this is probably the last leak we’re gonna see before preview season starts in 3 hours
anyway we got another snow card this one is wrath for either creatures or walkers, and based on the amount of snow mana spent you get to bring one of yours of either back, so that’s another wrath for commander players with or without snow oh might be a cycle since 2 rare sorceries are snow type
Do we know if the 2 black mana can count towards the snow total? If you had 6 snow covered swamps is this bringing back a CMC 4 or CMC 6 card from your graveyard?
Do we know if the 2 black mana can count towards the snow total? If you had 6 snow covered swamps is this bringing back a CMC 4 or CMC 6 card from your graveyard?
Yes, that's correct. If you use snow mana for the black mana it will count.
I run Dead of Winter in my current Commander deck which is usually still a far superior creature board wipe in that deck. But, this will be a welcome alternative for some redundancy. Returning a creature or walker is gravy but necessary for a 6 mana board wipe.
Do we know if the 2 black mana can count towards the snow total? If you had 6 snow covered swamps is this bringing back a CMC 4 or CMC 6 card from your graveyard?
Yes, that's correct. If you use snow mana for the black mana it will count.
I run Dead of Winter in my current Commander deck which is usually still a far superior creature board wipe in that deck. But, this will be a welcome alternative for some redundancy. Returning a creature or walker is gravy but necessary for a 6 mana board wipe.
Do we know if the 2 black mana can count towards the snow total? If you had 6 snow covered swamps is this bringing back a CMC 4 or CMC 6 card from your graveyard?
Yes, that's correct. If you use snow mana for the black mana it will count.
I run Dead of Winter in my current Commander deck which is usually still a far superior creature board wipe in that deck. But, this will be a welcome alternative for some redundancy. Returning a creature or walker is gravy but necessary for a 6 mana board wipe.
Agreed, 6 Mana Wraths are pretty bad but honestly, I see this less as a 6 Mana ramp and more like 6 Mana recursion card with a ramp attached. No, wait; that's still pretty bad on it's face. The card is really redeemed by having both parts. If GB Snow Ramp becomes a thing then this probably will have a home there.
Even if it is a 6 mana wrath; it's still the first time we have seen a Black Wrath that kills all creatures in standard. Lately we have been getting cards that give -3/-3 to every creature, or only kill some creatures.
This might be playable.
I wish Seasons Past was still in Standard. I would love to play a BG snow ramp/control deck.
This sucks tbh, I wish it was at least somewhat pushed at 5 mana, at 6 mana it's just terrible. I also wish it put a creature/planeswalker into play from any graveyard
not a super premium boarwipe, but might be a fine card, I guess.
it's pretty crazy on limited
It won't be as you won't be able to just play all snow lands in limited. If you hypothetically go super all in on snow lands then maybe you'll get there with like 12 snow lands, but that will come at some cost of picking them early and weakening the rest of your deck, especially if it's anything like Modern Horizons where the taking the snow land strategy is normally on players minds. More likely, especially if you don't get this card early in your draft and have a reason to beeline snow lands is you will cast it for like x = 2, which isn't really that impressive and not even guaranteed to have targets.
Even if it is a 6 mana wrath; it's still the first time we have seen a Black Wrath that kills all creatures in standard. Lately we have been getting cards that give -3/-3 to every creature, or only kill some creatures.
This might be playable.
I wish Seasons Past was still in Standard. I would love to play a BG snow ramp/control deck.
This sucks tbh, I wish it was at least somewhat pushed at 5 mana, at 6 mana it's just terrible. I also wish it put a creature/planeswalker into play from any graveyard
not a super premium boarwipe, but might be a fine card, I guess.
it's pretty crazy on limited
It won't be as you won't be able to just play all snow lands in limited. If you hypothetically go super all in on snow lands then maybe you'll get there with like 12 snow lands, but that will come at some cost of picking them early and weakening the rest of your deck, especially if it's anything like Modern Horizons where the taking the snow land strategy is normally on players minds. More likely, especially if you don't get this card early in your draft and have a reason to beeline snow lands is you will cast it for like x = 2, which isn't really that impressive and not even guaranteed to have targets.
yeah, you're right.
I was under the impression you actually could add Snow Covered lands as basic lands in limited.... but you can't so.... yeah, snow just becomes even more parasitic than it already is.
I'll leave this one for the Commander crew, 6 CMC is too much for a board wipe, and you'd really need to double down on snow lands to make the reanimation effect worth it. Limited bomb for sure, on the other hand.
I dunno it seems reasonable as a 1 of in standard if there are other reasonable snow pay offs. Wipe the board and bring back Teferi, Master of Time (or other planeswalker/creature) seems like a pretty strong play against a lot of decks. It's not a 4 mana wrath to clear the board and make sure you live spell, but a turn 8/9 wipe the board, get some value, and start setting up.
Even if it is a 6 mana wrath; it's still the first time we have seen a Black Wrath that kills all creatures in standard. Lately we have been getting cards that give -3/-3 to every creature, or only kill some creatures.
This might be playable.
I wish Seasons Past was still in Standard. I would love to play a BG snow ramp/control deck.
Even if it is a 6 mana wrath; it's still the first time we have seen a Black Wrath that kills all creatures in standard. Lately we have been getting cards that give -3/-3 to every creature, or only kill some creatures.
This might be playable.
I wish Seasons Past was still in Standard. I would love to play a BG snow ramp/control deck.
Even if it is a 6 mana wrath; it's still the first time we have seen a Black Wrath that kills all creatures in standard. Lately we have been getting cards that give -3/-3 to every creature, or only kill some creatures.
This might be playable.
I wish Seasons Past was still in Standard. I would love to play a BG snow ramp/control deck.
Dunno seems good to me. You blow up all the creatures, then resurrect a threat. For example if you have a Sorin Markov in your graveyard, you can just blow up everyones creatures, then you can just resurrect him, then use his -3 ability and make an opponent go to 10 life. And unless your opponents have one or more alive creatures or just a creature with haste, you just get to drain 2 life from someone, then on the next turn -3 another player.
Another route is using Liliana Vess and getting two free tutors out of her for something you do need.
And that is just a couple of monoblack options. With snow you know full well you are gonna run at least a Shard or Nephilim worth in colors.
This is going straight into Tevesh/Nadier. All it's basics are snow so it seems like a solid back up to Damnation and Decree of Pain with some bonus attached.
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this is probably the last leak we’re gonna see before preview season starts in 3 hours
anyway we got another snow card this one is wrath for either creatures or walkers, and based on the amount of snow mana spent you get to bring one of yours of either back, so that’s another wrath for commander players with or without snow oh might be a cycle since 2 rare sorceries are snow type
Card is good, maybe even standard playable
it's pretty crazy on limited
Choosing creature or planeswalker is again making this card way worse, as often enough you need both to clean a board.
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Needs a tremendous amount of snow mana anyway to be efficient, sadly just way too weak as it is.
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Yes, that's correct. If you use snow mana for the black mana it will count.
I run Dead of Winter in my current Commander deck which is usually still a far superior creature board wipe in that deck. But, this will be a welcome alternative for some redundancy. Returning a creature or walker is gravy but necessary for a 6 mana board wipe.
Agreed, 6 Mana Wraths are pretty bad but honestly, I see this less as a 6 Mana ramp and more like 6 Mana recursion card with a ramp attached. No, wait; that's still pretty bad on it's face. The card is really redeemed by having both parts. If GB Snow Ramp becomes a thing then this probably will have a home there.
This might be playable.
I wish Seasons Past was still in Standard. I would love to play a BG snow ramp/control deck.
It won't be as you won't be able to just play all snow lands in limited. If you hypothetically go super all in on snow lands then maybe you'll get there with like 12 snow lands, but that will come at some cost of picking them early and weakening the rest of your deck, especially if it's anything like Modern Horizons where the taking the snow land strategy is normally on players minds. More likely, especially if you don't get this card early in your draft and have a reason to beeline snow lands is you will cast it for like x = 2, which isn't really that impressive and not even guaranteed to have targets.
You missed on Damnation.
And all the good stuff like Decree of Pain.
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Edit: 6 mana to wipe stuff and bring something back is pretty good from what I hear...
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yeah, you're right.
I was under the impression you actually could add Snow Covered lands as basic lands in limited.... but you can't so.... yeah, snow just becomes even more parasitic than it already is.
The comment you replied to clearly says standard.
I think he meant standard.
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Another route is using Liliana Vess and getting two free tutors out of her for something you do need.
And that is just a couple of monoblack options. With snow you know full well you are gonna run at least a Shard or Nephilim worth in colors.