How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Part of me says Foretell is good because you can avoid hand destruction if its prevalent or a key card, part of me says its bad because you're taking two turns and overall spending more mana to cast the card. I want to see the set rules to see if it has to be cast on a later turn.
So you can cast this with only 4 mana available. Nice.
Wonder if we will see narrow foretell-interactions like "whenever you foretell a card" or more broad ones that also react to foretell like "whenever you exile a card from your hand" or "whenever you play a card/cast a spell from exile".
... that's a good question actually. I honestly don't know. I guess we'll need the official rules to define what "foretelling a card" means
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Without looking at the rules I'd say since the "Foretelling cost" mentioned by the Mammoth is 2GG ("Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost") the act of foretelling is probably casting the card that's already been exiled from hand. That would make Ranar pretty strong since you could T2 exile Mammoth, T4 cast Ragnar cast Mammoth.
If it doesn't end up being the case, then the wording is really confusing.
From a powerlevel perspective I suppose it's more likely Ranar would only reduce the 2 generic cost and spawn a Spirit.
Wait and see.
How long until we get some enchantment or artifact that give creature cards in your hand foretell, allowing you to spend 2 then later on foretell for the actual mana cost -1 or - 2? The exile zone is now one step closer to being your third pile of cards in hand.
Does Zirda reduce the foretell cost, in this case down to GG?
The leaks just keep coming, don't they? And look, another watermark.
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It's like reverse Companion. I like the mechanic. It can avoid hand disruption. Helps you play around with hand size which can matter obviously with mechanics like Hellbent. Very interested to see more Foretell.
How long until we get some enchantment or artifact that give creature cards in your hand foretell, allowing you to spend 2 then later on foretell for the actual mana cost -1 or - 2? The exile zone is now one step closer to being your third pile of cards in hand.
Does Zirda reduce the foretell cost, in this case down to GG?
I definitely understand the third pile concern but I really don’t feel like Foretell is crossing into that. Exile is used as a temporary holding zone for Foretell. This is basically Suspend but you decide when it’s cast. It’s not like you’re manipulating cards hit by Path to Exile or tormod's crypt.
How long until we get some enchantment or artifact that give creature cards in your hand foretell, allowing you to spend 2 then later on foretell for the actual mana cost -1 or - 2? The exile zone is now one step closer to being your third pile of cards in hand.
Does Zirda reduce the foretell cost, in this case down to GG?
It does specifically say "Cast" on a later turn for the Fortell cost, so I don't think Zirda reduces that. Exiling the card from hand though does seem like an activated ability, so Zirda should reduce that to 1
edit- rowanalpha is probably right about the special action thing.
also from the wording we probably can go to end of turn and do this. And is “instant” speed too
I'm not so sure. You're still casting the same card, just for an alternate cost. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like this changes the timing at all.
It would make the 2 become 0. The second part is just casting the spell with an alternate casting cost of 2GG
Does Zirda reduce the foretell cost, in this case down to GG?
No, the 2GG is an alternate casting cost, not an activated ability, so it would not be affected by Zirda. Further, based on how Suspend works, actually fortelling the card (paying 2 to put facedown into exile) is a special action from a static ability rather than an activated ability and probably wouldn't be affected by Zirda either.
So it's morph and suspend put together. That's....pretty good actually. These won't be able to be hit by discard and cheaper costs are nice when you can split them up.
Hope there will be a lot of low cmc foretell cards. All the better to say "screw you" to Thoughtseize
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
also from the wording we probably can go to end of turn and do this. And is “instant” speed too
I'm not so sure. You're still casting the same card, just for an alternate cost. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like this changes the timing at all.
The exiling effect for Forecast, It does't give a timing just a "in your turn" soo you can hold it in hand till the last moment (and probably respond to a discard effect)(later in the game, or if the only good card in your hand is the one with foretell)
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Elephant itself isn't bad.
The generic cost or the specific cost?
Wonder if we will see narrow foretell-interactions like "whenever you foretell a card" or more broad ones that also react to foretell like "whenever you exile a card from your hand" or "whenever you play a card/cast a spell from exile".
... that's a good question actually. I honestly don't know. I guess we'll need the official rules to define what "foretelling a card" means
If it doesn't end up being the case, then the wording is really confusing.
From a powerlevel perspective I suppose it's more likely Ranar would only reduce the 2 generic cost and spawn a Spirit.
Wait and see.
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Does Zirda reduce the foretell cost, in this case down to GG?
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Thou shalt not change rules in vain
Remember the Reserved List to keep it holy
Honor thy Slivers and the symmetry of their abilities
Thou shalt not kill mana burn
Thou shalt not sacrifice depth for accessibility
Thou shalt not steal combat damage from the stack
Thou shalt tell a story through thy cards
All must be one
I definitely understand the third pile concern but I really don’t feel like Foretell is crossing into that. Exile is used as a temporary holding zone for Foretell. This is basically Suspend but you decide when it’s cast. It’s not like you’re manipulating cards hit by Path to Exile or tormod's crypt.
nice!
also from the wording we probably can go to end of turn and do this. And is “instant” speed too
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It does specifically say "Cast" on a later turn for the Fortell cost, so I don't think Zirda reduces that. Exiling the card from hand though does seem like an activated ability, so Zirda should reduce that to 1edit- rowanalpha is probably right about the special action thing.
I'm not so sure. You're still casting the same card, just for an alternate cost. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like this changes the timing at all.
It would make the 2 become 0. The second part is just casting the spell with an alternate casting cost of 2GG
No, the 2GG is an alternate casting cost, not an activated ability, so it would not be affected by Zirda. Further, based on how Suspend works, actually fortelling the card (paying 2 to put facedown into exile) is a special action from a static ability rather than an activated ability and probably wouldn't be affected by Zirda either.
Hope there will be a lot of low cmc foretell cards. All the better to say "screw you" to Thoughtseize
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I don't know how many leaks will take to wotc to aknowledge that delaying the spoilers at the last moment is not a good way to go
now the mammoth oh boy yet another toy for Animar, soul of elements
The exiling effect for Forecast, It does't give a timing just a "in your turn" soo you can hold it in hand till the last moment (and probably respond to a discard effect)(later in the game, or if the only good card in your hand is the one with foretell)
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