Daryl actually looks like a pretty fun, unique commander in those colors, and he's my favorite character from back in the day watching the show. To bad in those colors you can't build around him more, but I think I'll still build something with him. Seems fun.
I'm a Vorthos player. I play the game but I consume mostly because I enjoy exploring the themes, characters and setting. The lack of these being just "skins" and the fact that they are not silver-border, and therefore optional, bothers me greatly. These factors, as well as the FOMO, limited distribution, and response to the problem by WotC is all just too much. I've been slowly buying less MtG in recent years and the release of this product will only make my consumption even less limited.
Fellow EDH players beware: if you play with these cards I will consider it my personal mission to knock you out *of the game, even if I have to go down in flames along with you. There shall be no Quarto.
"This product doesn't appeal to me, therefore I will bully anyone who enjoys it."
Thanks for succinctly summing up your side's entire argument.
It's a game after all. What's the matter? Afraid the new deck you plan to build with these cards is gonna become absolutely worthless?
You should be.
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“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I'm honestly trying to wrap my head around how anyone feels that the arguments against these are valid without being extremely immature:
1) These break immersion so they shouldn't exist: INVALID.
There are already tons of cards that do this. Additionally, who are you to say what can or can't exist in a game you didn't create? WotC can do whatever they want with their game, and there are plenty of people who think these are cool. Let other people enjoy things, you are not the center of the universe.
2) Slippery slope! They'll obviously print broken cards here eventually: INVALID.
They are VERY clearly aware of the need for limited availability cards to be incredibly safe. They learned their lesson from Nexus. These cards are terrible, and will break zero formats. Also, if these sell well (ie: they have incentive to make more) in spite of being this bad, they have LITERALLY zero reason to amp up the power level. The slippery slope argument is not only fallacious, but wildly illogical to boot.
3) Limited availability is bad! FOMO!: INVALID.
Every Magic product is limited availability. Some more than others. Secret Lairs especially. Is that ideal from a consumer standpoint? No, of course not. Is it probably the most efficient way to meet demand without overprinting and thus wasting money on excess production? Absolutely, which is especially important for short-run products with higher print costs (you get discounts from printers for volume). If you want this you'll buy it. If you don't want this you won't buy it. If you're indecisive and miss the (now generous) window, the secondary market exists and the price of singles in secret lairs has been pretty reasonable across the board outside of a rare few exceptions.
4) What happens if they somehow make a mistake and these become important game pieces!?: INVALID.
They already said they'd reprint them in in-universe form, and that they'd do it Godzilla-style so that there wouldn't be an 8x problem either. They're smart people, have some faith.
5) International availability! Not everyone has equal access!: INVALID.
This is already an issue in Magic. This is nothing new. Countries with access to these might not have access to other things. That's the way the world works. Does it suck? Yes. Is it entirely reasonable given logistics? Absolutely. Will everyone who wants these be able to pick them up second hand? Definitely.
I just can't think of any angle that could validate the level of vitriol surrounding the product other than pure, unadulterated petulance and entitlement. I guess people are inordinately stressed out right now and going stir-crazy in their parents' basement so all of that pent-up frustration has to go somewhere. Its just weird that it goes HERE instead of somewhere more deserving, like the pandemic, or (in the US) the riots, or the election. Hell, within Magic even, you've got Jumpstart shortages and standard bannings that are more worth your time and energy.
I'm a Vorthos player. I play the game but I consume mostly because I enjoy exploring the themes, characters and setting. The lack of these being just "skins" and the fact that they are not silver-border, and therefore optional, bothers me greatly. These factors, as well as the FOMO, limited distribution, and response to the problem by WotC is all just too much. I've been slowly buying less MtG in recent years and the release of this product will only make my consumption even less limited.
Fellow EDH players beware: if you play with these cards I will consider it my personal mission to knock you out *of the game, even if I have to go down in flames along with you. There shall be no Quarto.
Cool! So your player archetype is sort of like a suicidal Chandra being spitroasted by Tibalt and Mogis? In that meta, red deck wins all the time!
A few select counterspells and other hosers will do. My subjective win only requires that those that play with these cards lose.
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— Teferi
Daryl actually looks like a pretty fun, unique commander in those colors, and he's my favorite character from back in the day watching the show. To bad in those colors you can't build around him more, but I think I'll still build something with him. Seems fun.
I kinda like Daryl too. He's definitely HORRIBLE though, that drawback is so bad lol. I think Glen is probably the best one so far, but he's really not very powerful either. Assuming Rick is the last one to be spoiled. Hopefully he references Carl somehow for the meme value.
The people saying things like, "let people have their fun" are ironically being super nasty to others in this thread.
Is this supposed to be a play on "Let them eat Cake"?
On topic, would anyone really care today if Baron Sengir (a card on the reserved list) was named "Count Dracula" instead?
Look, all they had to do to circumvent the list was print Sengir, the Dark Baron instead!
Similarly, functional or semi-functional reprints of these TWD characters could still be printed at a later date (perhaps even sooner than we realize) with different names, and more importantly perhaps as slightly better cards whose names correspond to "legendary" individuals (who ironically we've never even heard of) on a specific Magic plane, and we could all explore their narratives together! Then, wouldn't everyone be happy and get what they wanted?
It looks like the RC (surprisingly) made the correct decision to leave these alone. Good stuff, glad they decided not to abuse their position to try and tell people how to enjoy the game.
I just can't think of any angle that could validate the level of vitriol surrounding the product other than pure, unadulterated petulance and entitlement. I guess people are inordinately stressed out right now and going stir-crazy in their parents' basement so all of that pent-up frustration has to go somewhere.
What about the angle where WOTC once again broke their word to players? Do integrity and trustworthiness mean nothing?
Also, it's hard to take your assessment seriously when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks about parent's basements. Not only are you insulting, but you're dead wrong in my case and likely most others.
The best thing about this whole dumpster fire is that the more WotC tries to deny that there's a problem, the more public the problem gets.
Heck, it might even be the case that I won't have to even dedicate too many resources punking the players that use these in multiplayer formats. Once the cards are played it will be suddenly become an in-house race between players to see who can eliminate the offending creature and/or defeat the player using them first!
The best thing about this whole dumpster fire is that the more WotC tries to deny that there's a problem, the more public the problem gets.
Heck, it might even be the case that I won't have to even dedicate too many resources punking the players that use these in multiplayer formats. Once the cards are played it will be suddenly become an in-house race between players to see who can eliminate the offending creature and/or defeat the player using them first!
Its Secret Lair: Whack-a-Mole!!
A problem or "dumpster fire" doesn't exist simply because you and a few other contrarians believe or say it does.
Perhaps put it to a survey here and let's see the results after several thousand votes to at least get a better metric with which to judge the community's reaction.
Targeting and teaming up on specific players early on has always been a thing.
I've felt the flank attacks many times while piloting Kaalia or Grand Arbiter Augustine, but I shouldn't feel pressured to switch decks if I don't want to
The trick is, you make a game out of it...
You and five friends sit down for a game of emperor commander and play Neegan, Grimgrin, and Geth (or Gisa, or Gisa and Geralf) vs Glenn, Michonne, and Darryl!
Wouldn't that be fun?!
Wow. What makes everyone in the world entitled to get Magic cards (new or old) at the same price and rate of distribution?
Imagine that, people expect WotC, after making a promise to not do things perceived to be detrimental to the game, to stick to that promise. What a shocker.
Honestly, I don't disagree that people will, and have overreacted at some point, but IMO, trying to gaslight the people who are raising valid points is just gonna make the discussion more heated, not less, especially when made in a way that ignores what actually has been said. Same with the rest of your post, which amounts to running with an incredible strawman, and using it to make all sorts of jabs at players who are very passionate about the situation, jabs that are irrelevant (when they aren't outright name-calling and blind dismissal) to the complaints lodged, as if you were actually rebuking them.
It's the same crap that makes the RL so hard to discuss, the same tendency to respond with extreme poison. It's just as BS there as it is here.
They spoiled rick and hes probably the best of the lot. Just for edh he's incredibly solid, and works for a tribe that doesnt currently have a good tribal commander. And he has multiple relevant abilities for that tribe.
Some say he's a solid finisher in other formats where hes legal too.
So, yep. Already ****ed it up and did exactly what they said they wouldnt, in the first product.
Rick, Steadfast Leader
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Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
As Rick enters the battlefield, choose two abilities from among first strike, vigilance, and lifelink.
Humans you control have each of the chosen abilities.
As long as you control four or more Humans, humans you control get +2/+2.
3/4
I feel like the people in this thread who are like "it's their game, they can do whatever they want" and "let people have their fun" are being pretty strawmanny and virtue-signally. Yes, they can do whatever they want - they're the company that makes the game, duh. And yes, if your friends really like something, you should probably not be an ******** and bully them for it. Wow, I feel so morally superior right now.
I think it's reasonable to expect a game that has (at least until now) put its own IP first continues to do so. Until now, playing black-bordered Magic has meant playing with cards that are canon in the Magic universe. Everything outside of that realm was either relegated to silver border or (recently) got the Godzilla "skin" treatment. Now, people are asking why they couldn't choose either of these two options again.
1) These break immersion so they shouldn't exist: INVALID.
There are already tons of cards that do this. Additionally, who are you to say what can or can't exist in a game you didn't create? WotC can do whatever they want with their game, and there are plenty of people who think these are cool. Let other people enjoy things, you are not the center of the universe.
You're right, Wizards can do whatever they want. But that doesn't mean we, the customers, have to like it. Why should I "shut up and continue buying" when I am dissatisfied with the product? And why am I not allowed to voice my displeasure when the product is taking a route that might not enjoy at best and might actually damage the brand in the long run at worst?
Why is the knee-jerk reaction to people going "we don't like this" always "tHey caN do whaTever theY waNt!". Like, the whole argument isn't a legal discussion. It's about whether we like and support where it is going. Wizards could also stuff their boosters with wool instead of cards and sell them at twice the price. Would that be legal? Provided they communicate that on the product, absolutely yes. Would players enjoy that and continue buying the product? Well, apparently some people will but the vast majority won't.
2) Slippery slope! They'll obviously print broken cards here eventually: INVALID.
They are VERY clearly aware of the need for limited availability cards to be incredibly safe. They learned their lesson from Nexus. These cards are terrible, and will break zero formats. Also, if these sell well (ie: they have incentive to make more) in spite of being this bad, they have LITERALLY zero reason to amp up the power level. The slippery slope argument is not only fallacious, but wildly illogical to boot.
You are right. Ever since Wizards accidentally printed the first broken card they learned their lesson and ever since there have been no broken cards. Lo and behold Magic was cured forever and there was never a broken card ever again. You are very smart.
Wow. What makes everyone in the world entitled to get Magic cards (new or old) at the same price and rate of distribution?
Imagine that, people expect WotC, after making a promise to not do things perceived to be detrimental to the game, to stick to that promise. What a shocker.
Honestly, I don't disagree that people will, and have overreacted at some point, but IMO, trying to gaslight the people who are raising valid points is just gonna make the discussion more heated, not less, especially when made in a way that ignores what actually has been said. Same with the rest of your post, which amounts to running with an incredible strawman, and using it to make all sorts of jabs at players who are very passionate about the situation, jabs that are irrelevant (when they aren't outright name-calling and blind dismissal) to the complaints lodged, as if you were actually rebuking them.
It's the same crap that makes the RL so hard to discuss, the same tendency to respond with extreme poison. It's just as BS there as it is here.
Pardon me for asking, but how would you know what is or isn't difficult to discuss?
You joined this forum in June, have 5 posts to date, and couldn't even rebuttal me beyond dismissing and calling me a strawman when you can't deny I'm correct in everything I said, so that makes you some sort of expert on the topics of supplemental products for collectors and the Reserved List?
With all due respect, I've been playing off and on for over twenty years, am heavily invested in this game, have more artist-signed cards than everyone you know combined, love and hate many aspects of Magic, and have no major qualms with any product I don't like, want to play with, or want to collect only for the sake of collecting. I simply don't purchase those products and that's that; how any normal person would react.
The only gaslighting going on is from those who cry that "the sky is falling, Magic is slowly dying" every time some new product gets announced or released which rubs them the wrong way. We heard it when dual-faced cards were released, probably when planeswalkers and flip cards were released (though I wasn't playing during Lorwyn or Kamigawa), when rule changes, bannings, and unbannings occurred, etc. Personally, I'm happy with Secret Lair. I get what I want, ignore what I don't, and life goes on. It's certainly better than having to wait in line before the LGS opens on the release day of Commander's Arsenal or From The Vault, then having to win some sort of in-store raffle just to have the opportunity to buy one because stores never had enough supply to accomodate demand. That was a disaster...travelling all the way to a store, waiting, and potentially leaving empty handed because there were no preorders and every store marked the box sets up like crazy. Would you prefer that experience?
Anyway, as we've all already established, it's Their game!
Wizards can design it however they want, and we can play however we want (some even design and print their own custom sets and cubes!), so that's the bottom line. Play with the cards which appeal to you and your friends.
Don't like the design philosophy? Go support another game developer!
Honestly, I see good sales on Xbox One games all the time. I myself was even tempted to download No Man's Sky after the recent update and improved reviews.
Either way, please stop with the hyperbole as nothing "detrimental to the game" has been committed here, and if you honestly perceive these cards as such, it's clear you're too new too the game or simply bad at evaluating card strength in an already powercrept degenerate metagame. This isn't me trying to be righteous, these are the facts. Lastly, I don't know what "promise to not do things" you're referring to. Sounds pretty vague and ambiguous. What year did this occur in? Was it also written on a promo foil scroll inked in Phyrexian scripture and human blood?
I feel like the people in this thread who are like "it's their game, they can do whatever they want" and "let people have their fun" are being pretty strawmanny and virtue-signally. Yes, they can do whatever they want - they're the company that makes the game, duh. And yes, if your friends really like something, you should probably not be an ******** and bully them for it. Wow, I feel so morally superior right now.
You would have a point if you didn't actually call for these cards to be made not legal in play. You were advocating to take away something for other players, players you will never meet, and you can expect to be called out for that.
I think it's reasonable to expect a game that has (at least until now) put its own IP first continues to do so. Until now, playing black-bordered Magic has meant playing with cards that are canon in the Magic universe.
None of this has been true since literally Magic's first expansion.
Wait...I think I just figured it out!
We're going back to Innistrad next year, right?
Innistrad has lots of zombies.
Therefore, Rick must be the new Odric!
Just look at the mechanics... It makes perfect sense!
Chances are all of these cards will be in the upcmoing Innistrad with different names, and these will be the alternate art/alternate name preemptively released promo variants!
Riddle solved!
Case closed!
Wait...I think I just figured it out!
We're going back to Innistrad next year, right?
Innistrad has lots of zombies.
Therefore, Rick must be the new Odric!
Just look at the mechanics... It makes perfect sense!
Chances are all of these cards will be in the upcmoing Innistrad with different names, and these will be the alternate art/alternate name preemptively released promo variants!
Riddle solved!
Case closed!
That would be neat haha lets hope someone in WotC read that and include those "previews" in the commander/intro decks for the set
Wait...I think I just figured it out!
We're going back to Innistrad next year, right?
Innistrad has lots of zombies.
Therefore, Rick must be the new Odric!
Just look at the mechanics... It makes perfect sense!
Chances are all of these cards will be in the upcmoing Innistrad with different names, and these will be the alternate art/alternate name preemptively released promo variants!
Riddle solved!
Case closed!
My conspiracy theory here is that a lot, if not all, of this Secret Lair is in Commander Legends. Before the previews got moved, the last day of ordering was the first day of CMR previews. Maximizes the FOMO that way, without randomly throwing card designs to the wind.
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It's a game after all. What's the matter? Afraid the new deck you plan to build with these cards is gonna become absolutely worthless?
You should be.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
1) These break immersion so they shouldn't exist: INVALID.
There are already tons of cards that do this. Additionally, who are you to say what can or can't exist in a game you didn't create? WotC can do whatever they want with their game, and there are plenty of people who think these are cool. Let other people enjoy things, you are not the center of the universe.
2) Slippery slope! They'll obviously print broken cards here eventually: INVALID.
They are VERY clearly aware of the need for limited availability cards to be incredibly safe. They learned their lesson from Nexus. These cards are terrible, and will break zero formats. Also, if these sell well (ie: they have incentive to make more) in spite of being this bad, they have LITERALLY zero reason to amp up the power level. The slippery slope argument is not only fallacious, but wildly illogical to boot.
3) Limited availability is bad! FOMO!: INVALID.
Every Magic product is limited availability. Some more than others. Secret Lairs especially. Is that ideal from a consumer standpoint? No, of course not. Is it probably the most efficient way to meet demand without overprinting and thus wasting money on excess production? Absolutely, which is especially important for short-run products with higher print costs (you get discounts from printers for volume). If you want this you'll buy it. If you don't want this you won't buy it. If you're indecisive and miss the (now generous) window, the secondary market exists and the price of singles in secret lairs has been pretty reasonable across the board outside of a rare few exceptions.
4) What happens if they somehow make a mistake and these become important game pieces!?: INVALID.
They already said they'd reprint them in in-universe form, and that they'd do it Godzilla-style so that there wouldn't be an 8x problem either. They're smart people, have some faith.
5) International availability! Not everyone has equal access!: INVALID.
This is already an issue in Magic. This is nothing new. Countries with access to these might not have access to other things. That's the way the world works. Does it suck? Yes. Is it entirely reasonable given logistics? Absolutely. Will everyone who wants these be able to pick them up second hand? Definitely.
I just can't think of any angle that could validate the level of vitriol surrounding the product other than pure, unadulterated petulance and entitlement. I guess people are inordinately stressed out right now and going stir-crazy in their parents' basement so all of that pent-up frustration has to go somewhere. Its just weird that it goes HERE instead of somewhere more deserving, like the pandemic, or (in the US) the riots, or the election. Hell, within Magic even, you've got Jumpstart shortages and standard bannings that are more worth your time and energy.
A few select counterspells and other hosers will do. My subjective win only requires that those that play with these cards lose.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I kinda like Daryl too. He's definitely HORRIBLE though, that drawback is so bad lol. I think Glen is probably the best one so far, but he's really not very powerful either. Assuming Rick is the last one to be spoiled. Hopefully he references Carl somehow for the meme value.
Is this supposed to be a play on "Let them eat Cake"?
On topic, would anyone really care today if Baron Sengir (a card on the reserved list) was named "Count Dracula" instead?
Look, all they had to do to circumvent the list was print Sengir, the Dark Baron instead!
Similarly, functional or semi-functional reprints of these TWD characters could still be printed at a later date (perhaps even sooner than we realize) with different names, and more importantly perhaps as slightly better cards whose names correspond to "legendary" individuals (who ironically we've never even heard of) on a specific Magic plane, and we could all explore their narratives together! Then, wouldn't everyone be happy and get what they wanted?
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Also, it's hard to take your assessment seriously when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks about parent's basements. Not only are you insulting, but you're dead wrong in my case and likely most others.
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Heck, it might even be the case that I won't have to even dedicate too many resources punking the players that use these in multiplayer formats. Once the cards are played it will be suddenly become an in-house race between players to see who can eliminate the offending creature and/or defeat the player using them first!
Its Secret Lair: Whack-a-Mole!!
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
A problem or "dumpster fire" doesn't exist simply because you and a few other contrarians believe or say it does.
Perhaps put it to a survey here and let's see the results after several thousand votes to at least get a better metric with which to judge the community's reaction.
Targeting and teaming up on specific players early on has always been a thing.
I've felt the flank attacks many times while piloting Kaalia or Grand Arbiter Augustine, but I shouldn't feel pressured to switch decks if I don't want to
The trick is, you make a game out of it...
You and five friends sit down for a game of emperor commander and play Neegan, Grimgrin, and Geth (or Gisa, or Gisa and Geralf) vs Glenn, Michonne, and Darryl!
Wouldn't that be fun?!
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Honestly, the idea that you think you can declare opinions factually valid or invalid is kind of silly.
Also, slippery slope is only a fallacy when you cannot logically justify the progression down the slope, from point A to B etc.
Imagine that, people expect WotC, after making a promise to not do things perceived to be detrimental to the game, to stick to that promise. What a shocker.
Honestly, I don't disagree that people will, and have overreacted at some point, but IMO, trying to gaslight the people who are raising valid points is just gonna make the discussion more heated, not less, especially when made in a way that ignores what actually has been said. Same with the rest of your post, which amounts to running with an incredible strawman, and using it to make all sorts of jabs at players who are very passionate about the situation, jabs that are irrelevant (when they aren't outright name-calling and blind dismissal) to the complaints lodged, as if you were actually rebuking them.
It's the same crap that makes the RL so hard to discuss, the same tendency to respond with extreme poison. It's just as BS there as it is here.
They spoiled rick and hes probably the best of the lot. Just for edh he's incredibly solid, and works for a tribe that doesnt currently have a good tribal commander. And he has multiple relevant abilities for that tribe.
Some say he's a solid finisher in other formats where hes legal too.
So, yep. Already ****ed it up and did exactly what they said they wouldnt, in the first product.
2WW
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
As Rick enters the battlefield, choose two abilities from among first strike, vigilance, and lifelink.
Humans you control have each of the chosen abilities.
As long as you control four or more Humans, humans you control get +2/+2.
3/4
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I think it's reasonable to expect a game that has (at least until now) put its own IP first continues to do so. Until now, playing black-bordered Magic has meant playing with cards that are canon in the Magic universe. Everything outside of that realm was either relegated to silver border or (recently) got the Godzilla "skin" treatment. Now, people are asking why they couldn't choose either of these two options again.
You're right, Wizards can do whatever they want. But that doesn't mean we, the customers, have to like it. Why should I "shut up and continue buying" when I am dissatisfied with the product? And why am I not allowed to voice my displeasure when the product is taking a route that might not enjoy at best and might actually damage the brand in the long run at worst?
Why is the knee-jerk reaction to people going "we don't like this" always "tHey caN do whaTever theY waNt!". Like, the whole argument isn't a legal discussion. It's about whether we like and support where it is going. Wizards could also stuff their boosters with wool instead of cards and sell them at twice the price. Would that be legal? Provided they communicate that on the product, absolutely yes. Would players enjoy that and continue buying the product? Well, apparently some people will but the vast majority won't.
You are right. Ever since Wizards accidentally printed the first broken card they learned their lesson and ever since there have been no broken cards. Lo and behold Magic was cured forever and there was never a broken card ever again. You are very smart.
Pardon me for asking, but how would you know what is or isn't difficult to discuss?
You joined this forum in June, have 5 posts to date, and couldn't even rebuttal me beyond dismissing and calling me a strawman when you can't deny I'm correct in everything I said, so that makes you some sort of expert on the topics of supplemental products for collectors and the Reserved List?
With all due respect, I've been playing off and on for over twenty years, am heavily invested in this game, have more artist-signed cards than everyone you know combined, love and hate many aspects of Magic, and have no major qualms with any product I don't like, want to play with, or want to collect only for the sake of collecting. I simply don't purchase those products and that's that; how any normal person would react.
The only gaslighting going on is from those who cry that "the sky is falling, Magic is slowly dying" every time some new product gets announced or released which rubs them the wrong way. We heard it when dual-faced cards were released, probably when planeswalkers and flip cards were released (though I wasn't playing during Lorwyn or Kamigawa), when rule changes, bannings, and unbannings occurred, etc. Personally, I'm happy with Secret Lair. I get what I want, ignore what I don't, and life goes on. It's certainly better than having to wait in line before the LGS opens on the release day of Commander's Arsenal or From The Vault, then having to win some sort of in-store raffle just to have the opportunity to buy one because stores never had enough supply to accomodate demand. That was a disaster...travelling all the way to a store, waiting, and potentially leaving empty handed because there were no preorders and every store marked the box sets up like crazy. Would you prefer that experience?
Anyway, as we've all already established, it's Their game!
Wizards can design it however they want, and we can play however we want (some even design and print their own custom sets and cubes!), so that's the bottom line. Play with the cards which appeal to you and your friends.
Don't like the design philosophy? Go support another game developer!
Honestly, I see good sales on Xbox One games all the time. I myself was even tempted to download No Man's Sky after the recent update and improved reviews.
Either way, please stop with the hyperbole as nothing "detrimental to the game" has been committed here, and if you honestly perceive these cards as such, it's clear you're too new too the game or simply bad at evaluating card strength in an already powercrept degenerate metagame. This isn't me trying to be righteous, these are the facts. Lastly, I don't know what "promise to not do things" you're referring to. Sounds pretty vague and ambiguous. What year did this occur in? Was it also written on a promo foil scroll inked in Phyrexian scripture and human blood?
I used to be a demigod, but now I'm an omnimage
Last card was unceremoniously dropped on Twitter. If Humans is playable in Legacy, this is this Secret Lair's Nexus of Fate.
It reminds me of early "realistic" video game humans
You would have a point if you didn't actually call for these cards to be made not legal in play. You were advocating to take away something for other players, players you will never meet, and you can expect to be called out for that.
None of this has been true since literally Magic's first expansion.
We're going back to Innistrad next year, right?
Innistrad has lots of zombies.
Therefore, Rick must be the new Odric!
Just look at the mechanics... It makes perfect sense!
Chances are all of these cards will be in the upcmoing Innistrad with different names, and these will be the alternate art/alternate name preemptively released promo variants!
Riddle solved!
Case closed!
I used to be a demigod, but now I'm an omnimage
That would be neat haha lets hope someone in WotC read that and include those "previews" in the commander/intro decks for the set
My conspiracy theory here is that a lot, if not all, of this Secret Lair is in Commander Legends. Before the previews got moved, the last day of ordering was the first day of CMR previews. Maximizes the FOMO that way, without randomly throwing card designs to the wind.