I think it's more akin to the complaints about how snow wasn't in Kaldheim and how the whole plane was ruined.
Looks like wotc agreed with us since they did put snow in the set
Yes, that's my point. And it looks like WotC agreed with you all again, because Kaya didn't kill Vorinclex. Hence why it was silly to spend all that time complaining about it as if it were terrible, when in fact it wasn't true at all. Why can't we wait until we know whether snow is in the set or not to go on thread-long rants about how Kaldheim is ruined? Snow turned out to be in the set so all those doomer posts were premature and silly in hindsight.
And here we are again, with people complaining about Kaya bad because she kills Vorinclex, which is also premature and based off of the story, didn't even happen. It would be cool if the complaints were made about things that actually happen instead of things people imagine might happen and just assume to be true without bothering to look into the information available.
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lol Kaya kills Vorinclex? Getting a little bit silly now aren't we?
It's almost like I complained about Planeswalkers being Mary Sues in lore that make pushovers out of Legends that should be more powerful, but aren't, because Planeswalkers.
And Alrund is the reason Kaya is alive, still has her spark, and isn't made of 50% metal, disproving your point that planeswalkers roflstomp every legend in the story.
Though I do remember Vorinclex losing the upper hand twice in the first Kaldheim story, I don't remember him being dazed whenever Kaya is on him - thus my comment that Vorinclex gets offed. Reading the story again, I still cannot find Vorinclex getting dazed with magic above his head anywhere, so it seems that my memory checks out.
Though I do remember Vorinclex losing the upper hand twice in the first Kaldheim story, I don't remember him being dazed whenever Kaya is on him - thus my comment that Vorinclex gets offed. Reading the story again, I still cannot find Vorinclex getting dazed with magic above his head anywhere, so it seems that my memory checks out.
hes not dazed if you were looking at those light stars of some sort
they are literally behind Kaya I mean since when does magic do the cartoon physics of dizzy
Though I do remember Vorinclex losing the upper hand twice in the first Kaldheim story, I don't remember him being dazed whenever Kaya is on him - thus my comment that Vorinclex gets offed. Reading the story again, I still cannot find Vorinclex getting dazed with magic above his head anywhere, so it seems that my memory checks out.
hes not dazed if you were looking at those light stars of some sort
they are literally behind Kaya I mean since when does magic do the cartoon physics of dizzy
this made me lol. Like they're stars or birds
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I think it's more akin to the complaints about how snow wasn't in Kaldheim and how the whole plane was ruined.
Looks like wotc agreed with us since they did put snow in the set
Yes, that's my point. And it looks like WotC agreed with you all again, because Kaya didn't kill Vorinclex. Hence why it was silly to spend all that time complaining about it as if it were terrible, when in fact it wasn't true at all. Why can't we wait until we know whether snow is in the set or not to go on thread-long rants about how Kaldheim is ruined? Snow turned out to be in the set so all those doomer posts were premature and silly in hindsight.
And here we are again, with people complaining about Kaya bad because she kills Vorinclex, which is also premature and based off of the story, didn't even happen. It would be cool if the complaints were made about things that actually happen instead of things people imagine might happen and just assume to be true without bothering to look into the information available.
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for you (and others commenting the same as you) to grasp that some people only get the story via the cards. Not everyone is seeking out the Wizards home page for new stories especially considering the drastic inconsistencies in production of them. That page went from the primary method of story telling, to small excerpts of characters, to non-existent, and now it appears back to their original purpose. Furthermore, there is very little, if any, promotion of those links to Wizards story articles on this website especially within the Rumor Mill. So, if you didn't know to look there, you would only have these cards to go off.
Then, those who haven't read the story and don't know where to find it, see the relatively new planeswalker pouncing on a leading member of perhaps the longest running and most powerful villainous aspects in the history of the game. Honestly, why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
I mean the main problem is probably the flavor text. "your trail ends here" imply that Kaya wins. You can't blame people or jumping to that conclusion. They should have wrote on the card "Kaya got the upper hand on her prey, but in the end the monster was able to escape" or something like that.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
I think it's more akin to the complaints about how snow wasn't in Kaldheim and how the whole plane was ruined.
Looks like wotc agreed with us since they did put snow in the set
Yes, that's my point. And it looks like WotC agreed with you all again, because Kaya didn't kill Vorinclex. Hence why it was silly to spend all that time complaining about it as if it were terrible, when in fact it wasn't true at all. Why can't we wait until we know whether snow is in the set or not to go on thread-long rants about how Kaldheim is ruined? Snow turned out to be in the set so all those doomer posts were premature and silly in hindsight.
And here we are again, with people complaining about Kaya bad because she kills Vorinclex, which is also premature and based off of the story, didn't even happen. It would be cool if the complaints were made about things that actually happen instead of things people imagine might happen and just assume to be true without bothering to look into the information available.
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for you (and others commenting the same as you) to grasp that some people only get the story via the cards. Not everyone is seeking out the Wizards home page for new stories especially considering the drastic inconsistencies in production of them. That page went from the primary method of story telling, to small excerpts of characters, to non-existent, and now it appears back to their original purpose. Furthermore, there is very little, if any, promotion of those links to Wizards story articles on this website especially within the Rumor Mill. So, if you didn't know to look there, you would only have these cards to go off.
Then, those who haven't read the story and don't know where to find it, see the relatively new planeswalker pouncing on a leading member of perhaps the longest running and most powerful villainous aspects in the history of the game. Honestly, why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
What's a hard concept for me to grasp is why when we have lots of the set we don't know about, another card spoiled that hints at Vorinclex obtaining the Sword of the Realm and also people who talked about how Kaya and Vorinclex fought in the story in this thread and others before this thread took place, many still jump to conclusions and rant about things that didn't even happen. You say the story is not obtainable enough for you to know what's going on, but you're on this website, so if you were paying attention, you'd have seen other people mention that Kaya and Vorinclex fight and Kaya, in fact, doesn't kill Vorinclex.
It's the same thing with the snow complaints. We saw six card arts that aren't even included in Kaldheim and several people went on tirades about how WotC tricked them by not including snow (snow was included) and the set was ruined because there's no snow (there is snow). Before we saw any cards and just knew that Kaya was on the box, several people jumped to the conclusion that Kaya was going to kill a new character (Vorinclex isn't new and Kaya didn't kill him) and it would be wasted potential because the new character wouldn't have time to flourish before 'Mary Sue' Kaya killed them. And that was wrong too.
And here we are. People jumping to conclusions about how terrible the story is and Kaya is because she killed Vorinclex (she didn't).
Is there any introspection after all this? Can we all agree to actually get real, factual information about things before going on tirades about it? Come on, wait until you know the story to complain about the story. Because at this point a lot of people have just been complaining about what happens in their own imaginations.
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Kaya literally gets paid to off things. That's her schtick. Usually the stuff she hunts are undead but I believe the MtG story largely handled her entrance into this role in a believable, understandable way, aside from not explaining where her other friends got to.
If this card depicts the story's end, that's cool. She still has a long journey ahead of her as of now in the actual narrative, and Vorinclex absolutely has already shown himself to be a powerful threat, not easily defeated. WotC stopped putting story orderings on the cards so as make the story a little less predictable whilst still depicting the story on the cards.
You cannot not spoil the story through the cards given the necessities of the WotC spoiler season and set release, though if this card depicts one of the story's latter scenes then it is strange to spoil the card as early as it was.
Vorinclex is an antagonist that unlike other threats, has to, at the very least, be removed from Kaldheim, and terminated at most- for the sake of the multiverse, and Kaldheim.
Phyrexia. Need I say more?
For the story to proceed, there needs to be development and increased stakes. Characters have to be able to die.
Perhaps now is Vorinclex's turn. If so, great. If MtG as a game lives long enough, Kaya also is nigh-almost guaranteed to one day die in the story. This is normal. I miss Gideon, but I loved the way in which the story team offed him. Dack- not so much.
People can wait patiently for the story to proceed, as all stories do.
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I think it's more akin to the complaints about how snow wasn't in Kaldheim and how the whole plane was ruined.
Looks like wotc agreed with us since they did put snow in the set
Yes, that's my point. And it looks like WotC agreed with you all again, because Kaya didn't kill Vorinclex. Hence why it was silly to spend all that time complaining about it as if it were terrible, when in fact it wasn't true at all. Why can't we wait until we know whether snow is in the set or not to go on thread-long rants about how Kaldheim is ruined? Snow turned out to be in the set so all those doomer posts were premature and silly in hindsight.
And here we are again, with people complaining about Kaya bad because she kills Vorinclex, which is also premature and based off of the story, didn't even happen. It would be cool if the complaints were made about things that actually happen instead of things people imagine might happen and just assume to be true without bothering to look into the information available.
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for you (and others commenting the same as you) to grasp that some people only get the story via the cards. Not everyone is seeking out the Wizards home page for new stories especially considering the drastic inconsistencies in production of them. That page went from the primary method of story telling, to small excerpts of characters, to non-existent, and now it appears back to their original purpose. Furthermore, there is very little, if any, promotion of those links to Wizards story articles on this website especially within the Rumor Mill. So, if you didn't know to look there, you would only have these cards to go off.
Then, those who haven't read the story and don't know where to find it, see the relatively new planeswalker pouncing on a leading member of perhaps the longest running and most powerful villainous aspects in the history of the game. Honestly, why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
What's a hard concept for me to grasp is why when we have lots of the set we don't know about, another card spoiled that hints at Vorinclex obtaining the Sword of the Realm and also people who talked about how Kaya and Vorinclex fought in the story in this thread and others before this thread took place, many still jump to conclusions and rant about things that didn't even happen. You say the story is not obtainable enough for you to know what's going on, but you're on this website, so if you were paying attention, you'd have seen other people mention that Kaya and Vorinclex fight and Kaya, in fact, doesn't kill Vorinclex.
It's the same thing with the snow complaints. We saw six card arts that aren't even included in Kaldheim and several people went on tirades about how WotC tricked them by not including snow (snow was included) and the set was ruined because there's no snow (there is snow). Before we saw any cards and just knew that Kaya was on the box, several people jumped to the conclusion that Kaya was going to kill a new character (Vorinclex isn't new and Kaya didn't kill him) and it would be wasted potential because the new character wouldn't have time to flourish before 'Mary Sue' Kaya killed them. And that was wrong too.
And here we are. People jumping to conclusions about how terrible the story is and Kaya is because she killed Vorinclex (she didn't).
Is there any introspection after all this? Can we all agree to actually get real, factual information about things before going on tirades about it? Come on, wait until you know the story to complain about the story. Because at this point a lot of people have just been complaining about what happens in their own imaginations.
I did not say that the story is not obtainable enough for me. I merely indicated that it's perfectly reasonable to assume that some people have not read the story article and this card is the first introduction to the interaction. We do have a lot of stuff yet to be spoiled which also lends to the fact that this card could easily be interpreted as Kaya winning this fight and without more of the story cards to explain the true result, the jump to the conclusion is again reasonable.
All in all, it's a very strange thing for you and others to be so defensive of peoples' reactions to a card and for them to express those reactions in a forum specifically designed for that purpose. You're in a place called RUMOR MILL - this isn't the story forum - jumping to conclusions should be expected here. You want introspection about the details of the story? Head over to the place where that kind of conversation takes place, sounds like it would be perfect for you. And if the thread doesn't yet exist, you could start one.
Furthermore, if the people who jump to the conclusion that the story is terrible decide never to look any deeper then they're probably not an active part of the community you're involved in. So, what does it really matter to you what a gut reaction is from a total stranger on a forum not even dedicated to the aspect of the game you seem to care so much about?
I have no skin in this at all. As ridiculous as I think it would be for the new walker to kill Vorniclex on his or her own in any fashion, I am really just defending the people who jumped to conclusions as it's a perfectly reasonable thing to happen. As well as questioning your odd request; especially in this particular forum and with the information provided by this thread and the card alone.
Moreover, it seems to me that you're putting entirely too much weight on the value of random forum users' opinions of the set and story in the Rumor Mill.
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Yes, that's my point. And it looks like WotC agreed with you all again, because Kaya didn't kill Vorinclex. Hence why it was silly to spend all that time complaining about it as if it were terrible, when in fact it wasn't true at all. Why can't we wait until we know whether snow is in the set or not to go on thread-long rants about how Kaldheim is ruined? Snow turned out to be in the set so all those doomer posts were premature and silly in hindsight.
And here we are again, with people complaining about Kaya bad because she kills Vorinclex, which is also premature and based off of the story, didn't even happen. It would be cool if the complaints were made about things that actually happen instead of things people imagine might happen and just assume to be true without bothering to look into the information available.
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hes not dazed if you were looking at those light stars of some sort
they are literally behind Kaya I mean since when does magic do the cartoon physics of dizzy
this made me lol. Like they're stars or birds
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for you (and others commenting the same as you) to grasp that some people only get the story via the cards. Not everyone is seeking out the Wizards home page for new stories especially considering the drastic inconsistencies in production of them. That page went from the primary method of story telling, to small excerpts of characters, to non-existent, and now it appears back to their original purpose. Furthermore, there is very little, if any, promotion of those links to Wizards story articles on this website especially within the Rumor Mill. So, if you didn't know to look there, you would only have these cards to go off.
Then, those who haven't read the story and don't know where to find it, see the relatively new planeswalker pouncing on a leading member of perhaps the longest running and most powerful villainous aspects in the history of the game. Honestly, why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
What's a hard concept for me to grasp is why when we have lots of the set we don't know about, another card spoiled that hints at Vorinclex obtaining the Sword of the Realm and also people who talked about how Kaya and Vorinclex fought in the story in this thread and others before this thread took place, many still jump to conclusions and rant about things that didn't even happen. You say the story is not obtainable enough for you to know what's going on, but you're on this website, so if you were paying attention, you'd have seen other people mention that Kaya and Vorinclex fight and Kaya, in fact, doesn't kill Vorinclex.
It's the same thing with the snow complaints. We saw six card arts that aren't even included in Kaldheim and several people went on tirades about how WotC tricked them by not including snow (snow was included) and the set was ruined because there's no snow (there is snow). Before we saw any cards and just knew that Kaya was on the box, several people jumped to the conclusion that Kaya was going to kill a new character (Vorinclex isn't new and Kaya didn't kill him) and it would be wasted potential because the new character wouldn't have time to flourish before 'Mary Sue' Kaya killed them. And that was wrong too.
And here we are. People jumping to conclusions about how terrible the story is and Kaya is because she killed Vorinclex (she didn't).
Is there any introspection after all this? Can we all agree to actually get real, factual information about things before going on tirades about it? Come on, wait until you know the story to complain about the story. Because at this point a lot of people have just been complaining about what happens in their own imaginations.
If this card depicts the story's end, that's cool. She still has a long journey ahead of her as of now in the actual narrative, and Vorinclex absolutely has already shown himself to be a powerful threat, not easily defeated. WotC stopped putting story orderings on the cards so as make the story a little less predictable whilst still depicting the story on the cards.
You cannot not spoil the story through the cards given the necessities of the WotC spoiler season and set release, though if this card depicts one of the story's latter scenes then it is strange to spoil the card as early as it was.
Vorinclex is an antagonist that unlike other threats, has to, at the very least, be removed from Kaldheim, and terminated at most- for the sake of the multiverse, and Kaldheim.
Phyrexia. Need I say more?
For the story to proceed, there needs to be development and increased stakes. Characters have to be able to die.
Perhaps now is Vorinclex's turn. If so, great. If MtG as a game lives long enough, Kaya also is nigh-almost guaranteed to one day die in the story. This is normal. I miss Gideon, but I loved the way in which the story team offed him. Dack- not so much.
People can wait patiently for the story to proceed, as all stories do.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I did not say that the story is not obtainable enough for me. I merely indicated that it's perfectly reasonable to assume that some people have not read the story article and this card is the first introduction to the interaction. We do have a lot of stuff yet to be spoiled which also lends to the fact that this card could easily be interpreted as Kaya winning this fight and without more of the story cards to explain the true result, the jump to the conclusion is again reasonable.
All in all, it's a very strange thing for you and others to be so defensive of peoples' reactions to a card and for them to express those reactions in a forum specifically designed for that purpose. You're in a place called RUMOR MILL - this isn't the story forum - jumping to conclusions should be expected here. You want introspection about the details of the story? Head over to the place where that kind of conversation takes place, sounds like it would be perfect for you. And if the thread doesn't yet exist, you could start one.
Furthermore, if the people who jump to the conclusion that the story is terrible decide never to look any deeper then they're probably not an active part of the community you're involved in. So, what does it really matter to you what a gut reaction is from a total stranger on a forum not even dedicated to the aspect of the game you seem to care so much about?
I have no skin in this at all. As ridiculous as I think it would be for the new walker to kill Vorniclex on his or her own in any fashion, I am really just defending the people who jumped to conclusions as it's a perfectly reasonable thing to happen. As well as questioning your odd request; especially in this particular forum and with the information provided by this thread and the card alone.
Moreover, it seems to me that you're putting entirely too much weight on the value of random forum users' opinions of the set and story in the Rumor Mill.