Hadn't seen this posted anywhere yet. It came as an extra in Teferi's Time Trouble: purchased 4 and received it and 3x of the Jumpstart archeology island.
Well thats a crappy bonus. The archeology island is even worse.
Guess I gotta hope its a x/100 in my Teferi Time Trouble.
Was hoping it was a card still on the theme of the Lair. That persistent petitioners looks like a double masters box topper
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Based on the borderless art and on how the flavor text is written, I’d wager there’ll be quite a few different versions of this card. And when placed next to each other, the arts will form a mural full of petitioners and the flavor text will be a very long petition spanning all those cards.
How many copies of the card are in a typical petitioner deck? That’s likely the number of different versions we’ll see appearing in secret lairs…
Really seems like If you're wanting good reprints in Paper Magic nowadays then Secret Lairs are the only real way to go for now on which is unfortunate for those who want to support their own LGSs. Wouldn't be surprised If we got Shadowborn Apostle as a Secret Lair instead of a Masters set or supplementary set reprint given we now have Persistent Petitioners as a Secret Lair. The problem with these Masters or supplementary sets is that Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro are only able to release them once a year but with Secret Lairs they can release them anytime they want without the cards affecting Standard while mostly being legal in all eternal formats.
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"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
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"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
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Really seems like If you're wanting good reprints in Paper Magic nowadays then Secret Lairs are the only real way to go for now on which is unfortunate for those who want to support their own LGSs. Wouldn't be surprised If we got Shadowborn Apostle as a Secret Lair instead of a Masters set or supplementary set reprint given we now have Persistent Petitioners as a Secret Lair. The problem with these Masters or supplementary sets is that Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro are only able to release them once a year but with Secret Lairs they can release them anytime they want without the cards affecting Standard while mostly being legal in all eternal formats.
Have they replaced other reprint sets with SLs? Seems to me SLs just inject MORE reprints into the market. And as I've mentioned before--every LGS I've been to in the last year is reselling SLs, so if you're down to pay a little more you can still support your LGS. Petitioners and Apostle are super niche, and are only worth what they are because the handful of people who want them want a ton, so I don't consider them necessary reprints.
Also not sure where you're getting that they only release masters/supplemental products once per year. In about the last year, we've had Commander Legends, the rerelease of the Mystery Boosters, Modern Horizons 2, Time Spiral Remastered, Commander Collection: Green, Signature Spellbook: Chandra, a ton of Commander decks, Pioneer and Standard Challenger decks, and it's not like there's NO reprints in Standard sets.
I'm still very much on Team Secret Lair. I just buy the ones I like and ignore the others.
Have they replaced other reprint sets with SLs? Seems to me SLs just inject MORE reprints into the market. And as I've mentioned before--every LGS I've been to in the last year is reselling SLs, so if you're down to pay a little more you can still support your LGS. Petitioners and Apostle are super niche, and are only worth what they are because the handful of people who want them want a ton, so I don't consider them necessary reprints.
Also not sure where you're getting that they only release masters/supplemental products once per year. In about the last year, we've had Commander Legends, the rerelease of the Mystery Boosters, Modern Horizons 2, Time Spiral Remastered, Commander Collection: Green, Signature Spellbook: Chandra, a ton of Commander decks, Pioneer and Standard Challenger decks, and it's not like there's NO reprints in Standard sets.
I'm still very much on Team Secret Lair. I just buy the ones I like and ignore the others.
The problem with Local Game Stores (LGSs) reselling Secret Lairs is that most of them are either from drops that are less popular or failed to be purchased through the limited online window that Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro has setup on the official website where you can order Secret Lair drops. They also created a scenario where Local Game Stores (LGSs) are forced to order these Secret Lair drops online through eBay / Amazon therefore losing money in hopes of recouping the losses, or hope that their local distributor will be able to get some in stock so they're intentionally lowering the amount of supply for these Secret Lair drops to increase demand for them. So If you're hoping your LGS will get in a specific Secret Lair chances are you're never going to get it unless you buy it directly online and sadly that's just how things are right now.
As for the supplementary products you mentioned yes we did get lots of good reprints but the reason why they didn't add as much was because it would've made the products more expensive to purchase to justify it's market value within the MTG Secondary Market. Most Secret Lair drops normally have a $40+ price tag to justify the cards they reprint and when they hire old school artists like Dan Frazier or Rebecca Guay to illustrate the cards for these high-end reprints it adds to the monetary value of these products as well. This is why we're forced to settle for bad art on good reprints for Standard and supplementary sets solely so that the original printings appreciate in value more. The Great Reset caused by the pandemic has literally given Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro the green light to bankrupt over 3,000 LGSs nationwide solely to sell Secret Lair drops to increase Hasbro's profit margins.
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"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
The Great Reset caused by the pandemic has literally given Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro the green light to bankrupt over 3,000 LGSs nationwide solely to sell Secret Lair drops to increase Hasbro's profit margins.
Can you provide any evidence that over 3,000 LGSs have been bankrupted by WotC printing Secret Lairs?
Have they replaced other reprint sets with SLs? Seems to me SLs just inject MORE reprints into the market. And as I've mentioned before--every LGS I've been to in the last year is reselling SLs, so if you're down to pay a little more you can still support your LGS. Petitioners and Apostle are super niche, and are only worth what they are because the handful of people who want them want a ton, so I don't consider them necessary reprints.
Also not sure where you're getting that they only release masters/supplemental products once per year. In about the last year, we've had Commander Legends, the rerelease of the Mystery Boosters, Modern Horizons 2, Time Spiral Remastered, Commander Collection: Green, Signature Spellbook: Chandra, a ton of Commander decks, Pioneer and Standard Challenger decks, and it's not like there's NO reprints in Standard sets.
I'm still very much on Team Secret Lair. I just buy the ones I like and ignore the others.
The problem with Local Game Stores (LGSs) reselling Secret Lairs is that most of them are either from drops that are less popular or failed to be purchased through the limited online window that Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro has setup on the official website where you can order Secret Lair drops. They also created a scenario where Local Game Stores (LGSs) are forced to order these Secret Lair drops online through eBay / Amazon therefore losing money in hopes of recouping the losses, or hope that their local distributor will be able to get some in stock so they're intentionally lowering the amount of supply for these Secret Lair drops to increase demand for them. So If you're hoping your LGS will get in a specific Secret Lair chances are you're never going to get it unless you buy it directly online and sadly that's just how things are right now.
Or... the LGS can also order Secret Lairs during the window of time they can be ordered from the website? Why is there always a weird conspiracy theory when the simple explanation is there?
Have they replaced other reprint sets with SLs? Seems to me SLs just inject MORE reprints into the market. And as I've mentioned before--every LGS I've been to in the last year is reselling SLs, so if you're down to pay a little more you can still support your LGS. Petitioners and Apostle are super niche, and are only worth what they are because the handful of people who want them want a ton, so I don't consider them necessary reprints.
Also not sure where you're getting that they only release masters/supplemental products once per year. In about the last year, we've had Commander Legends, the rerelease of the Mystery Boosters, Modern Horizons 2, Time Spiral Remastered, Commander Collection: Green, Signature Spellbook: Chandra, a ton of Commander decks, Pioneer and Standard Challenger decks, and it's not like there's NO reprints in Standard sets.
I'm still very much on Team Secret Lair. I just buy the ones I like and ignore the others.
The problem with Local Game Stores (LGSs) reselling Secret Lairs is that most of them are either from drops that are less popular or failed to be purchased through the limited online window that Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro has setup on the official website where you can order Secret Lair drops. They also created a scenario where Local Game Stores (LGSs) are forced to order these Secret Lair drops online through eBay / Amazon therefore losing money in hopes of recouping the losses, or hope that their local distributor will be able to get some in stock so they're intentionally lowering the amount of supply for these Secret Lair drops to increase demand for them. So If you're hoping your LGS will get in a specific Secret Lair chances are you're never going to get it unless you buy it directly online and sadly that's just how things are right now.
As for the supplementary products you mentioned yes we did get lots of good reprints but the reason why they didn't add as much was because it would've made the products more expensive to purchase to justify it's market value within the MTG Secondary Market. Most Secret Lair drops normally have a $40+ price tag to justify the cards they reprint and when they hire old school artists like Dan Frazier or Rebecca Guay to illustrate the cards for these high-end reprints it adds to the monetary value of these products as well. This is why we're forced to settle for bad art on good reprints for Standard and supplementary sets solely so that the original printings appreciate in value more. The Great Reset caused by the pandemic has literally given Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro the green light to bankrupt over 3,000 LGSs nationwide solely to sell Secret Lair drops to increase Hasbro's profit margins.
can we get some citations on that 3,000 lgs figure?
also your lgs can do what most of them do and you know, just buy the product in quantities greater than zero during the window where everyone can buy it. after that point its the same as any other out of print product. no conspiracy here.
It's pretty wild that people think they SLs were created by Hasbro to kill the LGS during the pandemic when Secret Lairs were created before it? Not saying they aren't tapping into that market, but they definitely didn't do it to kill them during the pandemic. Lol
Just because you hate SLs doesn't mean that there's some grand conspiracy going on.
Hadn't seen this posted anywhere yet. It came as an extra in Teferi's Time Trouble: purchased 4 and received it and 3x of the Jumpstart archeology island.
Guess I gotta hope its a x/100 in my Teferi Time Trouble.
Was hoping it was a card still on the theme of the Lair. That persistent petitioners looks like a double masters box topper
Been on this forum for 10++ years
Playing since '94
How many copies of the card are in a typical petitioner deck? That’s likely the number of different versions we’ll see appearing in secret lairs…
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Have they replaced other reprint sets with SLs? Seems to me SLs just inject MORE reprints into the market. And as I've mentioned before--every LGS I've been to in the last year is reselling SLs, so if you're down to pay a little more you can still support your LGS. Petitioners and Apostle are super niche, and are only worth what they are because the handful of people who want them want a ton, so I don't consider them necessary reprints.
Also not sure where you're getting that they only release masters/supplemental products once per year. In about the last year, we've had Commander Legends, the rerelease of the Mystery Boosters, Modern Horizons 2, Time Spiral Remastered, Commander Collection: Green, Signature Spellbook: Chandra, a ton of Commander decks, Pioneer and Standard Challenger decks, and it's not like there's NO reprints in Standard sets.
I'm still very much on Team Secret Lair. I just buy the ones I like and ignore the others.
As for the supplementary products you mentioned yes we did get lots of good reprints but the reason why they didn't add as much was because it would've made the products more expensive to purchase to justify it's market value within the MTG Secondary Market. Most Secret Lair drops normally have a $40+ price tag to justify the cards they reprint and when they hire old school artists like Dan Frazier or Rebecca Guay to illustrate the cards for these high-end reprints it adds to the monetary value of these products as well. This is why we're forced to settle for bad art on good reprints for Standard and supplementary sets solely so that the original printings appreciate in value more. The Great Reset caused by the pandemic has literally given Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro the green light to bankrupt over 3,000 LGSs nationwide solely to sell Secret Lair drops to increase Hasbro's profit margins.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Can you provide any evidence that over 3,000 LGSs have been bankrupted by WotC printing Secret Lairs?
can we get some citations on that 3,000 lgs figure?
also your lgs can do what most of them do and you know, just buy the product in quantities greater than zero during the window where everyone can buy it. after that point its the same as any other out of print product. no conspiracy here.
Just because you hate SLs doesn't mean that there's some grand conspiracy going on.
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