Oh ***, they are probably real "proxy cards" made by wizards, the artist names and styles match, and the lack of legendary frame on Godzilla and Caesar is probably because the real card in the collection is not a legendary creature and are uncommon. Stil the lack of Tohei or Sony logos is kinda off (maybe they come before 2020 WOTC (bottom right) and due to low quality we can't see ...)
So, if these are real, does that mean we can officially confirm that this set is a wedge set? It's cut off in the picture but with the [U/B] hybrid on the activated ability that card is definitely BUG in color identity, if not in casting cost.
It's cut off in the picture but with the [U/B] hybrid on the activated ability that card is definitely BUG in color identity, if not in casting cost.
It's probably BUG in the casting cost too. One mana symbol is cut off by the other card
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Box toppers are actual cards in the set, with alt art and an extra name line, like someone replacing snapcaster mage's art with megaman. (i.e. Brokkos, Apex of Eternity is the actual name of the magic card, the just added space godzilla art and a name line so people would get the reference.)
Licesning the names and likenesses would be the sticking point, but I could see them getting a reasonable price to do so because it promotes the old kaiju movies for their rightsholders.
Box toppers are actual cards in the set, with alt art and an extra name line
... i mean it's not playing the devil's advocate, it's what it is. Weird how half of the posters here didn't get it, THESE ARE REAL BUT THEY ARE NOT THE "REAL" CARDS, but they are basically official altered arts
How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
It does look legit, it's just altered art with a "different" name, the card is still the same you just get different art depicting kaijus, man if this is indeed real I hope to see KING GHIDORAH getting one
The dinosaur in the middle has a jet fighter shooting at it... No way this is real.
Point outs
1 Hasbro does infact got the thumbs up from Toho to use the monster characters
2 king Caesar (whatever the creature actually name in the set) the text matches one of Maro’s teasers in Ikoria
3 the dinosaur with cycling Gavin’s teaser was 8-mechanics coming back
4 they said they are doing the box topper like never seen before this fits big time
5 as leslak pointed out the artist on each of the cards match their style and are proxy’s by wizards
6 two are not legendary but on further inspection the6 are uncommon and are probabl6 regular creatures in the sets
7 and ofcoarse you can’t find those images anyway
By the way there are multiple Godzilla’s to choose from they probably have the best one for a mythic alt art and alt name (if real anyway)
But that's not playing Devil's Advocate; that's just good reasoning, as opposed to being arrogant and saying "ThEy'Re FaKeS xD" outta nowhere. And we could have many more of those creatures, since it looks like the numbers on Godzilla/Titanote Rex looks like 377 and King Caesar/Tigre Mestre de Caça looks like a 370.
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But that's not playing Devil's Advocate; that's just good reasoning, as opposed to being arrogant and saying "ThEy'Re FaKeS xD" outta nowhere. And we could have many more of those creatures, since it looks like the numbers on Godzilla/Titanote Rex looks like 377 and King Caesar/Tigre Mestre de Caça looks like a 370.
It feels very rare that someone posts fake leaks here on purpose just to try to spread misinformation. The closest I remember in the last couple of years was that fake War of the Spark leak which had a fake proliferate card and a fake hybrid card, both of which had mechanics that ended up being in the final set.
People are way too willing to say something that is outlandish or strange is fake. Magic in the last couple of years has been nothing if not full of weird, unheard of cards and mechanics.
if they are real, its kind of *****ty crossrover promotion to use godzilla art on cards that aren't, you know, godzilla.
i also don't like what any of them do. putting keywords on counters is an interesting idea i suppose, but that's going to be a ***** to track. i don't find these all that interesting at all.
WotC promised two crazy mechanics... I can't imagine keyword counters being crazy, and while we don't know what mutate does, I fail to see how activated ability, maybe similar to bestow is crazy... I don't know, we'll see.
People are way too willing to say something that is outlandish or strange is fake. Magic in the last couple of years has been nothing if not full of weird, unheard of cards and mechanics.
It's more like people didn't even understood what they were. Yeah, as actual cards, they would totally be the fakest fake. As a promo box topper, they are plausible
i also don't like what any of them do. putting keywords on counters is an interesting idea i suppose, but that's going to be a ***** to track. i don't find these all that interesting at all.
keyword counters are a pretty old news
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
I better see thr following get this too (or hopefully)
Another Godzilla (but this one is a legendary and there are multiple variations)
King gidorah/Mecha
Megalon
Mothra/Battra
Megaguirus
Orga
Titanosaurus
King Kong
Rodan
Anguirus
Destoroyah
Gigan
Baragon
Biollante
Scylla/Kumonga
Hedorah (if there’s oozes in the set)
Any Mecha Godzilla/M.O.G.U.E.R.A./jet jaguar (all if constructs are findable in Ikoria)
And finally MUTOS
People are way too willing to say something that is outlandish or strange is fake. Magic in the last couple of years has been nothing if not full of weird, unheard of cards and mechanics.
It's more like people didn't even understood what they were. Yeah, as actual cards, they would totally be the fakest fake. As a promo box topper, they are plausible
i also don't like what any of them do. putting keywords on counters is an interesting idea i suppose, but that's going to be a ***** to track. i don't find these all that interesting at all.
keyword counters are a pretty old news
i know, and my statement still stands. its sloppy design because it necessitates so much more in terms of what else is needed to play the game. imagine your edh pod where someone is throwing around -1/-1 counters, +1/+1 counters, tokens, loyalty counters, keyword counters, and any other counter you can think of. that's a lot physical representation that can easily be confused for other things unless you're using specific markers to represent them, and that's just more crap you have to have on you for games. i think there's some valid reasons why this kind of thing hasn't really been done before, and i don't find it all that interesting in its own right.
While I personally believe that this is real, I’m a bit confused as to why people think that “cycling” is a point to realism?
Gavin did say that 8 mechanics would be returning... in the commander decks... which I doubt that these box-toppers are from.
Further, it sounds like people would be making the same claim to realism for a wide array of mechanics that could’ve returned back. I don’t recall anything being said about cycling in particular.
As for the cards themselves... Using box toppers that point out the reference is an interesting experiment... though it seems like a bizarre tonal shift. If this is revisited on a regular basis, things get kind of odd.
Really not sure how I would feel about the game if players can target King Cesar (Tiger Maetre) with Plug Into the Matrix (Oblivion Ring) so I can use Victor Frankenstein (Stitcher Gerald) in peace.
While the references always lie under the surface, getting too blatant makes things feel like they don’t fully fit together (See: fighter jets attacking Godzilla) and would be distracting in tournament coverage... unless wizards outright outlaws these boxtoppers in tournaments... which would, again, be strange.
On the other hand, this technique could be used to decent effect to “reprint” land-cycles with plane-specific names (such as the allied fast-land cycle from scars of mirodin), to sneak in a reprint of a dead character through similarity to a new character, and so forth.
I don’t oppose this approach out of hand but this particular example seems a bit out there.
While I personally believe that this is real, I’m a bit confused as to why people think that “cycling” is a point to realism?
Gavin did say that 8 mechanics would be returning... in the commander decks... which I doubt that these box-toppers are from.
Further, it sounds like people would be making the same claim to realism for a wide array of mechanics that could’ve returned back. I don’t recall anything being said about cycling in particular.
I think that maybe 1 or 2 of the returned mechanics are in the main set, he did not say that all 8 returned mechanics are exclusive to the commander decks.
Also one saids cycle ability one of Gavin’s hints was 8 returning mechanics cycling is pretty popular and a cycling legend was a huge request from the commander fans
This might be the wrong place to ask this, but why would CMD players want cycling Legends?
You can only cycle from your hand. Of course WotC could introduce something à la Commander Ninjutsu and call it Commander Cycling
(even though that would be weird given how it sounds reminiscent of Forestcycling or Wizardcycling, where you still can only cycle from your hand and the name would then suggest you could search for your commander if it somehow ended up in your library)
, but would that even count as a returning mechanic then?
I hope these are fake. I'm probably in the minority but these are vomit inducing.
When silver bordered Transformers and My Little Pony was featured, it wasn't a big deal. They're silver bordered cards. Those cards are meant to be a little silly. When WotC had nods to DnD. Sure, I can live with that because they weren't too outrageously "in your face". And DnD and MtG are pretty close in the same genre anyways.
But Godzilla? Are you kidding? That's not MtG, it's Godzilla.
Don't get me wrong. I like Godzilla. But I'm going to call <snip> if they release a movie and Jace shows up next to Godzilla, cracks a Black Lotus, casts a Giant Growth then a Timewalk to save the day.
So I'm calling <snip> on legal playable Godzilla art cards in Magic the Gathering.
IMHO, this literally screams that Wizards and Hasbro doesn't have enough faith in their own IP to be able to allow it to stand on it's own. That they have to dip into other IP to make a buck off their game. Should've guessed it when MLP MtG cards were printed but I genuinely never thought that WotC would make other IP a box topper.
People are way too willing to say something that is outlandish or strange is fake. Magic in the last couple of years has been nothing if not full of weird, unheard of cards and mechanics.
It's more like people didn't even understood what they were. Yeah, as actual cards, they would totally be the fakest fake. As a promo box topper, they are plausible
i also don't like what any of them do. putting keywords on counters is an interesting idea i suppose, but that's going to be a ***** to track. i don't find these all that interesting at all.
keyword counters are a pretty old news
i know, and my statement still stands. its sloppy design because it necessitates so much more in terms of what else is needed to play the game. imagine your edh pod where someone is throwing around -1/-1 counters, +1/+1 counters, tokens, loyalty counters, keyword counters, and any other counter you can think of. that's a lot physical representation that can easily be confused for other things unless you're using specific markers to represent them, and that's just more crap you have to have on you for games. i think there's some valid reasons why this kind of thing hasn't really been done before, and i don't find it all that interesting in its own right.
Yeah, when the mention of so many "counters" matters in a set was dropped, I had my suspicions. I'm betting there is going to be another huge errata update to change many of the cards that grant X or Y abilities to dropping counters instead.
An interesting potential mechanic but you hit the nail on the head. I've encountered too many players that can't keep track of N+ different counters. Now Wizards wants to throw even more? So we're going to get those stupid tear-up cards like Amonkhet that no-one really liked?
Admittedly, I wouldn't use EDH as an example since most EDH decks I encounter severely limit their counters types to just a small few. But Standard players? Yeah, they tend to have difficulties. No offense to any Standard players.
I'm considering canceling my boxes order this go around.
I would be so excited to make a Mothra or Rodan commander deck, I don't have a lot of faith in these as real things but hell they'd sell me some fancy cards
Just the fact that Godzilla wasn't put on a Legendary card has me skeptical that this could even be "WOTC altered cards"
Also the fact that people don't know how to take proper pictures of MTG cards in 2020 just reminds me that humans as a race of beings ought to remain humble
As much as I would like to say these are fake I can't imagine a person(s) to go to so much trouble for something like this, from making realistic reading and looking cards and then foiling them.
For those that seem to be stuck on the Godzilla part the fact that these cards have another name just below them would lend more credence to these being incredibly elaborate promo versions of what will be actual cards. To those feeling that "these aren't MTG" then I'm just wondering why changing the art on a card would suddenly classify these as "not MTG" in your minds. Personally, I thought those zombie promo versions of the Gatewatch were far worse than these (but that could be me and having been super tired of the whole zombie fad at the time.)
If these are real, which I'm leaning that they are, this is just art with a secondary name on it and if people are going to feel that the art on a card doesn't make it a Magic card then I'm going to point you to the art of Grasp of the Hieromancer or Serpentine Spike with CG that even an early 2000s movie would be ashamed of. Now THAT art isn't MTG.
TL:DR These look real and what we're seeing here are just promos. Nothing more, nothing less. There's also rather strange outrage over these.
I would be so excited to make a Mothra or Rodan commander deck, I don't have a lot of faith in these as real things but hell they'd sell me some fancy cards
The best part of this is that we won't need to make a flavorful Mothra EDH deck: We can just make it a REAL EDH Mothra deck!
Also the fact that people don't know how to take proper pictures of MTG cards in 2020 just reminds me that humans as a race of beings out to remain humble
This.
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Well i guess they are not fake.
They should have been legendary.
It's probably BUG in the casting cost too. One mana symbol is cut off by the other card
Box toppers are actual cards in the set, with alt art and an extra name line, like someone replacing snapcaster mage's art with megaman. (i.e. Brokkos, Apex of Eternity is the actual name of the magic card, the just added space godzilla art and a name line so people would get the reference.)
Licesning the names and likenesses would be the sticking point, but I could see them getting a reasonable price to do so because it promotes the old kaiju movies for their rightsholders.
Point outs
1 Hasbro does infact got the thumbs up from Toho to use the monster characters
2 king Caesar (whatever the creature actually name in the set) the text matches one of Maro’s teasers in Ikoria
3 the dinosaur with cycling Gavin’s teaser was 8-mechanics coming back
4 they said they are doing the box topper like never seen before this fits big time
5 as leslak pointed out the artist on each of the cards match their style and are proxy’s by wizards
6 two are not legendary but on further inspection the6 are uncommon and are probabl6 regular creatures in the sets
7 and ofcoarse you can’t find those images anyway
By the way there are multiple Godzilla’s to choose from they probably have the best one for a mythic alt art and alt name (if real anyway)
... i mean it's not playing the devil's advocate, it's what it is. Weird how half of the posters here didn't get it, THESE ARE REAL BUT THEY ARE NOT THE "REAL" CARDS, but they are basically official altered arts
But that's not playing Devil's Advocate; that's just good reasoning, as opposed to being arrogant and saying "ThEy'Re FaKeS xD" outta nowhere. And we could have many more of those creatures, since it looks like the numbers on Godzilla/Titanote Rex looks like 377 and King Caesar/Tigre Mestre de Caça looks like a 370.
It feels very rare that someone posts fake leaks here on purpose just to try to spread misinformation. The closest I remember in the last couple of years was that fake War of the Spark leak which had a fake proliferate card and a fake hybrid card, both of which had mechanics that ended up being in the final set.
People are way too willing to say something that is outlandish or strange is fake. Magic in the last couple of years has been nothing if not full of weird, unheard of cards and mechanics.
if they are real, its kind of *****ty crossrover promotion to use godzilla art on cards that aren't, you know, godzilla.
i also don't like what any of them do. putting keywords on counters is an interesting idea i suppose, but that's going to be a ***** to track. i don't find these all that interesting at all.
It's more like people didn't even understood what they were. Yeah, as actual cards, they would totally be the fakest fake. As a promo box topper, they are plausible
keyword counters are a pretty old news
Besides space Godzilla, godzilla and king Caesar
I better see thr following get this too (or hopefully)
Another Godzilla (but this one is a legendary and there are multiple variations)
King gidorah/Mecha
Megalon
Mothra/Battra
Megaguirus
Orga
Titanosaurus
King Kong
Rodan
Anguirus
Destoroyah
Gigan
Baragon
Biollante
Scylla/Kumonga
Hedorah (if there’s oozes in the set)
Any Mecha Godzilla/M.O.G.U.E.R.A./jet jaguar (all if constructs are findable in Ikoria)
And finally MUTOS
i know, and my statement still stands. its sloppy design because it necessitates so much more in terms of what else is needed to play the game. imagine your edh pod where someone is throwing around -1/-1 counters, +1/+1 counters, tokens, loyalty counters, keyword counters, and any other counter you can think of. that's a lot physical representation that can easily be confused for other things unless you're using specific markers to represent them, and that's just more crap you have to have on you for games. i think there's some valid reasons why this kind of thing hasn't really been done before, and i don't find it all that interesting in its own right.
Gavin did say that 8 mechanics would be returning... in the commander decks... which I doubt that these box-toppers are from.
Further, it sounds like people would be making the same claim to realism for a wide array of mechanics that could’ve returned back. I don’t recall anything being said about cycling in particular.
As for the cards themselves... Using box toppers that point out the reference is an interesting experiment... though it seems like a bizarre tonal shift. If this is revisited on a regular basis, things get kind of odd.
Really not sure how I would feel about the game if players can target King Cesar (Tiger Maetre) with Plug Into the Matrix (Oblivion Ring) so I can use Victor Frankenstein (Stitcher Gerald) in peace.
While the references always lie under the surface, getting too blatant makes things feel like they don’t fully fit together (See: fighter jets attacking Godzilla) and would be distracting in tournament coverage... unless wizards outright outlaws these boxtoppers in tournaments... which would, again, be strange.
On the other hand, this technique could be used to decent effect to “reprint” land-cycles with plane-specific names (such as the allied fast-land cycle from scars of mirodin), to sneak in a reprint of a dead character through similarity to a new character, and so forth.
I don’t oppose this approach out of hand but this particular example seems a bit out there.
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I think that maybe 1 or 2 of the returned mechanics are in the main set, he did not say that all 8 returned mechanics are exclusive to the commander decks.
This might be the wrong place to ask this, but why would CMD players want cycling Legends?
You can only cycle from your hand. Of course WotC could introduce something à la Commander Ninjutsu and call it Commander Cycling
(even though that would be weird given how it sounds reminiscent of Forestcycling or Wizardcycling, where you still can only cycle from your hand and the name would then suggest you could search for your commander if it somehow ended up in your library)
, but would that even count as a returning mechanic then?
When silver bordered Transformers and My Little Pony was featured, it wasn't a big deal. They're silver bordered cards. Those cards are meant to be a little silly. When WotC had nods to DnD. Sure, I can live with that because they weren't too outrageously "in your face". And DnD and MtG are pretty close in the same genre anyways.
But Godzilla? Are you kidding? That's not MtG, it's Godzilla.
Don't get me wrong. I like Godzilla. But I'm going to call <snip> if they release a movie and Jace shows up next to Godzilla, cracks a Black Lotus, casts a Giant Growth then a Timewalk to save the day.
So I'm calling <snip> on legal playable Godzilla art cards in Magic the Gathering.
IMHO, this literally screams that Wizards and Hasbro doesn't have enough faith in their own IP to be able to allow it to stand on it's own. That they have to dip into other IP to make a buck off their game. Should've guessed it when MLP MtG cards were printed but I genuinely never thought that WotC would make other IP a box topper.
Yeah, when the mention of so many "counters" matters in a set was dropped, I had my suspicions. I'm betting there is going to be another huge errata update to change many of the cards that grant X or Y abilities to dropping counters instead.
An interesting potential mechanic but you hit the nail on the head. I've encountered too many players that can't keep track of N+ different counters. Now Wizards wants to throw even more? So we're going to get those stupid tear-up cards like Amonkhet that no-one really liked?
Admittedly, I wouldn't use EDH as an example since most EDH decks I encounter severely limit their counters types to just a small few. But Standard players? Yeah, they tend to have difficulties. No offense to any Standard players.
I'm considering canceling my boxes order this go around.
Just the fact that Godzilla wasn't put on a Legendary card has me skeptical that this could even be "WOTC altered cards"
Also the fact that people don't know how to take proper pictures of MTG cards in 2020 just reminds me that humans as a race of beings ought to remain humble
For those that seem to be stuck on the Godzilla part the fact that these cards have another name just below them would lend more credence to these being incredibly elaborate promo versions of what will be actual cards. To those feeling that "these aren't MTG" then I'm just wondering why changing the art on a card would suddenly classify these as "not MTG" in your minds. Personally, I thought those zombie promo versions of the Gatewatch were far worse than these (but that could be me and having been super tired of the whole zombie fad at the time.)
If these are real, which I'm leaning that they are, this is just art with a secondary name on it and if people are going to feel that the art on a card doesn't make it a Magic card then I'm going to point you to the art of Grasp of the Hieromancer or Serpentine Spike with CG that even an early 2000s movie would be ashamed of. Now THAT art isn't MTG.
TL:DR These look real and what we're seeing here are just promos. Nothing more, nothing less. There's also rather strange outrage over these.
Why would you preorder a product blindly if you are going to cancel the order over any minor thing?
The best part of this is that we won't need to make a flavorful Mothra EDH deck: We can just make it a REAL EDH Mothra deck!
This.