Is this the cycle we wanted completed that we are finally going to get?
I just crossed that on my list of things we were promised! Ultimatums are not that great on constructed and competitive play but our inner power-gamer always wanted them, so yes! Excited for the Jeskai one!
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Is this the cycle we wanted completed that we are finally going to get?
I just crossed that on my list of things we were promised! Ultimatums are not that great on constructed and competitive play but our inner power-gamer always wanted them, so yes! Excited for the Jeskai one!
Cruel Ultimatum was a house in its Standard environment. It often closed games.
Is this the cycle we wanted completed that we are finally going to get?
I just crossed that on my list of things we were promised! Ultimatums are not that great on constructed and competitive play but our inner power-gamer always wanted them, so yes! Excited for the Jeskai one!
Cruel Ultimatum was a house in its Standard environment. It often closed games.
Sure it was, but it was the exception of the exception, unless my mind is playing tricks on me. I think these are a bit more desirable, specially in an ambient with plenty of ramp available, with Risen Reefs and Uros wandering about freely.
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They go to the battlefield directly, not even your hand.
True, but in the case of Seasons Past you can get non permanents.
True, but in Abzan, most often its permanents you want. Plus if its a board clear or something you need, its that much more mana to Seasons Past and then cast it.
Is this the cycle we wanted completed that we are finally going to get?
I just crossed that on my list of things we were promised! Ultimatums are not that great on constructed and competitive play but our inner power-gamer always wanted them, so yes! Excited for the Jeskai one!
Cruel Ultimatum was a house in its Standard environment. It often closed games.
Sure it was, but it was the exception of the exception, unless my mind is playing tricks on me. I think these are a bit more desirable, specially in an ambient with plenty of ramp available, with Risen Reefs and Uros wandering about freely.
I did used to play a copy of Violent Ultimatum in some formats, often as a Burning Wish target, but Cruel Ultimatum was just the ultimate card in the bunch by an immeasurably huge distance.
Never-the-less, I think the point here is that we can both agree Eerie Ultimatum is actually a strong card.
Aw maaaan It was the ultimatum cycle that maro said was finally gonna get complete I was hoping for a land cycle
But is this bannable in commander? I mean you can pretty much get everything out of the graveyard with it (excluding instants and sorcery)
But if the ultimatums we’re getting enemy versions why weren’t they in the edh decks?
While it can get basically everything out of the graveyard (only one copy of each basic, but that's a minor issue), it's also a seven mana, heavily colored spell. Considering stuff like Rise of the Dark Realms and Primeval's Glorious Rebirth are legal, this sort of expensive mass reanimation is strong, but not game breaking. It's similar to Guardian Project in that it's something that interacts well with the singleton nature, but not in a way that breaks anything.
As for why it's not in the commander decks they just released, they specifically said they wanted to avoid doubling up on Rares and Mythics from Ikoria. This has the benefit of both making it so people picking up the new commander decks have ways from the set to personalize them quickly, and also avoiding accidentally putting a constructed chase card into one of the decks, which would mess with their market value.
Also, have to say I wasn't really aware of Jason A. Engles art before TBD, but the constellation arts really got me following his work, and this art just continues the trend. Now I'm hoping he did the art for all of the new ultimata.
Wow,after reading this, why is emergent ultimatum so awful? 2 spells and opponents chooses vs this thing that brings back everything?
Something isn't right here...
Ancient Ultimatum GGBBBWW
Return up to 5 target permanents from your graveyard to the battlefield.
[“If there is one single trait that describes life, it is endurance. Everything that lives finds a way to regrow, and clings to life,” -Angdak, Voice of Mosurag]
The leak even had a mechanic "similar" to mutate (kinda) that it works as a "bestow" attaching the creatures together and granting abilities Merge 1W (This creature becomes an Aura enchantment with enchant creature. Attach it and any number of Auras enchanting it to target creature. Merge only as a sorcery)
The leak "got" the Human token theme for the tribe
Onuwat Dowser 3W
Creature-Human Cleric R
When Onuwat Dowser enters the battlefield, create X 1/1 white Human tokens, where X is the amount of life you’ve gained this turn.
[Where mana flourishes, villages thrive.]
2/3
Narset on Ikoria 1WRU
Legendary Planeswalker - Narset
+1 Add W, R, or U. Spend this mana only to cast noncreature spells.
-2 Draw a card, then discard a card. ~ deals damage to target creature or planeswalker equal to the CMC of the discarded card.
-6 You get an emblem that says "Deal 2 damage to any target when you cast a noncreature spell."
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(hope that if this is not the real narset the real one is better)
I wonder if someone at WotC is spreading "fake news" using real knowledge of new sets.
Wow,after reading this, why is emergent ultimatum so awful? 2 spells and opponents chooses vs this thing that brings back everything?
Something isn't right here...
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
The other ultimatum spells where pretty bad, except Cruel.
This has a chance to see play, simply as a big finisher for standard.
It returns pretty much anything that should win the game immediately or right after.
If you dont, nothing would probably save you.
And it only really works in standard, as any other format "should" have plenty of graveyard removal to handle this (casual EDH decks criminally underplay graveyard hate in general, so they are totally free to suffer from losing to this).
This seems silly in commander. Seven mana to just get back all of my permanents, not just creatures, including the enchantments and the artifacts and the planeswalkers and the lands. Geez, you could even play this after the board got heavily wiped and just come back if nobody cleaned the graveyards.
Wow,after reading this, why is emergent ultimatum so awful? 2 spells and opponents chooses vs this thing that brings back everything?
Something isn't right here...
Well, the Sultai one Tutors 3 cards. This requires a bit of set up to put cards into the graveyard.
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Eerie Ultimatum WWBBBGG
Sorcery, rare
Return any number of permanent cards with different names from your graveyard to your battlefield.
But is this bannable in commander? I mean you can pretty much get everything out of the graveyard with it (excluding instants and sorcery)
But if the ultimatums we’re getting enemy versions why weren’t they in the edh decks?
They go to the battlefield directly, not even your hand.
I just crossed that on my list of things we were promised! Ultimatums are not that great on constructed and competitive play but our inner power-gamer always wanted them, so yes! Excited for the Jeskai one!
Cruel Ultimatum was a house in its Standard environment. It often closed games.
Sure it was, but it was the exception of the exception, unless my mind is playing tricks on me. I think these are a bit more desirable, specially in an ambient with plenty of ramp available, with Risen Reefs and Uros wandering about freely.
True, but in the case of Seasons Past you can get non permanents.
True, but in Abzan, most often its permanents you want. Plus if its a board clear or something you need, its that much more mana to Seasons Past and then cast it.
I think part of the problem there is that some of the original ultimata is that they just weren't good. Cruel Ultimatum had a devastating effect, where as Brilliant Ultimatum, Clarion Ultimatum, or Titanic Ultimatum? Ehhhh.
I did used to play a copy of Violent Ultimatum in some formats, often as a Burning Wish target, but Cruel Ultimatum was just the ultimate card in the bunch by an immeasurably huge distance.
Never-the-less, I think the point here is that we can both agree Eerie Ultimatum is actually a strong card.
As for why it's not in the commander decks they just released, they specifically said they wanted to avoid doubling up on Rares and Mythics from Ikoria. This has the benefit of both making it so people picking up the new commander decks have ways from the set to personalize them quickly, and also avoiding accidentally putting a constructed chase card into one of the decks, which would mess with their market value.
Something isn't right here...
Return up to 5 target permanents from your graveyard to the battlefield.
[“If there is one single trait that describes life, it is endurance. Everything that lives finds a way to regrow, and clings to life,” -Angdak, Voice of Mosurag]
Merge 1W (This creature becomes an Aura enchantment with enchant creature. Attach it and any number of Auras enchanting it to target creature. Merge only as a sorcery)
The leak "got" the Human token theme for the tribe
Creature-Human Cleric R
When Onuwat Dowser enters the battlefield, create X 1/1 white Human tokens, where X is the amount of life you’ve gained this turn.
[Where mana flourishes, villages thrive.]
2/3
and someone even leaked a Narset https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/816488-rumored-narset-in-ikoria
Legendary Planeswalker - Narset
+1 Add W, R, or U. Spend this mana only to cast noncreature spells.
-2 Draw a card, then discard a card. ~ deals damage to target creature or planeswalker equal to the CMC of the discarded card.
-6 You get an emblem that says "Deal 2 damage to any target when you cast a noncreature spell."
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(hope that if this is not the real narset the real one is better)
I wonder if someone at WotC is spreading "fake news" using real knowledge of new sets.
Well, that one's a tutor. There's a reason Gifts Ungiven was ridiculous and Deliver unto Evil wasn't.
This has a chance to see play, simply as a big finisher for standard.
It returns pretty much anything that should win the game immediately or right after.
If you dont, nothing would probably save you.
And it only really works in standard, as any other format "should" have plenty of graveyard removal to handle this (casual EDH decks criminally underplay graveyard hate in general, so they are totally free to suffer from losing to this).
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Compare to Violent Ultimatum.
Between this and all the powerful new commanders,
I *really* want to build an Abzan deck now!
Just need to decide between Nethroi, Apex of Death or Kathril, Aspect Warper...
Well, the Sultai one Tutors 3 cards. This requires a bit of set up to put cards into the graveyard.
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