Want to clarify that the important distinction is whether the ability is setting or defining the P/T and not just modifying P/T. Abilities that set P/T such as Tarmogoyf are always active, but abilities like Shanna, Sisay's Legacy are not.
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Clearly number 1 thought for this is Soul of Eternity you pretty much create storm herd with either one but it’s birds.
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Nope, the ability that defines the power and/or toughness of */* creatures works in all zones, not just on the battlefield.
Only if its a 0/0 that gets some kind of +1/+1 counters, then its just a 0/0.
*/* cards however have their p/t in all zones (thats a rule that changed over time).
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