a feeling they’ll be keyworded only to work with specific legends from this set. I don’t think they’ll be draft only because the listings on the commander decks say that they’ll have your commander and 98 card decks. I am actually really excited to see how it works. It’s very flavorful for a dnd set.
I agree that it's likely locked to key worded Legends, but only in regards to being co-commanders. I think Backgrounds will be a subtype of Auras that can only be attached to Legendary Creatures, and that certain Legendary Creatures from this set will have a keyword that allows them to take a Background into the Command Zone, adding it's colour to their own.
Outside chance that if made a cocommander the Background ends up automatically attached to the Creature Commander in all zones, but increases Creature Commander's own cost.
Side note if you look closely at the Pre-release kit art, you see Canaries, which means it's Bahumet in Dragon form, likely a creature version. It might be 5 colours given Brass Dragons are in black (I think it might be the first time that mono black got generally good type of creature, usually Brass Dragons are Chaotic Good).
I've been trying to break down the numbers and I'm having a hard time figuring out how they fit all of this into only 935 cards.
The main set is 361 like CL1, but there is way more alt art card types each of which gets it's own post 361 number then CL1. There is also 4 Commander Decks and those are part of CLB too.
CL1 had borderless planeswalkers, extended art, and Etched Foils, which CLB has too, but CLB also has the D&D Manual Alt Art and whatever odd art treatment is on the Collector Boosters (I'm guessing exclusive to Legendary Dragons maybe?).
Extended Art, Rulebook Frames, Boarderless Planeswalkers and the unnamed style are not going to take less then 200 numbers. 72 to 101 Etched Foil cards with their own numbers, next are the 40 new Commander Precon cards. Probably roughly 288 reprints, 5 to 10 new basic lands for the Precons & Bundles. The Bundle Promo and the Buy a Box Promo.
y'all are gonna be real mad when the gandalf planeswalker card drops
I already didn't like when they announced that. I've accepted a level of anger at that and it won't grow. I won't be buying any of those cards and I wish less people would too.
Backgrounds in 5e D&D help you flesh out the backstory/personality of your character. My guess is some kind of passive cards that increase your commander's color identity and have an "eminence" effect.
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Well, I will play Devil's Advocate and say (in my mind) Gandalf as a Planeswalker makes very little sense to me flavorwise. He is a very powerful wizard. We have plenty of those and they are not Planeswalkers. If anything, I could definitely see them doing a flip card Legend for him.
Don't know why LotR actually needs Planeswalkers to be an interesting and successful set. Or any set, for that matter. Hell, that would be a very nice gimmick for once. Let's see what happens to gameplay without them.
Well, I will play Devil's Advocate and say (in my mind) Gandalf as a Planeswalker makes very little sense to me flavorwise. He is a very powerful wizard. We have plenty of those and they are not Planeswalkers. If anything, I could definitely see them doing a flip card Legend for him.
Don't know why LotR actually needs Planeswalkers to be an interesting and successful set. Or any set, for that matter. Hell, that would be a very nice gimmick for once. Let's see what happens to gameplay without them.
Oh how I would love one standard rotation without broken walkers. The wandering emperor was rediculous before it even saw print
Well, I will play Devil's Advocate and say (in my mind) Gandalf as a Planeswalker makes very little sense to me flavorwise. He is a very powerful wizard. We have plenty of those and they are not Planeswalkers. If anything, I could definitely see them doing a flip card Legend for him.
Don't know why LotR actually needs Planeswalkers to be an interesting and successful set. Or any set, for that matter. Hell, that would be a very nice gimmick for once. Let's see what happens to gameplay without them.
I think they will probably at least have two. This is replacing the Horizons set (I believe) for the year and they have had 2 and 3 planeswalkers. It could be an interesting mechanic to showcase characters who can interact with the unseen realm/the realm that Frodo goes to when he puts on the ring and sees the ringwraiths as they really are. Maybe all planeswalkers in the set could be flip walkers and an effect goes into play that will flip them into plaieswalkers. I don't know. I actually like planeswalkers as a type but I don't know if they fit particularly well in this set either. Gandalf could be a flip walker between Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White. Sauron could be a planeswalker mechanically as he is more a presence, he did have a physical form but he is largely felt rather than seen or fought directly.
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Well, one benefit of making Gandalf a planeswalker is that they can't accidentally make them a Human Wizard. I know some people who would give them their piece of mind about that.
Hell, that would be a very nice gimmick for once. Let's see what happens to gameplay without them.
They are mythic rare. How much does a gimmick at mythic rare really influence how that particular set plays?
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People want planeswalker cards. Characters get elevated to get planeswalker cards. The whole argument that Minsk was on another plane and hence should count as a planeswalker is disingenuous or uninformed; there are plenty of characters in MtG-Lore that have crossed over to other planes and aren't planeswalkers for it.
That doesn't mean a designer needs to ignore the design option for U0niverses Beyond. I just wish the "contamination" of MtG-space with UB-cards was regulated a bit more. I hate to have to filter the list of planeswalker types by UB/mtg-lore and soon acorn/eternal, too.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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Character backgrounds in DND are minor bonuses reflecting your upbringing.
I 100% expect them to increase your color identity and for you to be able to use a single background with a single commander (not with partners) who has no more than one color in its color identity (allowing Mono green Ulamog, Rakdos Toshiro Umezawa, etc).
I expect that each one will come with a VERY minor bonus (akin to a slightly larger maximum handsize, getting to scry 1 at the start of your first turn, or making a 0/1 plant token once) and either a deckbuilding restriction a la companions or substantial downside (creatures attacking you getting +1/+0, noncreature spells you cast costing 1 more, etc) so that they (theoretically) aren’t used everywhere.
I expect them to be a new card type like conspiracies, though they may also be enchantments that function from your command zone (a la eminence).
Whatever they are, I expect a lot of blowback from people who “like” building mono-colored decks and who feel that they no longer have any reason to do so.
Those are my crazy predictions, anyways.
No actually. Gandalf makes perfect sense as a Planeswalker being an all powerful archmage. A mid level fighter or even spider gods do not make sense as walkers.
its almost like they defined what a walker was in magic, and then shoe-horned in a character from another IP to try and fit that mold without any real concern for the lore that they established for their own IP. just to try and drive sales up by attracting a different demographic, thus diluting their IP in the process.
minsc and boo in magic form is... i don't really care for it. magic isn't really designed for storytelling, and these characters have their stories told in other games. it makes them continually feel out of place and unnecessary in magic
given that we can't escape these things now, i like how they can be your commander, but its a tough sell if boo doesn't count for commander damage. r/g kinda already sucks too, so a fling commander in colors with minimal meaningful recursion is also kind of a tough sell. yeah green gets a lot of regrowth effects, but they're not all great, and some are extremely mana intensive. sure you can make creatures massive, but its so phoned in where in the modern removal heavy meta it just doesn't feel viable. it just... nothing about this card feels necessary or expansive to the format right now.
i do really like that they reprint the battlebond land cycle, and reflecting pool too. city of brass would've also been a good option, but i'll take more pools any day.
i'm just not sold that any of these cards needed to exist in the dnd setting over the magic setting. like that brain thing, that couldn't have just as easily been a thing from innistrad or phyrexia, some horror buried under ravnica maybe? a creation of thrull breeding on sarpadia? that couldn't have been from existing magic lore and used as a means to expand on, and connect with, that lore? those little things go a very long way toward player engagement - but that's probably also aiming for a long term goal instead of short term goal. hey look we sold a bunch of packs to dnd players that will never reliably play both! sales are up! best selling set in history (that we won't release data for)! i'm sure we'll see that tweet as we have almost every set in the past 2 years
I think it’ll be cool if they could be used with older legends but I have a feeling they’ll be keyworded only to work with specific legends from this set. I don’t think they’ll be draft only because the listings on the commander decks say that they’ll have your commander and 98 card decks. I am actually really excited to see how it works. It’s very flavorful for a dnd set.
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A legacy of lies,
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The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
Night breaks through the day, hard as a stone
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Gandalf couldn't even get himself off a tower without begging help from the eagles. "all powerful archmage" my butt.
I think these exist because every engaged fan and their mothers make fun tribute sets of "what if these characters were magic cards" so there's clearly a market for that sort of thing, the same way secret lairs exist because there's a market for radical card alters and commander products exist because there's a market for people who play a fan created version of the rules.
I don't understand this pervasive reactionary idea that magic the gathering is a tiny little narrow concept instead of a broad platform or an entire medium of expression. This stuff doesn't form in a vacuum, it's a discursive process between fans and the company and it's working so much better now that the company is paying attention to the fans instead of weird upper management mandates or the tiny pro community.
And I'm all for eliminating the profit motive and collectivizing wizards of the coast so that they can solely make decisions based on what they think would be creatively fulfilling rather than what they need to do to bring their shareholders value, but that's a conversation I'm pretty sure you're not that interested in.
Magic is way more subtle in middle earth than it is in the magic the gathering multiverse. I wouldn’t expect him to teleport himself down. The only problem I have with him being a Planeswalker is they wouldn’t add the this can be your commander line in made for modern products.
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It'll be more annoying if it's Gollum or Aragorn. Gandalf or Saruman would make some sense. I'd prefer no planeswalkers, but oh well.
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I agree that it's likely locked to key worded Legends, but only in regards to being co-commanders. I think Backgrounds will be a subtype of Auras that can only be attached to Legendary Creatures, and that certain Legendary Creatures from this set will have a keyword that allows them to take a Background into the Command Zone, adding it's colour to their own.
Outside chance that if made a cocommander the Background ends up automatically attached to the Creature Commander in all zones, but increases Creature Commander's own cost.
Side note if you look closely at the Pre-release kit art, you see Canaries, which means it's Bahumet in Dragon form, likely a creature version. It might be 5 colours given Brass Dragons are in black (I think it might be the first time that mono black got generally good type of creature, usually Brass Dragons are Chaotic Good).
That's not a problem in Oathbreaker.
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What does this have to do with Planechase?
The main set is 361 like CL1, but there is way more alt art card types each of which gets it's own post 361 number then CL1. There is also 4 Commander Decks and those are part of CLB too.
CL1 had borderless planeswalkers, extended art, and Etched Foils, which CLB has too, but CLB also has the D&D Manual Alt Art and whatever odd art treatment is on the Collector Boosters (I'm guessing exclusive to Legendary Dragons maybe?).
Extended Art, Rulebook Frames, Boarderless Planeswalkers and the unnamed style are not going to take less then 200 numbers. 72 to 101 Etched Foil cards with their own numbers, next are the 40 new Commander Precon cards. Probably roughly 288 reprints, 5 to 10 new basic lands for the Precons & Bundles. The Bundle Promo and the Buy a Box Promo.
The could easily end up over 935 cards.
I already didn't like when they announced that. I've accepted a level of anger at that and it won't grow. I won't be buying any of those cards and I wish less people would too.
Don't know why LotR actually needs Planeswalkers to be an interesting and successful set. Or any set, for that matter. Hell, that would be a very nice gimmick for once. Let's see what happens to gameplay without them.
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Oh how I would love one standard rotation without broken walkers. The wandering emperor was rediculous before it even saw print
I think they will probably at least have two. This is replacing the Horizons set (I believe) for the year and they have had 2 and 3 planeswalkers. It could be an interesting mechanic to showcase characters who can interact with the unseen realm/the realm that Frodo goes to when he puts on the ring and sees the ringwraiths as they really are. Maybe all planeswalkers in the set could be flip walkers and an effect goes into play that will flip them into plaieswalkers. I don't know. I actually like planeswalkers as a type but I don't know if they fit particularly well in this set either. Gandalf could be a flip walker between Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White. Sauron could be a planeswalker mechanically as he is more a presence, he did have a physical form but he is largely felt rather than seen or fought directly.
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A legacy of lies,
A familiar disguise
Sing with me a song of conquest and fate
The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
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They are mythic rare. How much does a gimmick at mythic rare really influence how that particular set plays?
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People want planeswalker cards. Characters get elevated to get planeswalker cards. The whole argument that Minsk was on another plane and hence should count as a planeswalker is disingenuous or uninformed; there are plenty of characters in MtG-Lore that have crossed over to other planes and aren't planeswalkers for it.
That doesn't mean a designer needs to ignore the design option for U0niverses Beyond. I just wish the "contamination" of MtG-space with UB-cards was regulated a bit more. I hate to have to filter the list of planeswalker types by UB/mtg-lore and soon acorn/eternal, too.
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