earlier they mentioned arena is doing a short event on arena called “mirror mirror” which is a event of major errata of some iconic banned cards so they are more fair now we see them for are selves.
Teferi actually got a HIGHER loyalty as well. 4 -> 5
Some of them are very bad now. Fields is still solid though I think. Teferi is quite a bit worse: Against agro, you can't bounce 2 drop on the play (since 3 drop will then kill him). Against control, they can at least counter him now.
they should show Garruk Wildspeaker to whoever thought that untapping 2 lands at EoT is a good ability
or maybe just compare that effect to the + ability of Teferi, Hero of Dominaria
Teferi, Time Raveler and Fires of Invetion for 1 mana more are likely still broken.
Omnath with scry 1 instead of cantrip is very likely still on the broken side as well.
Nexus of fate is a lazy overnerf transforming it into a really bad Alrund's Epiphany
Are they testing waters to erata cards rather than banning them?
It would not surprise me one bit.
With Magic being played more online than ever before, functional errata makes more and more sense.
I'm sure WotC doesn't enjoy paying the salaries for an entire development team only to have that team be completely outsmarted by the player base before sets are even released, time and again, and subsequently have their hands tied, unable to fix the problems they missed.
How many more packs would they have sold if Oko had gotten errata instead of the hammer? Omnath? Quite a few, I'd bet.
And let's be honest, they HAVE been releasing functional errata. The companion nerf and the Phyrexian creature type update both change the functionality of printed cards. You can split hairs and say it's not, but I disagree.
Are they testing waters to erata cards rather than banning them?
It would not surprise me one bit.
With Magic being played more online than ever before, functional errata makes more and more sense.
I'm sure WotC doesn't enjoy paying the salaries for an entire development team only to have that team be completely outsmarted by the player base before sets are even released, time and again, and subsequently have their hands tied, unable to fix the problems they missed.
How many more packs would they have sold if Oko had gotten errata instead of the hammer? Omnath? Quite a few, I'd bet.
And let's be honest, they HAVE been releasing functional errata. The companion nerf and the Phyrexian creature type update both change the functionality of printed cards. You can split hairs and say it's not, but I disagree.
There are plenty of concerns about this. Transferring that digital errata over to physical cards would cause a lot of grief (I imagine that blink players wouldn't like losing agent of treachery as a payoff, for example). If the errata allows cards to be unbanned in standard in just the digital client, we end up with two (even more) divergent standard metas.
What I am hoping for as a "best-case scenario" is that when Wizards bans a card in standard, they will not ban it in historic but make a nerfed version available for just that format instead. The upcoming event seems to be a historic event, after all, and having a different variant of cards for the purely digital format of historic would likely have the least risk of "splashback".
With that being said, Omnath, Locus of Creation's teammate selection has been nerfed enough that I'd rather keep current No Black Omnath in Modern.
I suspect Field of the Dead is still broken in Historic, even with that nerf. In Modern, one Field of the Dead was all it took to wreak havoc, and who cares that the Zombies ETB tapped when the Zombies just keep coming? Nah, I believe that version of FotD would get banned in Modern, too.
I'm unsure about whether Uro has been banned just enough or is still too broken to stay. The lack of ramp will turn off several decks that otherwise want the additional land drops early, but Uro will still be a painfully annoying, life gaining, card drawing win con that even Oko has to dance carefully around.
With that being said, Omnath, Locus of Creation's teammate selection has been nerfed enough that I'd rather keep current No Black Omnath in Modern.
I suspect Field of the Dead is still broken in Historic, even with that nerf. In Modern, one Field of the Dead was all it took to wreak havoc, and who cares that the Zombies ETB tapped when the Zombies just keep coming? Nah, I believe that version of FotD would get banned in Modern, too.
I'm unsure about whether Uro has been banned just enough or is still too broken to stay. The lack of ramp will turn off several decks that otherwise want the additional land drops early, but Uro will still be a painfully annoying, life gaining, card drawing win con that even Oko has to dance carefully around.
I don't think this Oko would be modern playable.
-2 to Elk seems quite heavy because a 3/3 is still a relevant body.
The companion nerf and the Phyrexian creature type update both change the functionality of printed cards. You can split hairs and say it's not, but I disagree.
You make it sound like it is new. The grand creature type update in 2007 changed the type of 1167 creatures and there have been many other changes before and since. There were also other functional changes (apart from creature types) over the years, e.g. Oboro Envoy is quite nasty as printed but is a lot worse with its update. Heck, Orcish Oriflamme had one between Alpha and Beta! That said, I do agree that the companion fix was very much a big functional change which does suggest that they are more ok with it.
Companion was a change to a whole mechanic, though. That happens a lot more easily than powerlevel errata to a single card. Lifelink, deathtouch, proliferate, cascade, and split cards all work significantly differently than when they were printed. It's also easier to remember "this is how Companion works now" than powerlevel errata to 10 separate and unrelated cards. Don't get me wrong, using mechanic errata for powerlevel purposes is a big change in policy and a major threshold to cross, but implementing Mirror Mirror style errata in paper is a much, much bigger threshold. There's no guarantee Wizards will ever go that far.
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
Companion was a change to a whole mechanic, though. That happens a lot more easily than powerlevel errata to a single card. Lifelink, deathtouch, proliferate, cascade, and split cards all work significantly differently than when they were printed. It's also easier to remember "this is how Companion works now" than powerlevel errata to 10 separate and unrelated cards. Don't get me wrong, using mechanic errata for powerlevel purposes is a big change in policy and a major threshold to cross, but implementing Mirror Mirror style errata in paper is a much, much bigger threshold. There's no guarantee Wizards will ever go that far.
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
I honestly can't see these functional errata being applied to physical cards or other formats
Agent of Treachery and Uro definitely need to remain as is for Commander (or any singleton format)
Does anybody even play Historic on paper?
Who wants their all-star cards (for other formats) weakened to the point of non-viability after having invested in their inflated market value costs based on the way they were printed to be played as is? It's like a bait and switch. Why should we accept being sold cards under false pretenses when Wizards can simply correct the issues incrementally be releasing answers in the form of better removal, countermagic, or "hate bears"?
Quite frankly, what they did to correct companions was a disaster.
If anything, the mana cost should have been increased by 1, not 2.
Anyone who bought those singles from LGSs so they could play with said cards as is should've been offered a full refund as soon as the cards were subsequently weakened/ Why should you or I not be able to play with our cards as printed because some players complained or didn't know how to sideboard against them, or build counter-meta decks to handle those popular archtypes more easily? How is that fair to the innocent loyal consumer?
Even orcish oriflamme should never have been reprinted with an increased CMC way back in the day.
Was it even "broken" at 1R? What creatures were people attacking with which were so devastating that it needed change?
Ever since it was increased by 2 mana it hasn't even been playable, forget about being even remotely competitive, especially now that they reverted back to the original cost with Goblin Oriflamme which essentially is an admission of their mistake applying an errata which was obviously never needed
If they ever decide to give something like this a go in paper magic, I could see a mail-in program where you can send WotC your cards and they will send you back the new versions. Perhaps they can send stores copies of the 'fixed' cards for players to exchange for their old versions.
It's a bit of a slippery slope, but there are ways to execute this.
Honestly I think Uro should have more closely mirrored Kroxa, Titan of Death’s Hunger by having it reveal the top card of the player’s library on etb & attack. If the revealed card is a land they gain 3 life (if the revealed card is a nonland they don’t gain life) then they put the revealed card in hand (no ramping). Also I think both Kroxa and Uro could have had an escape exile cost of 6 or even 7 cards.
If they ever decide to give something like this a go in paper magic, I could see a mail-in program where you can send WotC your cards and they will send you back the new versions. Perhaps they can send stores copies of the 'fixed' cards for players to exchange for their old versions.
That is way too much of a logistical challenge that Wizards wouldn't want to waste their money on to set up. More likely, they make the text change in Gatherer and make an errata/text change announcement. When they print new versions of the cards in future product, they will have new text.
A couple of these likely got a bit far with nerfing, but the real issue is not the cards themselves, though that is part of it, but the playtest & design teams letting things like this through and pushing the envelope far too much since around War of the Spark, we had two years of constant power creep and all of these cards were let through on purpose.
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earlier they mentioned arena is doing a short event on arena called “mirror mirror” which is a event of major errata of some iconic banned cards so they are more fair now we see them for are selves.
agent of treachery
Nerf - now it ETB only triggers if you cast it from your hand like Zacama, Primal Calamity for example
Field of the dead
Nerf - it’s now legendary and the zombies enter tapped
Fires of Invention
Nerf - was 3R now it’s 3RR
nexus of fate
Nerf - it exiles itself instead of shuffling into the library
Oko, Thief of Crowns
Nerf - the food token ability is only +1 instead of +2 and the turn into elk ability is -2 instead of +1
Omnath, Locus of Creation
Nerf - the ETB is Scry 1 instead of draw 1
Once Upon a Time
Nerf - it’s 1 instead of 0 cmc for the very first spell cast
Teferi, Time Raveler
Nerf - was 1WU now it’s 2WU
Uro, Titan of Nature’s Wrath
Nerf - it lost the “you may put a land into play” part so your not allowed to put a land into play with Uro
Veil of Summer
Nerf - was G now it’s 1G
Wilderness Reclamation
Nerf - only 2 lands untap instead of all of them.
Winota, Joiner of Forces
Nerf - only four cards from attack trigger instead of 6
might thoughts
wow Those are much better for almost all of them.
The only ones I can say the got it wrong to me is Wilderness Reclamation I would do more than 2 lands
and pretty much the no change but cmc increases could be higher teferi could be 4WU for more fair and 3RRR for fires and 2G for summer
Some of them are very bad now. Fields is still solid though I think. Teferi is quite a bit worse: Against agro, you can't bounce 2 drop on the play (since 3 drop will then kill him). Against control, they can at least counter him now.
I think it's hilarious just how much they had to nerf Oko.
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the nerfed Wilderness Reclamation is complete utter garbage.
they should show Garruk Wildspeaker to whoever thought that untapping 2 lands at EoT is a good ability
or maybe just compare that effect to the + ability of Teferi, Hero of Dominaria
Teferi, Time Raveler and Fires of Invetion for 1 mana more are likely still broken.
Omnath with scry 1 instead of cantrip is very likely still on the broken side as well.
Nexus of fate is a lazy overnerf transforming it into a really bad Alrund's Epiphany
everything else seems like good rebalance.
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With Magic being played more online than ever before, functional errata makes more and more sense.
I'm sure WotC doesn't enjoy paying the salaries for an entire development team only to have that team be completely outsmarted by the player base before sets are even released, time and again, and subsequently have their hands tied, unable to fix the problems they missed.
How many more packs would they have sold if Oko had gotten errata instead of the hammer? Omnath? Quite a few, I'd bet.
And let's be honest, they HAVE been releasing functional errata. The companion nerf and the Phyrexian creature type update both change the functionality of printed cards. You can split hairs and say it's not, but I disagree.
There are plenty of concerns about this. Transferring that digital errata over to physical cards would cause a lot of grief (I imagine that blink players wouldn't like losing agent of treachery as a payoff, for example). If the errata allows cards to be unbanned in standard in just the digital client, we end up with two (even more) divergent standard metas.
What I am hoping for as a "best-case scenario" is that when Wizards bans a card in standard, they will not ban it in historic but make a nerfed version available for just that format instead. The upcoming event seems to be a historic event, after all, and having a different variant of cards for the purely digital format of historic would likely have the least risk of "splashback".
With that being said, Omnath, Locus of Creation's teammate selection has been nerfed enough that I'd rather keep current No Black Omnath in Modern.
I suspect Field of the Dead is still broken in Historic, even with that nerf. In Modern, one Field of the Dead was all it took to wreak havoc, and who cares that the Zombies ETB tapped when the Zombies just keep coming? Nah, I believe that version of FotD would get banned in Modern, too.
I'm unsure about whether Uro has been banned just enough or is still too broken to stay. The lack of ramp will turn off several decks that otherwise want the additional land drops early, but Uro will still be a painfully annoying, life gaining, card drawing win con that even Oko has to dance carefully around.
I don't think this Oko would be modern playable.
-2 to Elk seems quite heavy because a 3/3 is still a relevant body.
it could be a nice sideboard tool, still.
You make it sound like it is new. The grand creature type update in 2007 changed the type of 1167 creatures and there have been many other changes before and since. There were also other functional changes (apart from creature types) over the years, e.g. Oboro Envoy is quite nasty as printed but is a lot worse with its update. Heck, Orcish Oriflamme had one between Alpha and Beta! That said, I do agree that the companion fix was very much a big functional change which does suggest that they are more ok with it.
Agent of Treachery and Uro definitely need to remain as is for Commander (or any singleton format)
Does anybody even play Historic on paper?
Who wants their all-star cards (for other formats) weakened to the point of non-viability after having invested in their inflated market value costs based on the way they were printed to be played as is? It's like a bait and switch. Why should we accept being sold cards under false pretenses when Wizards can simply correct the issues incrementally be releasing answers in the form of better removal, countermagic, or "hate bears"?
Quite frankly, what they did to correct companions was a disaster.
If anything, the mana cost should have been increased by 1, not 2.
Anyone who bought those singles from LGSs so they could play with said cards as is should've been offered a full refund as soon as the cards were subsequently weakened/ Why should you or I not be able to play with our cards as printed because some players complained or didn't know how to sideboard against them, or build counter-meta decks to handle those popular archtypes more easily? How is that fair to the innocent loyal consumer?
Even orcish oriflamme should never have been reprinted with an increased CMC way back in the day.
Was it even "broken" at 1R? What creatures were people attacking with which were so devastating that it needed change?
Ever since it was increased by 2 mana it hasn't even been playable, forget about being even remotely competitive, especially now that they reverted back to the original cost with Goblin Oriflamme which essentially is an admission of their mistake applying an errata which was obviously never needed
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It's a bit of a slippery slope, but there are ways to execute this.
That is way too much of a logistical challenge that Wizards wouldn't want to waste their money on to set up. More likely, they make the text change in Gatherer and make an errata/text change announcement. When they print new versions of the cards in future product, they will have new text.