So much woke in Magic: the Gathering where escapism should be at it's peak. Glad to see so many woke people on this forum too. Glad y'all have a place to remind everyone how with it you are. Product is 100% pandering. Could've released this at any time - but it wasn't, it was done now. And that's why it's off. It has nothing to do with the product itself and some of you can't see that. That being said, this is nothing to be surprised about from WOTC.
Magic is absolutely a place for escapism. What your not realizing is that seeing yourself in the characters is a big part of escapism. Black Magic players deserve escapism just as much as you do. Sure, people can see themselves in characters with different skin color from their own, but that just makes your complaint all the more absurd.
In case you guys haven't noticed, Magic is all about pandering. They literally just released a set pandering to Norse mythology fans, then they're going to pander to Harry Potter fans, then D&D fans, then horror fans. How about when they pander to someone who isn't you, you can just, like, not throw a fit?
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
Kaya is my favorite MTG character atm, and I am loving that Teferi is back. it is really nice having people of color represented in MTG.
I just wish there was not the showboating to go with all of it, and that things like this could be done in silence and everyone who makes the game and plays the game not bat an eye about it.
Man what a world that would be.
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This used to be a community that was well moderated and didn't allow stuff like this, much less allow the same people to say the same bigoted stuff over and over with little to no consequences, but that just isn't the case anymore. If anyone can recommend a community withh plenty of discussion that will actually put their foot down when it comes to bigots peddling hate speech left and right, please let me know because I'd like to join.
^^This.
Is MtGNexus any better? I know several of the Reddit communities are a bit of a mixed bag and I'm not sure how I feel about the thread format but there there's gotta be other communities right?
I'll have to check it out and look around. Some of the Reddit threads can be pretty toxic too with pretty lax moderation. I'll look into Nexus and other boards because the constant lobbying for less representation in Magic and bad faith bigotry that pops up every time people on this board see a black person on a card really is driving me away from this website that I've loved for more than a decade.
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So much woke in Magic: the Gathering where escapism should be at it's peak. Glad to see so many woke people on this forum too. Glad y'all have a place to remind everyone how with it you are. Product is 100% pandering. Could've released this at any time - but it wasn't, it was done now. And that's why it's off. It has nothing to do with the product itself and some of you can't see that. That being said, this is nothing to be surprised about from WOTC.
Magic is absolutely a place for escapism. What your not realizing is that seeing yourself in the characters is a big part of escapism. Black Magic players deserve escapism just as much as you do. Sure, people can see themselves in characters with different skin color from their own, but that just makes your complaint all the more absurd.
In case you guys haven't noticed, Magic is all about pandering. They literally just released a set pandering to Norse mythology fans, then they're going to pander to Harry Potter fans, then D&D fans, then horror fans. How about when they pander to someone who isn't you, you can just, like, not throw a fit?
Thank you. I'm glad someone pointed out the obvious so I wouldn't have to.
Blessed is he who has both eyes and vision, and shows the blind how to see.
(or something like that)
Kaya is my favorite MTG character atm, and I am loving that Teferi is back. it is really nice having people of color represented in MTG.
I just wish there was not the showboating to go with all of it, and that things like this could be done in silence and everyone who makes the game and plays the game not bat an eye about it.
Man what a world that would be.
Here's my psychoanalysis...
There are many worlds (and planes) at play, and when some collide, it creates a confusing paradox for certain segments of the player demographic who may suffer from neuroses and have difficulty accepting that WoTC will no longer only pander to the cultural elements, lore, characters, or gameplay mechanics which appeal to them. Suddenly, (perhaps exacerbated by the general frustration some feel during a lengthy ongoing pandemic which offers little if any release valve or outlet for the underlying pent up desire to play live Magic games at events with physical cards,) they feel as though the world(s) to which they escape(d) are now being invaded by an encroaching unwanted force (once again, albeit by something other than Eldrazi or Phyrexians, and perhaps even more frighteningly for them with more regularity). Consequently, they either sincerely lose interest in the product temporarily (understandable and not particularly uncommon), vent their pent up frustration here (because they can't do so by making sarcastic remarks to, or by sharing playful banter with their friends and former adversaries at the LGS during FNM), or feign disinterest because the real or primary reason they're hating on Secret Lair (or any other MTG product) is that not everything in in any player's budget, and obviously, especially during challenging uncertain times, we all have to make cuts (even when deep down we may somewhat like or otherwise want a product). No Magic card is essential for gameplay, let alone for operational security. Sadly, some in the community seemingly also need to emotionally express or justify their passionate dislike for some marketing techniques by hating on such products which don't appeal to them (this is simply a coping mechanism), even though as always, there are products which don't appeal to many consumers, and nobody is forced to buy individual cards, packs, playmats, novelty sleeves, planeswalker bobbleheads, Arena of the Planeswalkers board games, pewter talisman life counters, gift edition bundles, limited edition box sets, or any other Magic product WoTC (or it's licensed affiliates) releases, the same way nobody has to, is encouraged to, or is realistically expected to buy every new limited edition shoe which their favorite shoe company announces and manufactures. Sometimes the shoe fits, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes there's no more room on your shoe rack for another pair, and sometimes you can't afford to keep buying new shoes so often...and by shoes, I mean playsets of cardboard game pieces.
You buy what you like, I buy what I like, and we're all happy
Quite frankly, Secret Lair is a much better product line than some of its closest predecessors, namely: From The Vault (for many reasons)
-FTV had a worse foiling process (Can anybody possibly disagree?)
-Secret Lairs are often available in both foil and non-foil versions
-Secret Lairs contain a free bonus card (Who doesn't like the fun of opening a random planeswalker?)
-Buying multiple Secret Lair Drops at once can get you additional discounts and value (I got a Verdant Catacombs with my Summer Superdrop. Who doesn't need more fetchlands for free? Thank you Wizards!)
-Secret Lairs come out many times throughout the year offering consumers many more options and variance to mix and match the alternate art cards they want for their collections as opposed to only being able to acquire one yearly box set (if they're lucky) containing a larger collection of cards with a particular theme, more than half of which I never wanted or used.
-Secret Lairs are actually priced fairly because they don't each contain as many cards as FTV which always had a huge mark-up above MSRP at most retailers
-Secret Lairs are available directly to the consumer without having to physically travel to a store or line up the day they go on sale as was often the case before, since stores would refuse preorders and always say it was "first come, first served"
-Secret Lairs are also available in multiple quantities to anyone with a credit card (in more countries) who wants playsets of certain alternate arts unlike FTV which was always in very limited supply at stores, a hassle to get, and often sold out the day they were released, sometimes unofficially reserved for "regulars" who weren't even there with cash in hand when stores opened on release days and other interested customers were. At one store (since closed), just buying FTV20 required winning a lottery. Strategically, I had to bring a friend with to increase my odds, and fortunately, they won one of the few available for sale so I didn't go home empty handed. At another, I often argued with store employees on release days who kept them for themselves, opened them to only sell singles, or refused to sell unopened boxes on the shelf for some other reason. Suffice it to say I got several FTVs over the years, but with many headaches along the way, experiences which I'll never forget because they were so ridiculous, and I'm very happy I never have to relive that nonsense again with print runs now being made to order and shipped directly to me, as I always hoped and wanted it to be.
Also, Teferi isn't back. In fact, he never left.
He does however excuse that your linear understanding of space and time might lead you to such a flawed perception or premature conclusion.
How many units do they typically sell with each drop? I'm curious how much this could potentially raise for Black Girls Code (I run a charity so I'm always interested in fundraising capacities, though obviously WotC isn't ding a Secret Lair for me hahaha).
Quite frankly, Secret Lair is a much better product line than some of its closest predecessors, namely: From The Vault (for many reasons)
-FTV had a worse foiling process (Can anybody possibly disagree?)
Have you not seen the foiling of SLs? They are just as bad if not worse. Somehow the extra large commander cards are less bent than SLs.
-Secret Lairs are often available in both foil and non-foil versions
Looking at the wiki that shows that to be false, out of the 33 there have been so far, 14 have only been non foil, 25 have been foil, and only 7 have been both. 7 out of 33 is not what I'd call often, that's only slightly better than a fifth of the time and all of the ones that have been both have been since August, so it's a fairly recent thing.
-Secret Lairs contain a free bonus card (Who doesn't like the fun of opening a random planeswalker?)
-Buying multiple Secret Lair Drops at once can get you additional discounts and value (I got a Verdant Catacombs with my Summer Superdrop. Who doesn't need more fetchlands for free? Thank you Wizards!)
Seems more like they add them in to try and entice you with the possibility of a better box or even to make up the difference between what some of the cards are actually worth and what the box costs. A PW or a fetchland would certainly make me feel better if I paid $30 for 4 Lightning Bolts or that recent mana rock one.
-Secret Lairs come out many times throughout the year offering consumers many more options and variance to mix and match the alternate art cards they want for their collections as opposed to only being able to acquire one yearly box set (if they're lucky) containing a larger collection of cards with a particular theme, more than half of which I never wanted or used.
I'd say that last half could be used against SLs as well, unless the SL is one card, I find I really only care about one card in a bunch. Also, them coming out so frequently is also a negative, it really just drowns you in product and it ends up hard to keep track of everything WotC has been releasing bringing upon fatigue to other products you may actually care more about.
With that said, yes they do add options for "blinging" out your deck if you so choose that, that can't be disputed.
-Secret Lairs are actually priced fairly because they don't each contain as many cards as FTV which always had a huge mark-up above MSRP at most retailers
Depends on which ones. $30 for a playset of Bolt, mana rocks that didn't come close to the price of the box, any of them solely featuring basic lands, the cats one (lol $40), the birds one, fetchland one (HAHAHAHAH $400 HAHAHA) and others there was no reason for them being the price they were.
-Secret Lairs are available directly to the consumer without having to physically travel to a store or line up the day they go on sale as was often the case before, since stores would refuse preorders and always say it was "first come, first served"
They then have to wait incredibly long, some still haven't been shipped, finding their purchase damaged, customer support is at best average, and them not offering it to LGS could also be seen as a bad thing.[/quote]
Kaya is my favorite MTG character atm, and I am loving that Teferi is back. it is really nice having people of color represented in MTG.
I just wish there was not the showboating to go with all of it, and that things like this could be done in silence and everyone who makes the game and plays the game not bat an eye about it.
Man what a world that would be.
It’s Black History Month. Calling this showboating seems exceptionally tone deaf.
Pass. Shalai artwork is nice but I already have my playset of the original. I find the Ponder artwork simplistic, juvenile and unappealing. Personal taste. Maybe the other cards will be better but they usually lead with the good stuff. I've only purchased one Secret Lair from the dozens so far, this won't be the second.
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Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Was Martin Luther King, Jr against gay people because he was religious and a conservative?
He was religious, that's undisputed, but what kind of whacked out history have you read that makes you think he was a conservative?
Another “i m american thus conservative equals republican party” guy? Go read about conservatism (not american conservatism) and read his speachs etc.
Aside from being a preacher and therefore presumably in favor organized religion, what was at all conservative about him? The vast amount of his efforts were in direct opposition to the social structures and institutions of his day. There may exist conservatives who agree with his overall philosophy, but conservatism is not independent of the social structures around a person. A conservative declaring they agree with MLK does not make MLK conservative, heck even the Republican party does that constantly.
And yes, I'm American and that shapes how I view politics. I live in a country that's run by 2 fairly conservative parties, so I tend to think of the more conservative one as "the conservatives," but I'm perfectly capable of understanding what conservatism literally means.
Also, Teferi isn't back. In fact, he never left.
He does however excuse that your linear understanding of space and time might lead you to such a flawed perception or premature conclusion.
He was absent from the story for years lol. He is back in the story, your block of text was WAY too long my man.
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Listen, we've had this conversation already about other products Wizards has released. Everyone on this website is an extreme liberal. Two generations are brainwashed extreme liberals. If you argue against extreme liberalism you will be shouted down. You will be hunted to the point of losing your job or worse. There are all kinds of news stories like that and it's disgusting.
You have to understand the rational arguments are over. Just enjoy the societal collapse. Arguing against the ideology behind this product is a massive waste of time.
In the context of a product available for purchase that you disagree with there is only one solution of not buying the product. Solution: Don't buy the product.
Was Martin Luther King, Jr against gay people because he was religious and a conservative?
He was religious, that's undisputed, but what kind of whacked out history have you read that makes you think he was a conservative?
Another “i m american thus conservative equals republican party” guy? Go read about conservatism (not american conservatism) and read his speachs etc.
Aside from being a preacher and therefore presumably in favor organized religion, what was at all conservative about him? The vast amount of his efforts were in direct opposition to the social structures and institutions of his day. There may exist conservatives who agree with his overall philosophy, but conservatism is not independent of the social structures around a person. A conservative declaring they agree with MLK does not make MLK conservative, heck even the Republican party does that constantly.
And yes, I'm American and that shapes how I view politics. I live in a country that's run by 2 fairly conservative parties, so I tend to think of the more conservative one as "the conservatives," but I'm perfectly capable of understanding what conservatism literally means.
Not to mention MLK was American so it's kind of pointless to try to judge his politics by another country's differing metric. It's either misguided or disingenuous to say MLK wasn't progressive because if he were in another country he might be judged differently. He was involved in influencing American politics first and foremost so he will obviously be referred to in the context he was in.
"But Bernie Sanders is actually a right wing conservative because if he were in Germany he would be" isn't the winning or even relevant argument some may think it is.
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Listen, we've had this conversation already about other products Wizards has released. Everyone on this website is an extreme liberal. Two generations are brainwashed extreme liberals. If you argue against extreme liberalism you will be shouted down. You will be hunted to the point of losing your job or worse. There are all kinds of news stories like that and it's disgusting.
You have to understand the rational arguments are over. Just enjoy the societal collapse. Arguing against the ideology behind this product is a massive waste of time.
In the context of a product available for purchase that you disagree with there is only one solution of not buying the product. Solution: Don't buy the product.
Was Martin Luther King, Jr against gay people because he was religious and a conservative?
He was religious, that's undisputed, but what kind of whacked out history have you read that makes you think he was a conservative?
Another “i m american thus conservative equals republican party” guy? Go read about conservatism (not american conservatism) and read his speachs etc.
Aside from being a preacher and therefore presumably in favor organized religion, what was at all conservative about him? The vast amount of his efforts were in direct opposition to the social structures and institutions of his day. There may exist conservatives who agree with his overall philosophy, but conservatism is not independent of the social structures around a person. A conservative declaring they agree with MLK does not make MLK conservative, heck even the Republican party does that constantly.
And yes, I'm American and that shapes how I view politics. I live in a country that's run by 2 fairly conservative parties, so I tend to think of the more conservative one as "the conservatives," but I'm perfectly capable of understanding what conservatism literally means.
Not to mention MLK was American so it's kind of pointless to try to judge his politics by another country's differing metric. It's either misguided or disingenuous to say MLK wasn't progressive because if he were in another country he might be judged differently. He was involved in influencing American politics first and foremost so he will obviously be referred to in the context he was in.
"But Bernie Sanders is actually a right wing conservative because if he were in Germany he would be" isn't the winning or even relevant argument some may think it is.
At the same time, American politics is skewed so heavily to the right that context is required. The US doesn't have a left wing. They have one outsider who is center-left (Sanders), and a couple people in the center (AOC). But the "left wing" party is center-right, and the right wing party is extreme right. You don't see any actual leftist views, like worker communes or full government control of all essential services to prevent price gouging. But anything left of hunting the homeless for sport is decried as "communist".
As usual people have to act foolish and reveal their prejudices and racial hate whenever a member of a minority group is featured on a Magic card. Remember when Kaya got a Magic card in Kaldheim and that was somehow taken as an invitation to say bigoted things? Just keep it to yourself, guys
There were no bigoted comments then, only ignorant people bending over backwards to find a way to interpret legitimate criticism as bigotry, which is a weak method of dismissing people some are incapable of debating.
This specifically doesn't bother me since it's Black History month, although it's becoming painfully obvious lately that MTG wants to be political, and decidedly liberal. Which is ironically making it feel unwelcome, because if most people are like me, people want media and products independent of something inherently conflicting like politics.
WotC wants to be "liberal" because if they were "conservative" there wouldn't be gay/lesbian/trans characters because those are "sins against Jesus Christ our savior". There wouldn't be black characters because blacks are only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers.
How about don't get involved in politics at all, neither liberal nor conservative, and just be a card game company delivering a good fantasy product that is a fun escape for people from our modern dismal reality?
Also, I am pleased you put the bit concerning Jesus christ in quotes, because frankly, Christianity is a Arab/Jewish religion from the Middle East that clearly the West does not understand, and has clearly corrupted (erroneously utilizing it out of context to justify slavery for example) if it's being associated with homophobia, racism, or anything else hateful or divisive, considering its founding principles are love for all no matter what, forgiveness, lack of judgement etc. Jesus never even discusses homosexuality at all, presumably finding it irrelevent, and his followers are frequently alarmed throughout the entire New Testament, just from the events they recall, how he would dine with "sinners," save women from being stoned, treat them as equals (and often superiors) to men to the surprise of all, associated with people from various racial backgrounds giving no damn about societal rules (healing a Roman general's daughter despite them being the oppressors, the Samaritan woman at the well, etc.) I'll never forget when an annoying loud liberal atheist friend of mine kept trying to paint Jesus as some misogynist based on his personal experience with misogynist christians (who are therefore hypocrites) until I began referencing all the examples in which Jesus actually favors women in the Bible, including the scene between Mary and Martha, in which Mary actually has the right idea all along. Don't forget the three Marys at the foot of the cross - women are essential to Christianity with the Virgin Mary essentially occupying a goddess-like role in Catholicism (the original Christianity) - so do all Arab Christians who literally live where Jesus walked and prayed a favor and separate the flawed human western institution of religion and the church (and all their abhorrent and hypocritical sins) from the actual founder of Christianity, his message, and his actual doctrine.
"BUT TIRO SAID RACIST THINGS!" - Please also spare me from this indoctrinated mob mentality, that lynches people to compensate, repeating the same sins on new victims to somehow atone. People who are neutral want products independent of politics because we're sick of how divisive and militant people are, even when brandishing genuinely good causes. There is this tone of retribution and exclusion that makes a lot of these otherwise good virtues seem more like revenge than actual altruism, and that is the real reason it's opposed. Reasonable neutral people don't like supporting something that feels like it explicitly excludes people for social justice. Because the exclusion itself was the original issue that created the obvious disparities (which do indeed exist for racial and socio-economic groups, and not just Black Americans, but very much including them regardless) that we contend with now. If there seemed to be more attempts to address more than just the extremes, it would feel more genuine. Also, I criticized Planeswalkers in general in a Kaya thread, not her specifically, and I'll reiterate that this product appearing during Black History Month is appropriate, even if I feel not enough is being done to positively impact male development. People seem to think creating new disparities between men and women is somehow going to resolve the issue of "toxic masculinity" using force instead of proper development for young men to address the issue. Bullying or depriving men into submission is only creating new disparities instead of addressing the root cause - the healthy emotional development of young boys into good men. But I digress. I know better than to expect WOTC to fund raise anything supporting young boys - it's all about pulling the lever to the extreme other side for them, until it is inevitably too far, and then in a century or so we find ourselves yanking it to the next extreme all over again.
Anyway, my point is, conservatism is not racism, homophobia, or anything anyone is indoctrinated to believe it is. And if you're incapable of understanding what it really means for individual people, then that sounds like a good reason to keep politics out of games.
As usual people have to act foolish and reveal their prejudices and racial hate whenever a member of a minority group is featured on a Magic card. Remember when Kaya got a Magic card in Kaldheim and that was somehow taken as an invitation to say bigoted things? Just keep it to yourself, guys
There were no bigoted comments then, only ignorant people bending over backwards to find a way to interpret legitimate criticism as bigotry, which is a weak method of dismissing people some are incapable of debating.
This specifically doesn't bother me since it's Black History month, although it's becoming painfully obvious lately that MTG wants to be political, and decidedly liberal. Which is ironically making it feel unwelcome, because if most people are like me, people want media and products independent of something inherently conflicting like politics.
WotC wants to be "liberal" because if they were "conservative" there wouldn't be gay/lesbian/trans characters because those are "sins against Jesus Christ our savior". There wouldn't be black characters because blacks are only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers.
How about don't get involved in politics at all, neither liberal nor conservative, and just be a card game company delivering a good fantasy product that is a fun escape for people from our modern dismal reality?
Also, I am pleased you put the bit concerning Jesus christ in quotes, because frankly, Christianity is a Arab/Jewish religion from the Middle East that clearly the West does not understand, and has clearly corrupted (erroneously utilizing it out of context to justify slavery for example) if it's being associated with homophobia, racism, or anything else hateful or divisive, considering its founding principles are love for all no matter what, forgiveness, lack of judgement etc. Jesus never even discusses homosexuality at all, presumably finding it irrelevent, and his followers are frequently alarmed throughout the entire New Testament, just from the events they recall, how he would dine with "sinners," save women from being stoned, treat them as equals (and often superiors) to men to the surprise of all, associated with people from various racial backgrounds giving no damn about societal rules (healing a Roman general's daughter despite them being the oppressors, the Samaritan woman at the well, etc.) I'll never forget when an annoying loud liberal atheist friend of mine kept trying to paint Jesus as some misogynist based on his personal experience with misogynist christians (who are therefore hypocrites) until I began referencing all the examples in which Jesus actually favors women in the Bible, including the scene between Mary and Martha, in which Mary actually has the right idea all along. Don't forget the three Marys at the foot of the cross - women are essential to Christianity with the Virgin Mary essentially occupying a goddess-like role in Catholicism (the original Christianity) - so do all Arab Christians who literally live where Jesus walked and prayed a favor and separate the flawed human western institution of religion and the church (and all their abhorrent and hypocritical sins) from the actual founder of Christianity, his message, and his actual doctrine.
"BUT TIRO SAID RACIST THINGS!" - Please also spare me from this indoctrinated mob mentality, that lynches people to compensate, repeating the same sins on new victims to somehow atone. People who are neutral want products independent of politics because we're sick of how divisive and militant people are, even when brandishing genuinely good causes. There is this tone of retribution and exclusion that makes a lot of these otherwise good virtues seem more like revenge than actual altruism, and that is the real reason it's opposed. Reasonable neutral people don't like supporting something that feels like it explicitly excludes people for social justice. Because the exclusion itself was the original issue that created the obvious disparities (which do indeed exist for racial and socio-economic groups, and not just Black Americans, but very much including them regardless) that we contend with now. If there seemed to be more attempts to address more than just the extremes, it would feel more genuine. Also, I criticized Planeswalkers in general in a Kaya thread, not her specifically, and I'll reiterate that this product appearing during Black History Month is appropriate, even if I feel not enough is being done to positively impact male development. People seem to think creating new disparities between men and women is somehow going to resolve the issue of "toxic masculinity" using force instead of proper development for young men to address the issue. Bullying or depriving men into submission is only creating new disparities instead of addressing the root cause - the healthy emotional development of young boys into good men. But I digress. I know better than to expect WOTC to fund raise anything supporting young boys - it's all about pulling the lever to the extreme other side for them, until it is inevitably too far, and then in a century or so we find ourselves yanking it to the next extreme all over again.
Anyway, my point is, conservatism is not racism, homophobia, or anything anyone is indoctrinated to believe it is. And if you're incapable of understanding what it really means for individual people, then that sounds like a good reason to keep politics out of games.
Ah, so you're one of those people that equates Black History Month with reverse racism.
Guess what chief, Jim Crow laws existed, not in the time of your ancestors, but in the time of people's grandparents or even parents. Pretending that didn't exist and claiming everyone who doesn't see it that way as being "indoctrinated" is one helluva take.
It has nothing to do with "pulling the lever to the other side", and everything to do with having it line up in the middle. Give personal representation to everyone, just not white people or straight people.
As usual people have to act foolish and reveal their prejudices and racial hate whenever a member of a minority group is featured on a Magic card. Remember when Kaya got a Magic card in Kaldheim and that was somehow taken as an invitation to say bigoted things? Just keep it to yourself, guys
There were no bigoted comments then, only ignorant people bending over backwards to find a way to interpret legitimate criticism as bigotry, which is a weak method of dismissing people some are incapable of debating.
This specifically doesn't bother me since it's Black History month, although it's becoming painfully obvious lately that MTG wants to be political, and decidedly liberal. Which is ironically making it feel unwelcome, because if most people are like me, people want media and products independent of something inherently conflicting like politics.
WotC wants to be "liberal" because if they were "conservative" there wouldn't be gay/lesbian/trans characters because those are "sins against Jesus Christ our savior". There wouldn't be black characters because blacks are only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers.
How about don't get involved in politics at all, neither liberal nor conservative, and just be a card game company delivering a good fantasy product that is a fun escape for people from our modern dismal reality?
Also, I am pleased you put the bit concerning Jesus christ in quotes, because frankly, Christianity is a Arab/Jewish religion from the Middle East that clearly the West does not understand, and has clearly corrupted (erroneously utilizing it out of context to justify slavery for example) if it's being associated with homophobia, racism, or anything else hateful or divisive, considering its founding principles are love for all no matter what, forgiveness, lack of judgement etc. Jesus never even discusses homosexuality at all, presumably finding it irrelevent, and his followers are frequently alarmed throughout the entire New Testament, just from the events they recall, how he would dine with "sinners," save women from being stoned, treat them as equals (and often superiors) to men to the surprise of all, associated with people from various racial backgrounds giving no damn about societal rules (healing a Roman general's daughter despite them being the oppressors, the Samaritan woman at the well, etc.) I'll never forget when an annoying loud liberal atheist friend of mine kept trying to paint Jesus as some misogynist based on his personal experience with misogynist christians (who are therefore hypocrites) until I began referencing all the examples in which Jesus actually favors women in the Bible, including the scene between Mary and Martha, in which Mary actually has the right idea all along. Don't forget the three Marys at the foot of the cross - women are essential to Christianity with the Virgin Mary essentially occupying a goddess-like role in Catholicism (the original Christianity) - so do all Arab Christians who literally live where Jesus walked and prayed a favor and separate the flawed human western institution of religion and the church (and all their abhorrent and hypocritical sins) from the actual founder of Christianity, his message, and his actual doctrine.
"BUT TIRO SAID RACIST THINGS!" - Please also spare me from this indoctrinated mob mentality, that lynches people to compensate, repeating the same sins on new victims to somehow atone. People who are neutral want products independent of politics because we're sick of how divisive and militant people are, even when brandishing genuinely good causes. There is this tone of retribution and exclusion that makes a lot of these otherwise good virtues seem more like revenge than actual altruism, and that is the real reason it's opposed. Reasonable neutral people don't like supporting something that feels like it explicitly excludes people for social justice. Because the exclusion itself was the original issue that created the obvious disparities (which do indeed exist for racial and socio-economic groups, and not just Black Americans, but very much including them regardless) that we contend with now. If there seemed to be more attempts to address more than just the extremes, it would feel more genuine. Also, I criticized Planeswalkers in general in a Kaya thread, not her specifically, and I'll reiterate that this product appearing during Black History Month is appropriate, even if I feel not enough is being done to positively impact male development. People seem to think creating new disparities between men and women is somehow going to resolve the issue of "toxic masculinity" using force instead of proper development for young men to address the issue. Bullying or depriving men into submission is only creating new disparities instead of addressing the root cause - the healthy emotional development of young boys into good men. But I digress. I know better than to expect WOTC to fund raise anything supporting young boys - it's all about pulling the lever to the extreme other side for them, until it is inevitably too far, and then in a century or so we find ourselves yanking it to the next extreme all over again.
Anyway, my point is, conservatism is not racism, homophobia, or anything anyone is indoctrinated to believe it is. And if you're incapable of understanding what it really means for individual people, then that sounds like a good reason to keep politics out of games.
Ah, so you're one of those people that equates Black History Month with reverse racism.
Where did I explicitly say that?
This concept of "you are what I am indoctrinated to perceive you to be" and this judgment of people based on thoughts someone is inferred to have is what unravels the liberal platform for me. It's a dangerous precedent that people don't realize is actually very regressive and primal, literally a witch trial. Liberals justify it because they believe it's justice for a good cause (opposing racism) even thought fundamentally, it is rooted in the same twisted hatred from which racism itself is derived, applied to new victims.
There were no bigoted comments then, only ignorant people bending over backwards to find a way to interpret legitimate criticism as bigotry, which is a weak method of dismissing people some are incapable of debating.
This specifically doesn't bother me since it's Black History month, although it's becoming painfully obvious lately that MTG wants to be political, and decidedly liberal. Which is ironically making it feel unwelcome, because if most people are like me, people want media and products independent of something inherently conflicting like politics.
WotC wants to be "liberal" because if they were "conservative" there wouldn't be gay/lesbian/trans characters because those are "sins against Jesus Christ our savior". There wouldn't be black characters because blacks are only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers.
How about don't get involved in politics at all, neither liberal nor conservative, and just be a card game company delivering a good fantasy product that is a fun escape for people from our modern dismal reality?
Also, I am pleased you put the bit concerning Jesus christ in quotes, because frankly, Christianity is a Arab/Jewish religion from the Middle East that clearly the West does not understand, and has clearly corrupted (erroneously utilizing it out of context to justify slavery for example) if it's being associated with homophobia, racism, or anything else hateful or divisive, considering its founding principles are love for all no matter what, forgiveness, lack of judgement etc. Jesus never even discusses homosexuality at all, presumably finding it irrelevent, and his followers are frequently alarmed throughout the entire New Testament, just from the events they recall, how he would dine with "sinners," save women from being stoned, treat them as equals (and often superiors) to men to the surprise of all, associated with people from various racial backgrounds giving no damn about societal rules (healing a Roman general's daughter despite them being the oppressors, the Samaritan woman at the well, etc.) I'll never forget when an annoying loud liberal atheist friend of mine kept trying to paint Jesus as some misogynist based on his personal experience with misogynist christians (who are therefore hypocrites) until I began referencing all the examples in which Jesus actually favors women in the Bible, including the scene between Mary and Martha, in which Mary actually has the right idea all along. Don't forget the three Marys at the foot of the cross - women are essential to Christianity with the Virgin Mary essentially occupying a goddess-like role in Catholicism (the original Christianity) - so do all Arab Christians who literally live where Jesus walked and prayed a favor and separate the flawed human western institution of religion and the church (and all their abhorrent and hypocritical sins) from the actual founder of Christianity, his message, and his actual doctrine.
"BUT TIRO SAID RACIST THINGS!" - Please also spare me from this indoctrinated mob mentality, that lynches people to compensate, repeating the same sins on new victims to somehow atone. People who are neutral want products independent of politics because we're sick of how divisive and militant people are, even when brandishing genuinely good causes. There is this tone of retribution and exclusion that makes a lot of these otherwise good virtues seem more like revenge than actual altruism, and that is the real reason it's opposed. Reasonable neutral people don't like supporting something that feels like it explicitly excludes people for social justice. Because the exclusion itself was the original issue that created the obvious disparities (which do indeed exist for racial and socio-economic groups, and not just Black Americans, but very much including them regardless) that we contend with now. If there seemed to be more attempts to address more than just the extremes, it would feel more genuine. Also, I criticized Planeswalkers in general in a Kaya thread, not her specifically, and I'll reiterate that this product appearing during Black History Month is appropriate, even if I feel not enough is being done to positively impact male development. People seem to think creating new disparities between men and women is somehow going to resolve the issue of "toxic masculinity" using force instead of proper development for young men to address the issue. Bullying or depriving men into submission is only creating new disparities instead of addressing the root cause - the healthy emotional development of young boys into good men. But I digress. I know better than to expect WOTC to fund raise anything supporting young boys - it's all about pulling the lever to the extreme other side for them, until it is inevitably too far, and then in a century or so we find ourselves yanking it to the next extreme all over again.
Anyway, my point is, conservatism is not racism, homophobia, or anything anyone is indoctrinated to believe it is. And if you're incapable of understanding what it really means for individual people, then that sounds like a good reason to keep politics out of games.
Ah, so you're one of those people that equates Black History Month with reverse racism.
Where did I explicitly say that?
This concept of "you are what I am indoctrinated to perceive you to be" and this judgment of people based on thoughts someone is inferred to have is what unravels the liberal platform for me. It's a dangerous precedent that people don't realize is actually very regressive and primal, literally a witch trial. Liberals justify it because they believe it's justice for a good cause (opposing racism) even thought fundamentally, it is rooted in the same twisted hatred from which racism itself is derived, applied to new victims.
"Being mean to racists is just as bad as being racist" is another yikes take.
‘Neutrality’ is the passive defense of the status quo; conservatism is the active defense of the status quo. The status quo is, itself, an ongoing barrier to equity for all marginalized people. In practical terms, there is no such thing as ‘neutrality.’
You guys can have a safe space for your make-pretend card game when everybody else gets one too.
WotC wants to be "liberal" because if they were "conservative" there wouldn't be gay/lesbian/trans characters because those are "sins against Jesus Christ our savior". There wouldn't be black characters because blacks are only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers.
How about don't get involved in politics at all, neither liberal nor conservative, and just be a card game company delivering a good fantasy product that is a fun escape for people from our modern dismal reality?
Also, I am pleased you put the bit concerning Jesus christ in quotes, because frankly, Christianity is a Arab/Jewish religion from the Middle East that clearly the West does not understand, and has clearly corrupted (erroneously utilizing it out of context to justify slavery for example) if it's being associated with homophobia, racism, or anything else hateful or divisive, considering its founding principles are love for all no matter what, forgiveness, lack of judgement etc. Jesus never even discusses homosexuality at all, presumably finding it irrelevent, and his followers are frequently alarmed throughout the entire New Testament, just from the events they recall, how he would dine with "sinners," save women from being stoned, treat them as equals (and often superiors) to men to the surprise of all, associated with people from various racial backgrounds giving no damn about societal rules (healing a Roman general's daughter despite them being the oppressors, the Samaritan woman at the well, etc.) I'll never forget when an annoying loud liberal atheist friend of mine kept trying to paint Jesus as some misogynist based on his personal experience with misogynist christians (who are therefore hypocrites) until I began referencing all the examples in which Jesus actually favors women in the Bible, including the scene between Mary and Martha, in which Mary actually has the right idea all along. Don't forget the three Marys at the foot of the cross - women are essential to Christianity with the Virgin Mary essentially occupying a goddess-like role in Catholicism (the original Christianity) - so do all Arab Christians who literally live where Jesus walked and prayed a favor and separate the flawed human western institution of religion and the church (and all their abhorrent and hypocritical sins) from the actual founder of Christianity, his message, and his actual doctrine.
"BUT TIRO SAID RACIST THINGS!" - Please also spare me from this indoctrinated mob mentality, that lynches people to compensate, repeating the same sins on new victims to somehow atone. People who are neutral want products independent of politics because we're sick of how divisive and militant people are, even when brandishing genuinely good causes. There is this tone of retribution and exclusion that makes a lot of these otherwise good virtues seem more like revenge than actual altruism, and that is the real reason it's opposed. Reasonable neutral people don't like supporting something that feels like it explicitly excludes people for social justice. Because the exclusion itself was the original issue that created the obvious disparities (which do indeed exist for racial and socio-economic groups, and not just Black Americans, but very much including them regardless) that we contend with now. If there seemed to be more attempts to address more than just the extremes, it would feel more genuine. Also, I criticized Planeswalkers in general in a Kaya thread, not her specifically, and I'll reiterate that this product appearing during Black History Month is appropriate, even if I feel not enough is being done to positively impact male development. People seem to think creating new disparities between men and women is somehow going to resolve the issue of "toxic masculinity" using force instead of proper development for young men to address the issue. Bullying or depriving men into submission is only creating new disparities instead of addressing the root cause - the healthy emotional development of young boys into good men. But I digress. I know better than to expect WOTC to fund raise anything supporting young boys - it's all about pulling the lever to the extreme other side for them, until it is inevitably too far, and then in a century or so we find ourselves yanking it to the next extreme all over again.
Anyway, my point is, conservatism is not racism, homophobia, or anything anyone is indoctrinated to believe it is. And if you're incapable of understanding what it really means for individual people, then that sounds like a good reason to keep politics out of games.
Ah, so you're one of those people that equates Black History Month with reverse racism.
Where did I explicitly say that?
This concept of "you are what I am indoctrinated to perceive you to be" and this judgment of people based on thoughts someone is inferred to have is what unravels the liberal platform for me. It's a dangerous precedent that people don't realize is actually very regressive and primal, literally a witch trial. Liberals justify it because they believe it's justice for a good cause (opposing racism) even thought fundamentally, it is rooted in the same twisted hatred from which racism itself is derived, applied to new victims.
"Being mean to racists is just as bad as being racist" is another yikes take.
There's a difference between someone who is actually racist, and people you're inferring to be for the convenience of justifying lust for violence. Trial of mob-inferred thoughts is a witch hunt.
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Magic is absolutely a place for escapism. What your not realizing is that seeing yourself in the characters is a big part of escapism. Black Magic players deserve escapism just as much as you do. Sure, people can see themselves in characters with different skin color from their own, but that just makes your complaint all the more absurd.
In case you guys haven't noticed, Magic is all about pandering. They literally just released a set pandering to Norse mythology fans, then they're going to pander to Harry Potter fans, then D&D fans, then horror fans. How about when they pander to someone who isn't you, you can just, like, not throw a fit?
He was religious, that's undisputed, but what kind of whacked out history have you read that makes you think he was a conservative?
I just wish there was not the showboating to go with all of it, and that things like this could be done in silence and everyone who makes the game and plays the game not bat an eye about it.
Man what a world that would be.
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I'll have to check it out and look around. Some of the Reddit threads can be pretty toxic too with pretty lax moderation. I'll look into Nexus and other boards because the constant lobbying for less representation in Magic and bad faith bigotry that pops up every time people on this board see a black person on a card really is driving me away from this website that I've loved for more than a decade.
Thank you. I'm glad someone pointed out the obvious so I wouldn't have to.
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Here's my psychoanalysis...
There are many worlds (and planes) at play, and when some collide, it creates a confusing paradox for certain segments of the player demographic who may suffer from neuroses and have difficulty accepting that WoTC will no longer only pander to the cultural elements, lore, characters, or gameplay mechanics which appeal to them. Suddenly, (perhaps exacerbated by the general frustration some feel during a lengthy ongoing pandemic which offers little if any release valve or outlet for the underlying pent up desire to play live Magic games at events with physical cards,) they feel as though the world(s) to which they escape(d) are now being invaded by an encroaching unwanted force (once again, albeit by something other than Eldrazi or Phyrexians, and perhaps even more frighteningly for them with more regularity). Consequently, they either sincerely lose interest in the product temporarily (understandable and not particularly uncommon), vent their pent up frustration here (because they can't do so by making sarcastic remarks to, or by sharing playful banter with their friends and former adversaries at the LGS during FNM), or feign disinterest because the real or primary reason they're hating on Secret Lair (or any other MTG product) is that not everything in in any player's budget, and obviously, especially during challenging uncertain times, we all have to make cuts (even when deep down we may somewhat like or otherwise want a product). No Magic card is essential for gameplay, let alone for operational security. Sadly, some in the community seemingly also need to emotionally express or justify their passionate dislike for some marketing techniques by hating on such products which don't appeal to them (this is simply a coping mechanism), even though as always, there are products which don't appeal to many consumers, and nobody is forced to buy individual cards, packs, playmats, novelty sleeves, planeswalker bobbleheads, Arena of the Planeswalkers board games, pewter talisman life counters, gift edition bundles, limited edition box sets, or any other Magic product WoTC (or it's licensed affiliates) releases, the same way nobody has to, is encouraged to, or is realistically expected to buy every new limited edition shoe which their favorite shoe company announces and manufactures. Sometimes the shoe fits, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes there's no more room on your shoe rack for another pair, and sometimes you can't afford to keep buying new shoes so often...and by shoes, I mean playsets of cardboard game pieces.
You buy what you like, I buy what I like, and we're all happy
Quite frankly, Secret Lair is a much better product line than some of its closest predecessors, namely: From The Vault (for many reasons)
-FTV had a worse foiling process (Can anybody possibly disagree?)
-Secret Lairs are often available in both foil and non-foil versions
-Secret Lairs contain a free bonus card (Who doesn't like the fun of opening a random planeswalker?)
-Buying multiple Secret Lair Drops at once can get you additional discounts and value (I got a Verdant Catacombs with my Summer Superdrop. Who doesn't need more fetchlands for free? Thank you Wizards!)
-Secret Lairs come out many times throughout the year offering consumers many more options and variance to mix and match the alternate art cards they want for their collections as opposed to only being able to acquire one yearly box set (if they're lucky) containing a larger collection of cards with a particular theme, more than half of which I never wanted or used.
-Secret Lairs are actually priced fairly because they don't each contain as many cards as FTV which always had a huge mark-up above MSRP at most retailers
-Secret Lairs are available directly to the consumer without having to physically travel to a store or line up the day they go on sale as was often the case before, since stores would refuse preorders and always say it was "first come, first served"
-Secret Lairs are also available in multiple quantities to anyone with a credit card (in more countries) who wants playsets of certain alternate arts unlike FTV which was always in very limited supply at stores, a hassle to get, and often sold out the day they were released, sometimes unofficially reserved for "regulars" who weren't even there with cash in hand when stores opened on release days and other interested customers were. At one store (since closed), just buying FTV20 required winning a lottery. Strategically, I had to bring a friend with to increase my odds, and fortunately, they won one of the few available for sale so I didn't go home empty handed. At another, I often argued with store employees on release days who kept them for themselves, opened them to only sell singles, or refused to sell unopened boxes on the shelf for some other reason. Suffice it to say I got several FTVs over the years, but with many headaches along the way, experiences which I'll never forget because they were so ridiculous, and I'm very happy I never have to relive that nonsense again with print runs now being made to order and shipped directly to me, as I always hoped and wanted it to be.
Also, Teferi isn't back. In fact, he never left.
He does however excuse that your linear understanding of space and time might lead you to such a flawed perception or premature conclusion.
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Have you not seen the foiling of SLs? They are just as bad if not worse. Somehow the extra large commander cards are less bent than SLs.
Looking at the wiki that shows that to be false, out of the 33 there have been so far, 14 have only been non foil, 25 have been foil, and only 7 have been both. 7 out of 33 is not what I'd call often, that's only slightly better than a fifth of the time and all of the ones that have been both have been since August, so it's a fairly recent thing.
Seems more like they add them in to try and entice you with the possibility of a better box or even to make up the difference between what some of the cards are actually worth and what the box costs. A PW or a fetchland would certainly make me feel better if I paid $30 for 4 Lightning Bolts or that recent mana rock one.
I'd say that last half could be used against SLs as well, unless the SL is one card, I find I really only care about one card in a bunch. Also, them coming out so frequently is also a negative, it really just drowns you in product and it ends up hard to keep track of everything WotC has been releasing bringing upon fatigue to other products you may actually care more about.
With that said, yes they do add options for "blinging" out your deck if you so choose that, that can't be disputed.
Depends on which ones. $30 for a playset of Bolt, mana rocks that didn't come close to the price of the box, any of them solely featuring basic lands, the cats one (lol $40), the birds one, fetchland one (HAHAHAHAH $400 HAHAHA) and others there was no reason for them being the price they were.
They then have to wait incredibly long, some still haven't been shipped, finding their purchase damaged, customer support is at best average, and them not offering it to LGS could also be seen as a bad thing.[/quote]
It’s Black History Month. Calling this showboating seems exceptionally tone deaf.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Another “i m american thus conservative equals republican party” guy? Go read about conservatism (not american conservatism) and read his speachs etc.
Aside from being a preacher and therefore presumably in favor organized religion, what was at all conservative about him? The vast amount of his efforts were in direct opposition to the social structures and institutions of his day. There may exist conservatives who agree with his overall philosophy, but conservatism is not independent of the social structures around a person. A conservative declaring they agree with MLK does not make MLK conservative, heck even the Republican party does that constantly.
And yes, I'm American and that shapes how I view politics. I live in a country that's run by 2 fairly conservative parties, so I tend to think of the more conservative one as "the conservatives," but I'm perfectly capable of understanding what conservatism literally means.
He was absent from the story for years lol. He is back in the story, your block of text was WAY too long my man.
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Please tell me this post is satire. Please.
Not to mention MLK was American so it's kind of pointless to try to judge his politics by another country's differing metric. It's either misguided or disingenuous to say MLK wasn't progressive because if he were in another country he might be judged differently. He was involved in influencing American politics first and foremost so he will obviously be referred to in the context he was in.
"But Bernie Sanders is actually a right wing conservative because if he were in Germany he would be" isn't the winning or even relevant argument some may think it is.
You’re projecting.
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At the same time, American politics is skewed so heavily to the right that context is required. The US doesn't have a left wing. They have one outsider who is center-left (Sanders), and a couple people in the center (AOC). But the "left wing" party is center-right, and the right wing party is extreme right. You don't see any actual leftist views, like worker communes or full government control of all essential services to prevent price gouging. But anything left of hunting the homeless for sport is decried as "communist".
Also, I am pleased you put the bit concerning Jesus christ in quotes, because frankly, Christianity is a Arab/Jewish religion from the Middle East that clearly the West does not understand, and has clearly corrupted (erroneously utilizing it out of context to justify slavery for example) if it's being associated with homophobia, racism, or anything else hateful or divisive, considering its founding principles are love for all no matter what, forgiveness, lack of judgement etc. Jesus never even discusses homosexuality at all, presumably finding it irrelevent, and his followers are frequently alarmed throughout the entire New Testament, just from the events they recall, how he would dine with "sinners," save women from being stoned, treat them as equals (and often superiors) to men to the surprise of all, associated with people from various racial backgrounds giving no damn about societal rules (healing a Roman general's daughter despite them being the oppressors, the Samaritan woman at the well, etc.) I'll never forget when an annoying loud liberal atheist friend of mine kept trying to paint Jesus as some misogynist based on his personal experience with misogynist christians (who are therefore hypocrites) until I began referencing all the examples in which Jesus actually favors women in the Bible, including the scene between Mary and Martha, in which Mary actually has the right idea all along. Don't forget the three Marys at the foot of the cross - women are essential to Christianity with the Virgin Mary essentially occupying a goddess-like role in Catholicism (the original Christianity) - so do all Arab Christians who literally live where Jesus walked and prayed a favor and separate the flawed human western institution of religion and the church (and all their abhorrent and hypocritical sins) from the actual founder of Christianity, his message, and his actual doctrine.
"BUT TIRO SAID RACIST THINGS!" - Please also spare me from this indoctrinated mob mentality, that lynches people to compensate, repeating the same sins on new victims to somehow atone. People who are neutral want products independent of politics because we're sick of how divisive and militant people are, even when brandishing genuinely good causes. There is this tone of retribution and exclusion that makes a lot of these otherwise good virtues seem more like revenge than actual altruism, and that is the real reason it's opposed. Reasonable neutral people don't like supporting something that feels like it explicitly excludes people for social justice. Because the exclusion itself was the original issue that created the obvious disparities (which do indeed exist for racial and socio-economic groups, and not just Black Americans, but very much including them regardless) that we contend with now. If there seemed to be more attempts to address more than just the extremes, it would feel more genuine. Also, I criticized Planeswalkers in general in a Kaya thread, not her specifically, and I'll reiterate that this product appearing during Black History Month is appropriate, even if I feel not enough is being done to positively impact male development. People seem to think creating new disparities between men and women is somehow going to resolve the issue of "toxic masculinity" using force instead of proper development for young men to address the issue. Bullying or depriving men into submission is only creating new disparities instead of addressing the root cause - the healthy emotional development of young boys into good men. But I digress. I know better than to expect WOTC to fund raise anything supporting young boys - it's all about pulling the lever to the extreme other side for them, until it is inevitably too far, and then in a century or so we find ourselves yanking it to the next extreme all over again.
Anyway, my point is, conservatism is not racism, homophobia, or anything anyone is indoctrinated to believe it is. And if you're incapable of understanding what it really means for individual people, then that sounds like a good reason to keep politics out of games.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Ah, so you're one of those people that equates Black History Month with reverse racism.
Guess what chief, Jim Crow laws existed, not in the time of your ancestors, but in the time of people's grandparents or even parents. Pretending that didn't exist and claiming everyone who doesn't see it that way as being "indoctrinated" is one helluva take.
It has nothing to do with "pulling the lever to the other side", and everything to do with having it line up in the middle. Give personal representation to everyone, just not white people or straight people.
This concept of "you are what I am indoctrinated to perceive you to be" and this judgment of people based on thoughts someone is inferred to have is what unravels the liberal platform for me. It's a dangerous precedent that people don't realize is actually very regressive and primal, literally a witch trial. Liberals justify it because they believe it's justice for a good cause (opposing racism) even thought fundamentally, it is rooted in the same twisted hatred from which racism itself is derived, applied to new victims.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
"Being mean to racists is just as bad as being racist" is another yikes take.
You guys can have a safe space for your make-pretend card game when everybody else gets one too.
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||