I don’t know why you guys panic of no snow from this the first 6 pathways don’t have the snow type and 4 of them have snow in the art so the pathways reveal squat if there’s snow permanents or not
besides maro gave the maybe response for modern horizons was a test pilot of snow type for kaldheim
If they did snow for this set, I hope they did so in a way that doesn't just flat-out invalidate non-snow basic lands (even if it's just in specific environment like Standard). The one thing I really don't like about snow as a mechanic is that you can just randomly stick "snow" on existing cards and make them marginally better.
Kaldheim Translation: Cold Home Planechase depiction: [A viking world filled with ice and snow that appears to be under a blizzard] Playerbase Expectation: [A viking world filled with ice and snow that appears to be under maybe a constant blizzard] Chandra Comic depiction: [A Viking world filled with ice and snow that appears to be under a blizzard] Duels of the Planeswalkers depiction: [A crazy viking shaman in a world filled with ice and snow.] Secret Lair depiction: [VERDANT LANDSCAPES! BRIGHT AND SUNNY CLEAR SKIES! oh and some snow. BUT ALSO WE GOT FLOATING ROCKS AND WEIRD GEOGRAPHICAL GEOMETRY]
The planechase depiction was from a specific region, to be fair. It wasn't necessarily supposed to be representative of every corner of the world, as much as any of the planechase cards from known planes aren't always particularly representative of the entire plane. Clearwater and Lavaglide pathway arts could well be from the Skybreen region, but it's not surprising the entire world isn't like that. This was announced as a top-down Norse world, not a snow world. I don't know what you were expecting.
My tongue and cheek explanation and also part 2 of how Kaldheim has always been depicted as inspired by Niflheim is my expectation.
And this is not some random out of the blue expectation by the way. From September 4th, 2009 of the original planechase till just a few days ago, so about 11-ish years, we have always been shown Kaldheim is snow and ice. Even the more recent example in late 2018 comic issue 1 done by IDW as approved by Wizards for the Chandra comic depicts Kalhdeim as a land of ice and snow. If they wanted to depict Kaldheim as anything other than just a world of perpetual winter, they had over a decade to show hints.
I suppose then you are confused that all of Zendikar is not a forest based on Tazeem, and that all of Dominaria isn't like the Isle of Vesuva, and all of Mirrodin isn't like the Quicksilver Sea.
I'll repeat, the Planechase cards were never supposed to be representative of the entire plane. It would be misleading if Kaldheim didn't contain the Skybreen area and the kind of landscapes therein, but we've already seen it does. The fact that you saw one Kaldheim planechase card and set your expectation that the entire plane would be like that despite the fact that we've known this whole time it wasn't necessarily representative is entirely your fault, not WotC's for setting misleading expectations. Look at the Planes of Planechase article, it describes *Skybreen*, specifically, not Kaldheim.
And this is especially true given the Skybreen card is from 11 years ago, meaning WotC was not even close to starting work on the Kaldheim set, so there was a lot of room for things to go in different directions. Snow may well be a large part of the set and world anyway. We just know it's not an entire world covered in snow.
And to top that off you can clearly see from some they are also using Muspelheim (Translation: Wreck of the World. A world of fire and heat and chaos and fire giants) for how they are depicting certain aspects of Kaldheim in the unfortunate lens of this secret lair. There is also clear takes of Jotunheim (Giant Home), Asgard (Enclosure of the Aesir), Yggdrasil, and highly likely of Midgard (Middle Enclosure). In case you are wondering why that is an issue, this is the equivalent of smushing Serra's Realm, Phyrexia, Rath, Mercadia, Equilor, and Dominaria and saying they all on the same plane.
Saying "well it don't depict snow, so it not a snowland' then why do we have Clearwater Pathway and Lavaglide Pathway which directly contradict this exact statement? The answer is Wizards does not care they could easily have had the artist sprinkle some snow in the artworks and it would keep it consistent.
I'm extremely aware of the nature of the different Norse realms. I specifically made my own custom set years ago (link in my sig if you want) which just so happens also did exactly what you are complaining about here and mushed the nine realms together. It makes a lot of sense to do. Why limit the content you can draw from him in a Norse mythology set to only one of the realms? And why pick one realm when magic's colour system wants variation in the elements and landscape?
I suppose then you are confused that all of Zendikar is not a forest based on Tazeem
First of all, if your gonna be a bad faith actor, at least get it right before you go shooting your mouth. It was Murasa, not Tazeem that players got to see with Planechase. And also the longest period we were left in dark between Zendikar and Planechase was exactly one week, as guess what happened around then? The spoiler season for Zendikar shortly after the release of Planechase. Which 11 years is a big difference from 1 week. Oh and Tazeem which you misattributed? That came from 2016, 7 years after the original Zendikar set.
More bad faith acting, and a terrible actor you are at it. Isle of Vesuva is based on, get this, an Island in Dominaria and we already saw Vesuva in 2006 of October, which is just a month shy of 3 years prior to Planechase.
Wow, are you for real? You used exactly the same stuff again like I debunked with Vesuva? Heck, with the Mirrodin example thats even older, and get this, thats 6 years ago from Planechase.
And in both instances of these bad faith actings of planes for Dominaria and Mirrodin, which we ALREADY VISITED by the way, you couldn't even have the common decency, likely due to lazyness, that you couldn't even just use something easy like Immerstrum or Feeding Grounds which depict planes WE HAVE NOT visited by the way. If you did that you would at least have a leg to stand on but instead you went for false equivalences.
I'll repeat, the Planechase cards were never supposed to be representative of the entire plane.
Meanwhile you casually ignore how I pointed out over ELEVEN YEARS we have been only shown SKYBREEN. And every opportunity they only showed SKYBREEN. Why is this so hard for you get? They could have, at any point, shown off any number of different locations with Kaldheim. But they didn't. Apparently every planeswalker we have ever known ever only visits that one specific region.
is entirely your fault, not WotC's for setting misleading expectations.
Your blaming me the player for what Wizards themselves has provided for what Kaldheim has been in snippets for the last eleven years? Wow thats hilarious, how many classes of mental gymnastics did it take for you to pull that one off?
I'm extremely aware of the nature of the different Norse realms. I specifically made my own custom set years ago (link in my sig if you want) which just so happens also did exactly what you are complaining about here and mushed the nine realms together. It makes a lot of sense to do.
Not really. Instead of fleshing out a distinct one, we are just seeing shallow worlds. And hey, Kaldheim is only one set as well, so its not like we get to see anything more of this for practically years to come except for side products like Commander 202X. You and I know that. Just like how Ikoria blew its load in one set.
Why limit the content you can draw from him in a Norse mythology set to only one of the realms?
Because you can then do the equivalent of the Shard of the Twelve Worlds in MTG with Norse mythology. Which hey do you even remember that plot point? The whole thing of a world in which there was 12 planes separated from the rest of the multiverse, but instead of 12, you could do 9. Also by having limitations of what you can depict, you can actually create more interesting worlds when working within the restrictions.
Also if your worried about snow basics overtaking normal basics, I hate to break it to you, but snow is better most of the time than a regular basic. They are basically an upgrade as you have access to more cards that care about them. And due to their flexibility, many cards that care about basics also care about snow. While there is some anti-snow cards, nobody runs them unless its specifically your local playgroup as a joke tech card.
I knew this plane was inevitably going to bring out the "uhm ackchually" Norse mythology geeks.
Soramaro, as in a Kamigawa name. Man this is gonna be funny.
Just a reminder: They're not copying Norse mythology 1:1, they're drawing inspiration from it. So it's perfectly fine for them to smush things together.
Just a reminder: nobody cares. We all know how Wizards operates. They go for the lowest common denominator with their sets nowadays, even in top down ones, if they pull 'inspiration' from actual real world cultures. If that weren't true, you know Kamigawa would have sold better if it just had the surface-level aspects of Japan that the average person knows instead of the more esoteric and nuanced aspects of that culture such as with Shintoism. Same with Lorwyn-Shadowmoor to an extent. As if those two blocks taught Wizards anything, the average player is very narrow minded in their understanding of anything that isn't a small yet popular reference, such as Mjolnir or Thor. Which is why they are very relunctant in putting in more than a couple cards in sets that touch on the more obscure aspects of those real world cultures.
As for the snow stuff: We've seen ten cards, out of which 8 aren't completely drenched in snow, and people are already making all these big statements how they're "let down" and Wizards "doesn't care." Fandom is a hellhole sometimes...
Oh spare me your crocodile tears about 'how bad the fandom is'. If you think it (MTG) is such a hellhole, why do you to stay in that very hellhole, aye bub?
I suppose then you are confused that all of Zendikar is not a forest based on Tazeem, and that all of Dominaria isn't like the Isle of Vesuva, and all of Mirrodin isn't like the Quicksilver Sea.
I'll repeat, the Planechase cards were never supposed to be representative of the entire plane. It would be misleading if Kaldheim didn't contain the Skybreen area and the kind of landscapes therein, but we've already seen it does. The fact that you saw one Kaldheim planechase card and set your expectation that the entire plane would be like that despite the fact that we've known this whole time it wasn't necessarily representative is entirely your fault, not WotC's for setting misleading expectations. Look at the Planes of Planechase article, it describes *Skybreen*, specifically, not Kaldheim.
And this is especially true given the Skybreen card is from 11 years ago, meaning WotC was not even close to starting work on the Kaldheim set, so there was a lot of room for things to go in different directions. Snow may well be a large part of the set and world anyway. We just know it's not an entire world covered in snow.
This is all a very valid point. People made up their own headcannon and are now getting sore that what they imagined presumably (because remember we know next to nothing so far) isn't becoming a reality. For people to have expected one area of a plane to be the whole plane is a little silly in hindsight. It's a failure of imagination. And no it doesn't matter how long you've had a misconception, it remains a misconception even if you had it for a decade.
Some of the same people are upset that what they want and only what they want hasn't been made a reality and everything else excluded. We've seen complaints in the same vein in two other recent threads. Listen, you guys can have what you want but the rest of the playerbase deserves to have things too. You guys are fanatical about snow but that doesn't mean the plane has to literally only be the one thing you guys want. If you go into every set expecting what you want and being disappointed that things other people want is included too, then you are going to be disappointed every time. Loudly and pedantically disappointed as we see oh so often.
Kaldheim Translation: Cold Home Planechase depiction: [A viking world filled with ice and snow that appears to be under a blizzard] Playerbase Expectation: [A viking world filled with ice and snow that appears to be under maybe a constant blizzard] Chandra Comic depiction: [A Viking world filled with ice and snow that appears to be under a blizzard] Duels of the Planeswalkers depiction: [A crazy viking shaman in a world filled with ice and snow.] Secret Lair depiction: [VERDANT LANDSCAPES! BRIGHT AND SUNNY CLEAR SKIES! oh and some snow. BUT ALSO WE GOT FLOATING ROCKS AND WEIRD GEOGRAPHICAL GEOMETRY]
Ahaha, next one will be Muraganda without dinosaurs!
This is all a very valid point. People made up their own headcannon and are now getting sore that what they imagined presumably (because remember we know next to nothing so far) isn't becoming a reality. For people to have expected one area of a plane to be the whole plane is a little silly in hindsight. It's a failure of imagination. And no it doesn't matter how long you've had a misconception, it remains a misconception even if you had it for a decade.
Some of the same people are upset that what they want and only what they want hasn't been made a reality and everything else excluded. We've seen complaints in the same vein in two other recent threads. Listen, you guys can have what you want but the rest of the playerbase deserves to have things too. You guys are fanatical about snow but that doesn't mean the plane has to literally only be the one thing you guys want. If you go into every set expecting what you want and being disappointed that things other people want is included too, then you are going to be disappointed every time. Loudly and pedantically disappointed as we see oh so often.
I mean... why wotc did disappoint this headcanon? Why after always showing Kaldheim full of snow, the actual set Kaldheim isn't full of snow?
"it's stupid to expect the whole plane covered of snow"... who cares? We won't see the whole plane. We will just follow the planeswalker protagonists in the region they have interest in for a small period of time. So why can't all of that be covered in snow?
We recently had a set of Ravnica that was just the tenth district during autumn. But having Kaldheim set during winter is heresy?
How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
You have literally not seen any part of the set. I have no idea why you're claiming the set is not full of snow. Can you guys wait until you see one card from the set before you declare it a disappointment and that you've been misled by wotc for a decade
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Yeah they obviously experienced summer too, but people want snow and lots of it
Who?
Who doesn't? Other than a handful of "acchhtuuaally vikings didn't have horns on their helmets and they did actually experience summer!" types.
I still have hopes for this set being cool since the leaked art box art has lots of snow and the designs of those leaked figures look pretty cool.
So far I’m only counting 3.
You're absolutely kidding yourself and being contrarian for the sake of it if you seriously think only three people (on a forum where every thread devolves into angry contrarian arguments to begin with) want this to be a full on snow plane. As Forgottenplaneswalker also pointed out, it's been described as nothing but an icy snow plane throughout the years it's been mentioned.
I'm worried Wizards will go the ridiculous "subversion of expectations" route that's been so popular in media the last couple of years ("you want ice and snow? here have some more Zendikar with a god and a troll!"), but like I said, I still have hopes for tons of ice and snow.
Very much look forward to seeing the spoilers
Just a reminder: nobody cares. We all know how Wizards operates. They go for the lowest common denominator with their sets nowadays, even in top down ones, if they pull 'inspiration' from actual real world cultures. If that weren't true, you know Kamigawa would have sold better if it just had the surface-level aspects of Japan that the average person knows instead of the more esoteric and nuanced aspects of that culture such as with Shintoism. Same with Lorwyn-Shadowmoor to an extent. As if those two blocks taught Wizards anything, the average player is very narrow minded in their understanding of anything that isn't a small yet popular reference, such as Mjolnir or Thor. Which is why they are very relunctant in putting in more than a couple cards in sets that touch on the more obscure aspects of those real world cultures.
How is this a counterpoint? Yes, I know about the Kamigawa/Lorwyn-Shadowmoor reception, and I know that if those sets would get made today, they would be much different. As someone who likes those two sets, I am very much grateful that they did get made before Wizards started going hard on the "resonance" stuff. Still, if we revisited these worlds now (or get new worlds with similar cultural inspirations), I would'nt expect the same things.
It's a bit strange to me how you understand how Wizards designs top-down sets nowadays, yet for some reason demand the very thing you know is very unlikely to happen. For the snow basic thing, you're playing the hardened realist, being all "you may not like it, but that's the way things are. accept it, man." But for the worldbuilding stuff, you do a complete 180: "I know how things are, but I don't care. In fact, nobody cares [citation needed]. They should do it the way I like it."
I mean, I can't stop you from criticising something, nor do I intend to. But expectation management is a thing. To me this looks like someone entering a thread on a new Japan-inspired plane and going "boy, I hope they follow the Japanese source material really closely! First and foremost, they need at least three sub-worlds: The high plain of heaven, the middle country of reed beds and the country of roots. Everything else would be so basic." Talk about setting yourself up for disappointment.
I love that we are at the point on this site where every thread just devolves into pedantic bickering. Yall have fun.
Lock this thread, lock the next one and just lock the site at this point. It's absolutely toxic.
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I love that we are at the point on this site where every thread just devolves into pedantic bickering. Yall have fun.
Lock this thread, lock the next one and just lock the site at this point. It's absolutely toxic.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees it like this. It appears as though the mods hardly care at all they dont even issue warnings to people anymore (at least that I've seen)
Accusing people of being unreasonable for having expectations that WOTC (and partially the source material) established, and that players have requested, didn’t help either.
Is it helpful to pass judgment on a set you haven't seen a single card from? Why don't you wait until you know what the set is like and what it includes before complaining about what you don't know about it?
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Someone please lock this thread. I'm tired of these idiots bickering. This community is --believe it or not-- worse than it was years ago.
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heck maro gave snow in kaldheim “Maybe :)” response and that this tells nothing of snow is a high the,e or not and everyone still panicking of no snow in kaldheim
People are voicing their expectations and desire to have them met, which these cards indicate may not occur. There is nothing absurd about that. No one is judging a set we haven’t seen, but these cards have established some preemptive suspicion. The set could very well be snow and be good. But this isn’t a promising indication.
People are voicing their expectations and desire to have them met, which these cards indicate may not occur. There is nothing absurd about that. No one is judging a set we haven’t seen, but these cards have established some preemptive suspicion. The set could very well be snow and be good. But this isn’t a promising indication.
It’s really not an indication one way or the other.
You have literally not seen any part of the set. I have no idea why you're claiming the set is not full of snow. Can you guys wait until you see one card from the set before you declare it a disappointment and that you've been misled by wotc for a decade
So instead of using the thing we have seen to make an opinion, we should imagine things we haven't see yet to make it?
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Let me get this straight: we're already hitting multiple paragraphs of angry "debate" responses per poster... from 6 lands, that aren't even in the main set.
This is one of those times I miss getting to tell people to go outside, because y'all sound like you need at least 5 hours away from the internet.
People are voicing their expectations and desire to have them met, which these cards indicate may not occur. There is nothing absurd about that. No one is judging a set we haven’t seen, but these cards have established some preemptive suspicion. The set could very well be snow and be good. But this isn’t a promising indication.
Damn, i guess i can't complain that the elf is not abzan or the rabid fanboys will obliterate me
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
<snip> 6 cards do not represent an entire set of 249~ cards. Get a ******* grip.
If you look at the planeswalker decks, card text in the above samples seems to clearly show that snow will be a thing. Take a deep breath. Snow is happening. It's Kaldheim, not Hoth II.
Let me get this straight: we're already hitting multiple paragraphs of angry "debate" responses per poster... from 6 lands, that aren't even in the main set.
This is one of those times I miss getting to tell people to go outside, because y'all sound like you need at least 5 hours away from the internet.
If there's one person I can always count on to be above it all, it's you. Don't let us drag you down to our level.
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besides maro gave the maybe response for modern horizons was a test pilot of snow type for kaldheim
I suppose then you are confused that all of Zendikar is not a forest based on Tazeem, and that all of Dominaria isn't like the Isle of Vesuva, and all of Mirrodin isn't like the Quicksilver Sea.
I'll repeat, the Planechase cards were never supposed to be representative of the entire plane. It would be misleading if Kaldheim didn't contain the Skybreen area and the kind of landscapes therein, but we've already seen it does. The fact that you saw one Kaldheim planechase card and set your expectation that the entire plane would be like that despite the fact that we've known this whole time it wasn't necessarily representative is entirely your fault, not WotC's for setting misleading expectations. Look at the Planes of Planechase article, it describes *Skybreen*, specifically, not Kaldheim.
And this is especially true given the Skybreen card is from 11 years ago, meaning WotC was not even close to starting work on the Kaldheim set, so there was a lot of room for things to go in different directions. Snow may well be a large part of the set and world anyway. We just know it's not an entire world covered in snow.
I'm extremely aware of the nature of the different Norse realms. I specifically made my own custom set years ago (link in my sig if you want) which just so happens also did exactly what you are complaining about here and mushed the nine realms together. It makes a lot of sense to do. Why limit the content you can draw from him in a Norse mythology set to only one of the realms? And why pick one realm when magic's colour system wants variation in the elements and landscape?
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More bad faith acting, and a terrible actor you are at it. Isle of Vesuva is based on, get this, an Island in Dominaria and we already saw Vesuva in 2006 of October, which is just a month shy of 3 years prior to Planechase.
Wow, are you for real? You used exactly the same stuff again like I debunked with Vesuva? Heck, with the Mirrodin example thats even older, and get this, thats 6 years ago from Planechase.
And in both instances of these bad faith actings of planes for Dominaria and Mirrodin, which we ALREADY VISITED by the way, you couldn't even have the common decency, likely due to lazyness, that you couldn't even just use something easy like Immerstrum or Feeding Grounds which depict planes WE HAVE NOT visited by the way. If you did that you would at least have a leg to stand on but instead you went for false equivalences.
Meanwhile you casually ignore how I pointed out over ELEVEN YEARS we have been only shown SKYBREEN. And every opportunity they only showed SKYBREEN. Why is this so hard for you get? They could have, at any point, shown off any number of different locations with Kaldheim. But they didn't. Apparently every planeswalker we have ever known ever only visits that one specific region.
Your blaming me the player for what Wizards themselves has provided for what Kaldheim has been in snippets for the last eleven years? Wow thats hilarious, how many classes of mental gymnastics did it take for you to pull that one off?
Not really. Instead of fleshing out a distinct one, we are just seeing shallow worlds. And hey, Kaldheim is only one set as well, so its not like we get to see anything more of this for practically years to come except for side products like Commander 202X. You and I know that. Just like how Ikoria blew its load in one set.
Because you can then do the equivalent of the Shard of the Twelve Worlds in MTG with Norse mythology. Which hey do you even remember that plot point? The whole thing of a world in which there was 12 planes separated from the rest of the multiverse, but instead of 12, you could do 9. Also by having limitations of what you can depict, you can actually create more interesting worlds when working within the restrictions.
Also if your worried about snow basics overtaking normal basics, I hate to break it to you, but snow is better most of the time than a regular basic. They are basically an upgrade as you have access to more cards that care about them. And due to their flexibility, many cards that care about basics also care about snow. While there is some anti-snow cards, nobody runs them unless its specifically your local playgroup as a joke tech card.
Just a reminder: nobody cares. We all know how Wizards operates. They go for the lowest common denominator with their sets nowadays, even in top down ones, if they pull 'inspiration' from actual real world cultures. If that weren't true, you know Kamigawa would have sold better if it just had the surface-level aspects of Japan that the average person knows instead of the more esoteric and nuanced aspects of that culture such as with Shintoism. Same with Lorwyn-Shadowmoor to an extent. As if those two blocks taught Wizards anything, the average player is very narrow minded in their understanding of anything that isn't a small yet popular reference, such as Mjolnir or Thor. Which is why they are very relunctant in putting in more than a couple cards in sets that touch on the more obscure aspects of those real world cultures.
Oh spare me your crocodile tears about 'how bad the fandom is'. If you think it (MTG) is such a hellhole, why do you to stay in that very hellhole, aye bub?
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This is all a very valid point. People made up their own headcannon and are now getting sore that what they imagined presumably (because remember we know next to nothing so far) isn't becoming a reality. For people to have expected one area of a plane to be the whole plane is a little silly in hindsight. It's a failure of imagination. And no it doesn't matter how long you've had a misconception, it remains a misconception even if you had it for a decade.
Some of the same people are upset that what they want and only what they want hasn't been made a reality and everything else excluded. We've seen complaints in the same vein in two other recent threads. Listen, you guys can have what you want but the rest of the playerbase deserves to have things too. You guys are fanatical about snow but that doesn't mean the plane has to literally only be the one thing you guys want. If you go into every set expecting what you want and being disappointed that things other people want is included too, then you are going to be disappointed every time. Loudly and pedantically disappointed as we see oh so often.
Ahaha, next one will be Muraganda without dinosaurs!
Sorry, people are complaining about snow, why do you have to make it political?
I mean... why wotc did disappoint this headcanon? Why after always showing Kaldheim full of snow, the actual set Kaldheim isn't full of snow?
"it's stupid to expect the whole plane covered of snow"... who cares? We won't see the whole plane. We will just follow the planeswalker protagonists in the region they have interest in for a small period of time. So why can't all of that be covered in snow?
We recently had a set of Ravnica that was just the tenth district during autumn. But having Kaldheim set during winter is heresy?
You have literally not seen any part of the set. I have no idea why you're claiming the set is not full of snow. Can you guys wait until you see one card from the set before you declare it a disappointment and that you've been misled by wotc for a decade
You're absolutely kidding yourself and being contrarian for the sake of it if you seriously think only three people (on a forum where every thread devolves into angry contrarian arguments to begin with) want this to be a full on snow plane. As Forgottenplaneswalker also pointed out, it's been described as nothing but an icy snow plane throughout the years it's been mentioned.
I'm worried Wizards will go the ridiculous "subversion of expectations" route that's been so popular in media the last couple of years ("you want ice and snow? here have some more Zendikar with a god and a troll!"), but like I said, I still have hopes for tons of ice and snow.
Very much look forward to seeing the spoilers
It's a bit strange to me how you understand how Wizards designs top-down sets nowadays, yet for some reason demand the very thing you know is very unlikely to happen. For the snow basic thing, you're playing the hardened realist, being all "you may not like it, but that's the way things are. accept it, man." But for the worldbuilding stuff, you do a complete 180: "I know how things are, but I don't care. In fact, nobody cares [citation needed]. They should do it the way I like it."
I mean, I can't stop you from criticising something, nor do I intend to. But expectation management is a thing. To me this looks like someone entering a thread on a new Japan-inspired plane and going "boy, I hope they follow the Japanese source material really closely! First and foremost, they need at least three sub-worlds: The high plain of heaven, the middle country of reed beds and the country of roots. Everything else would be so basic." Talk about setting yourself up for disappointment.
Lock this thread, lock the next one and just lock the site at this point. It's absolutely toxic.
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Glad I'm not the only one who sees it like this. It appears as though the mods hardly care at all they dont even issue warnings to people anymore (at least that I've seen)
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
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I second This
heck maro gave snow in kaldheim “Maybe :)” response and that this tells nothing of snow is a high the,e or not and everyone still panicking of no snow in kaldheim
there will be snow in kaldheim
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
It’s really not an indication one way or the other.
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So instead of using the thing we have seen to make an opinion, we should imagine things we haven't see yet to make it?
This is one of those times I miss getting to tell people to go outside, because y'all sound like you need at least 5 hours away from the internet.
here
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/819692-kaldheim-commander-product-face-cards
Kaldheim commander deck legends
The spirit legend is likely involved of “first foretell card cost S less to ***”
no more lack of snow on pathways means no snow type
If you look at the planeswalker decks, card text in the above samples seems to clearly show that snow will be a thing. Take a deep breath. Snow is happening. It's Kaldheim, not Hoth II.
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