The question that remains is: Will they become historic legal? because having stuff like Demonic Tutor and Swords to Plowshares and likely Brainstorm, Lightning Bolt, Counterspell and other stuff at this level would VASTLY change the format.
Considering that the invocation/masterpiece "legacy reprint" cards were never made legal in the modern and standard formats I seriously doubt they would make these reprints historic legal.
As for the colleges, I feel liek Quandrix is the only one that works well. Fractals and math make sense as a "subject" (since that is what they appear to be going for). Lorehold also works somewhat but an archeology based organisation that's bound to one lcoation is really awkward. Prismari doesn't jive well for me in a Magic setting (what use is there for performance art? Unless the plane of Strixhaven is Ravnica-like). Silverquill appears to be closer to a "clique"-based grouping than a subject based one, similar to the houses in Harry Potter? And Witherbloom is literally just Golgari, lol.
Also, Lorehold has the only good motto. What the hell is "Express yourself with the elements." supposed to be. That's an awful motto that means literally nothing.
You sound like one of those people who think universities shouldn't teach art because it has "no value in the real world."
I think Prismari works fine, there's no reason for a branch of a school to fill a super pressing societal need. And I reckon that when you're doing "art" with fireballs and blasts of ice, you can still hold yourself pretty well in a fight. I do agree on the motto though, it sucks.
I mean, most Magic settings tend to be fairly survivalist to some degree with monsters and evil necromancers trying to kill everyone and stuff. Which is why I said that the Prismari only really make sense if the world of Strixhaven is a world with less conflict, a bit like Ravnica.
Even then, it's odd to make an entire college not just about art but performance art? It's just so hyper specialized. If it was art only, I could be like "Okay maaaayyybe", though really why couldn't they have given each college a broader subject. Why is Prismari not about elemental summons in general with a leaning towards artistic applications but not exclusively? Silverquill could have similarly been the "philosophy/politics" college. It's just really weird to me to base the foundation of each college in a Magic School setting not on school things (Silverquill, Witherbloom) or narrow them down too much (like Prismari).
The question that remains is: Will they become historic legal? because having stuff like Demonic Tutor and Swords to Plowshares and likely Brainstorm, Lightning Bolt, Counterspell and other stuff at this level would VASTLY change the format.
Considering that the invocation/masterpiece "legacy reprint" cards were never made legal in the modern and standard formats I seriously doubt they would make these reprints historic legal.
P.S. Swords to Plowshares and Demonic Tutor will not be legal in Historic. Opt, and most of the 63 Mystical Archive cards will be!
This saids otherwise
well.... so most of them will be cards that already exist in historic?
maybe we get some "new" ones that become legal as well.
it's actually a partial answer hahah because they have confirmed that "Opt" will be legal, but, hell, Opt is already legal.
I'd expect more of a Jumpstart style solution where they simply don't put cards into Historic if they think they'd be too good. If, say, they put in Cyclonic Rift, it'd probably be no problem for Historic, but Lightning Bolt is probably still too good.
Edit: to clarify, I don't mean exactly like Jumpstart, since changing the cards entirely would have a substantial impact on limited formats.
As for the colleges, I feel liek Quandrix is the only one that works well. Fractals and math make sense as a "subject" (since that is what they appear to be going for). Lorehold also works somewhat but an archeology based organisation that's bound to one lcoation is really awkward. Prismari doesn't jive well for me in a Magic setting (what use is there for performance art? Unless the plane of Strixhaven is Ravnica-like). Silverquill appears to be closer to a "clique"-based grouping than a subject based one, similar to the houses in Harry Potter? And Witherbloom is literally just Golgari, lol.
Also, Lorehold has the only good motto. What the hell is "Express yourself with the elements." supposed to be. That's an awful motto that means literally nothing.
You sound like one of those people who think universities shouldn't teach art because it has "no value in the real world."
I think Prismari works fine, there's no reason for a branch of a school to fill a super pressing societal need. And I reckon that when you're doing "art" with fireballs and blasts of ice, you can still hold yourself pretty well in a fight. I do agree on the motto though, it sucks.
I mean, most Magic settings tend to be fairly survivalist to some degree with monsters and evil necromancers trying to kill everyone and stuff. Which is why I said that the Prismari only really make sense if the world of Strixhaven is a world with less conflict, a bit like Ravnica.
Even then, it's odd to make an entire college not just about art but performance art? It's just so hyper specialized. If it was art only, I could be like "Okay maaaayyybe", though really why couldn't they have given each college a broader subject. Why is Prismari not about elemental summons in general with a leaning towards artistic applications but not exclusively? Silverquill could have similarly been the "philosophy/politics" college. It's just really weird to me to base the foundation of each college in a Magic School setting not on school things (Silverquill, Witherbloom) or narrow them down too much (like Prismari).
What? Silverquill is language arts (more the elementary school type where they make you write short stories, though some elements of making you write articles and essays are still there) and Witherbloom is (rather blatantly Golgari) biology. Those are totally school subjects.
It is a bit refreshing to see "magic school" primarily try to teach you mundane subjects, at least this once. Definitely distinguishes Strixhaven from those literary magic schools (or that X-Men school).
You want to give stereotypical Magic players nightmares?
Hey hey hey, I was one of those dweebs who got picked last in gym. When I grew older, I liked Gym Class because it was an extra recess of some sort. When I played sports, I had no idea what I was doing, or any of the fundamental mechanics on how to do sport things. It was only 10 years after graduating high school that I understood positioning and teamwork in sports. Before that, I just followed the ball. I'm one of those lames that get afraid of getting hit in the face by the ball, or getting hurt. Because of that, and still to this day, all I do is watch sports, not play them, and if I did, I'd be heaving because I am so out of shape.
I remember when I played softball in gym class. My school separated the more athletically gifted kids from the non-athletically gifted. I was in the latter. I liked playing outfield, because the batters could never hit the ball, or if they did, they'd be ground balls that never went to the outfield, so all I did was sit there and do nothing but pick at the grass.
So, does this mean that all who attend the colleges in strixhaven are all out of shape?
Here's a question: is Strixhaven the name of the school? If so, we don't actually know the name of the plane? Or is the plane named after the school itself?
Here's a question: is Strixhaven the name of the school? If so, we don't actually know the name of the plane? Or is the plane named after the school itself?
The first post says “Arcavios” if I recall right, so I presume that’s the plane.
Here's a question: is Strixhaven the name of the school? If so, we don't actually know the name of the plane? Or is the plane named after the school itself?
I believe that makes this the first standard expansion set since Tempest (Rath) to take place on a new plane without being named after the plane itself.
I believe that makes this the first standard expansion set since Tempest (Rath) to take place on a new plane without being named after the plane itself.
Are you referring to just recent times, like since they went to the one block Standard?
Because Dragon's Maze and Gatecrash don't refer to the plane.
Or, are you just counting the first block of a set?
I believe that makes this the first standard expansion set since Tempest (Rath) to take place on a new plane without being named after the plane itself.
Are you referring to just recent times, like since they went to the one block Standard?
Because Dragon's Maze and Gatecrash don't refer to the plane.
Or, are you just counting the first block of a set?
So.... the 5 face commander will be the 5 founder elder dragons?
maybe. But the thing is they said the face commanders reveal secrets about strixhaven
plus it wouldn't shock me the elder dragons are in the standard set
After what Maro said and the fact they are recurring characters on multiple images, i think that the 5 guys on the booster are legendary and are the house directors or something like that.
My bet is still on the elder dragons founders for the commander decks
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I believe that makes this the first standard expansion set since Tempest (Rath) to take place on a new plane without being named after the plane itself.
Are you referring to just recent times, like since they went to the one block Standard?
Because Dragon's Maze and Gatecrash don't refer to the plane.
Or, are you just counting the first block of a set?
As was noted by the response after yours, those were not taking place on a new plane.
Expansion sets taking place primarily on a new plane not yet visited in a previous expansion set:
Arabian Nights - Rabiah
Antiquities - Dominaria (with a sprinkle of Phyrexia)
Homelands - Ulgrotha
Tempest - Rath
Mercadian Masques - Mercadia
Mirrodin - Mirrodin
Champions of Kamigawa - Kamigawa
Ravnica: City of Guilds - Ravnica
Lorwyn - Lorwyn
Shards of Alara - Alara
Zendikar - Zendikar
Innistrad - Innistrad
Theros - Theros
Khans of Tarkir - Tarkir
Kaladesh - Kaladesh
Amonkhet - Amonkhet
Ixalan - Ixalan
Throne of Eldraine - Eldraine
Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths - Ikoria
Kaldheim - Kaldheim
Strixhaven - Arcavios
Using this experience as a reference, if I had just seen the term 'mana cost x', I think that would have been pretty self-evident too.
"Mana cost" already has a meaning, which includes colour: Swords to Plowshares has a mana cost of W, but a mana value of 1. Having one term to mean two different things would have been confusing.
I believe that makes this the first standard expansion set since Tempest (Rath) to take place on a new plane without being named after the plane itself.
Are you referring to just recent times, like since they went to the one block Standard?
Because Dragon's Maze and Gatecrash don't refer to the plane.
Or, are you just counting the first block of a set?
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
Going by previous standards, I imagine 3 unique mythical per deck, 15 unique rares per deck, one uncommon per color that each appear in multiple decks, and a colorless/land common for all decks.
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
I suppose your right, but it also depends on how much influence the Elder Dragons still have in the school. If they're dead and gone from ages ago, perhaps they might not show up in the standard set.
This is very interesting. I wonder if this will tie in mechanically, (probably in the form of DFCs, let's be honest, because WotC is obsessed with them lately), or if it's just flavor to help differentiate them from their Ravnican counterparts.
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
I suppose your right, but it also depends on how much influence the Elder Dragons still have in the school. If they're dead and gone from ages ago, perhaps they might not show up in the standard set.
Fair enough. I definitely hope we see a cycle of them in Strixhaven to match the Dragons of Tarkir cycle along with the commands.
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
I suppose your right, but it also depends on how much influence the Elder Dragons still have in the school. If they're dead and gone from ages ago, perhaps they might not show up in the standard set.
From the article introducing the set
Each of our Colleges was founded by the elder dragon whose name each school bears. Our founders were paragons of magic and knowledge, and each school strives to match its founder's vision and magical aptitudes! We won't be meeting the founders today, but with any amount of luck, they may show up at orientation!
That sounds very much like they are alive and well.
Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
On the other hand they talked about how linking the commander decks to the main set can do some fun ideas such as having Jirina Kudro as the face of the deck and not in the set despite her arguably being the main heroic character in Ikoria.
Also thinking on how people were upset that many of the Elder Dragons in Tarkir where not all made to be commanders coughDragonlord Kolaghancough
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Kind of interesting that they briefly slipped in the fact that the 5 houses were established by "Elder Dragons". They sound like plausible legendary face cards for the on-theme Commander Decks for this set, and probably with some "professors" or unique legendary creatures as the other secondary Commanders for the decks.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
On the other hand they talked about how linking the commander decks to the main set can do some fun ideas such as having Jirina Kudro as the face of the deck and not in the set despite her arguably being the main heroic character in Ikoria.
Also thinking on how people were upset that many of the Elder Dragons in Tarkir where not all made to be commanders coughDragonlord Kolaghancough
dude kolaghan is the only bad one when I comes to commander’s but she’s slowing becoming more useful from those relentless rats and Persistent Petitioners decks in edh and more any number will pop out eventually
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well.... so most of them will be cards that already exist in historic?
maybe we get some "new" ones that become legal as well.
it's actually a partial answer hahah because they have confirmed that "Opt" will be legal, but, hell, Opt is already legal.
I mean, most Magic settings tend to be fairly survivalist to some degree with monsters and evil necromancers trying to kill everyone and stuff. Which is why I said that the Prismari only really make sense if the world of Strixhaven is a world with less conflict, a bit like Ravnica.
Even then, it's odd to make an entire college not just about art but performance art? It's just so hyper specialized. If it was art only, I could be like "Okay maaaayyybe", though really why couldn't they have given each college a broader subject. Why is Prismari not about elemental summons in general with a leaning towards artistic applications but not exclusively? Silverquill could have similarly been the "philosophy/politics" college. It's just really weird to me to base the foundation of each college in a Magic School setting not on school things (Silverquill, Witherbloom) or narrow them down too much (like Prismari).
I'd expect more of a Jumpstart style solution where they simply don't put cards into Historic if they think they'd be too good. If, say, they put in Cyclonic Rift, it'd probably be no problem for Historic, but Lightning Bolt is probably still too good.
Edit: to clarify, I don't mean exactly like Jumpstart, since changing the cards entirely would have a substantial impact on limited formats.
What? Silverquill is language arts (more the elementary school type where they make you write short stories, though some elements of making you write articles and essays are still there) and Witherbloom is (rather blatantly Golgari) biology. Those are totally school subjects.
It is a bit refreshing to see "magic school" primarily try to teach you mundane subjects, at least this once. Definitely distinguishes Strixhaven from those literary magic schools (or that X-Men school).
Hey hey hey, I was one of those dweebs who got picked last in gym. When I grew older, I liked Gym Class because it was an extra recess of some sort. When I played sports, I had no idea what I was doing, or any of the fundamental mechanics on how to do sport things. It was only 10 years after graduating high school that I understood positioning and teamwork in sports. Before that, I just followed the ball. I'm one of those lames that get afraid of getting hit in the face by the ball, or getting hurt. Because of that, and still to this day, all I do is watch sports, not play them, and if I did, I'd be heaving because I am so out of shape.
I remember when I played softball in gym class. My school separated the more athletically gifted kids from the non-athletically gifted. I was in the latter. I liked playing outfield, because the batters could never hit the ball, or if they did, they'd be ground balls that never went to the outfield, so all I did was sit there and do nothing but pick at the grass.
So, does this mean that all who attend the colleges in strixhaven are all out of shape?
The first post says “Arcavios” if I recall right, so I presume that’s the plane.
Strixhaven is the school, Arcavios is the plane.
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Are you referring to just recent times, like since they went to the one block Standard?
Because Dragon's Maze and Gatecrash don't refer to the plane.
Or, are you just counting the first block of a set?
After what Maro said and the fact they are recurring characters on multiple images, i think that the 5 guys on the booster are legendary and are the house directors or something like that.
My bet is still on the elder dragons founders for the commander decks
As was noted by the response after yours, those were not taking place on a new plane.
Expansion sets taking place primarily on a new plane not yet visited in a previous expansion set:
Arabian Nights - Rabiah
Antiquities - Dominaria (with a sprinkle of Phyrexia)
Homelands - Ulgrotha
Tempest - Rath
Mercadian Masques - Mercadia
Mirrodin - Mirrodin
Champions of Kamigawa - Kamigawa
Ravnica: City of Guilds - Ravnica
Lorwyn - Lorwyn
Shards of Alara - Alara
Zendikar - Zendikar
Innistrad - Innistrad
Theros - Theros
Khans of Tarkir - Tarkir
Kaladesh - Kaladesh
Amonkhet - Amonkhet
Ixalan - Ixalan
Throne of Eldraine - Eldraine
Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths - Ikoria
Kaldheim - Kaldheim
Strixhaven - Arcavios
"Mana cost" already has a meaning, which includes colour: Swords to Plowshares has a mana cost of W, but a mana value of 1. Having one term to mean two different things would have been confusing.
Great point! Thanks for the correction lol.
In addition to this, they also mentioned 81 new cards for the Commander decks! Holy cow. I would guess we probably have approximately 15 new cards per deck, and 6 cards (Probably artifacts and lands) that fit into each deck. I imagine this includes cards from the actual Strixhaven set: these decks feel pretty similar to the Ikoira decks.
Going by previous standards, I imagine 3 unique mythical per deck, 15 unique rares per deck, one uncommon per color that each appear in multiple decks, and a colorless/land common for all decks.
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/643839052451348480/im-very-excited-about-the-colleges-ive-been-big
thats very interesting for references from this
heres what those conflicts look like
WB = group vs. individual
UR = head vs. heart
BG = free will vs. destiny
RW = freedom vs. security
GU = nature vs. nurture
I don't think they'd make a cycle of elder dragon founders for the commander decks, they'd go in the main set for sure. A) because they want to differentiate the commander decks more than that, and B) because non commander players would be disappointed. It'd be like making Ikoria's Apex monsters the C20 commanders.
I suppose your right, but it also depends on how much influence the Elder Dragons still have in the school. If they're dead and gone from ages ago, perhaps they might not show up in the standard set.
This is very interesting. I wonder if this will tie in mechanically, (probably in the form of DFCs, let's be honest, because WotC is obsessed with them lately), or if it's just flavor to help differentiate them from their Ravnican counterparts.
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Fair enough. I definitely hope we see a cycle of them in Strixhaven to match the Dragons of Tarkir cycle along with the commands.
That sounds very much like they are alive and well.
On the other hand they talked about how linking the commander decks to the main set can do some fun ideas such as having Jirina Kudro as the face of the deck and not in the set despite her arguably being the main heroic character in Ikoria.
Also thinking on how people were upset that many of the Elder Dragons in Tarkir where not all made to be commanders coughDragonlord Kolaghancough
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dude kolaghan is the only bad one when I comes to commander’s but she’s slowing becoming more useful from those relentless rats and Persistent Petitioners decks in edh and more any number will pop out eventually