Alot. I think that so many of the new cards have only hurt modern.
I have heard cases for even banning wrenn and six as it is only a matter of time before that already busted card becomes an ever present super powerful force in the format. Urza wasnt even that hindered by the mox opal ban. Its very reminiscent of the bridge ban which didnt do anything to hogaak but this time the mox ban killed several decks ability to even compete.
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Why is there always that one vote for twin unban. Its not going to happen, its a way overpowered strat that can lucksac into winning way too easy and is very hard to hate successfully against without dedicating lots of space to defeating it and only it.
Twin was never around with Fatal Push. The fact that the deck hasn’t done anything with Kiki-Jiki who dies to bolt shows that the strategy isn’t overpowered. And after Twin was banned we had to suffer through the worst period of modern history with the Eldrazi winter.
It’s not hard to play enchantment and creature removal or counterspells in modern.
Also, so many cards have entered the modern pool since the Twin ban. Fatal Push, BBE, Jace, Teferi, Eldrazi, AT, veil of summer, cards in modern horizons and M20 that seem like they were printed specifically to be Twin hate, ect.
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JundBGR
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Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I stopped playing modern and started hosting Pioneer at the shop....and at every dang Pioneer event there's more than half the players playing that inverter deck....I really hope Inverter gets the ban.
I'm with you on this one. At the minimum Dig Through Time needs to eat a ban.
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I'm going to do a legit table flip if Ballista gets banned........
I feel you. It's Heliod's fault, not Ballista. Create a problem and not deal with the problem, find a scapegoat. It's the way things go now.
Is the deck/combo even putting up great results? It doesn't seem like it gets the attention of Breach decks or Inverter decks. Funny that all three use a TBD card.
Once Upon a Time should probably be banned from Modern as a belated "let's erase this from the game" move.
This Heliod is catchable with collected company and that card is also pioneer legal so could make waves if built right however the balistia cannont be captured with it though
Right, but has a Heliod+Company deck shown up (and put up results) in Pioneer? The fact that Ballista isn't coco-friendly hurts it. Heliod+Spike Feeder + CoCo in modern might be a thing, but clearly not enough of a thing to get any pieces banned yet.
The problem with modern is that there are too many powerful cards. You ban one thing, then something else rises. Then you ban that thing and something else takes its place.
Modern is a flawed format in nature and I don't think it can ever be particularly stable anymore. There was a time that yes, it was pretty stable. But that time has long since past with the constant printing of insanely over powered cards with horrible designs.
I'm almost at the point to think that everything should be unbanned and embrace the format with all it's brokenness if you're into that sort of thing.
However since that's unlikely to happen, my vote goes to:
Modern
Urza, Lord Artificer
Griselbrand
Amulet of Vigor
Heliod (3 mana one)
OUaT
Veil of Summer
Pioneer
Dig Through Time
Breach
Legacy
Breach
Oko, Thief of Crowns
Standard
I would consider Teferi ban worthy for what's left of his shelf life. It's been a bit of a miserable card to have to play against for it's entire existence. But wouldn't be mad if they didn't.
And yes i agree they should do mass unbans. But for slightly different reaaons. I think modern is relatively under powered. Resulting in any relatively stronger card going amok. Another problem that excabates thw issue is that of the fast print rate plus fast ban rate, things are untested and of course the better decks will reign. Add the effect of players tending to net deck rather than innovate and you get the ugly scene we see now
Hear that? That's the sound of the price of Splinter Twin falling and the resonating grumble of people who thought it would be unbanned (in Modern) but wasn't.
All I know is that my borderless Oko isn't as sexy as it used to be.
Once upon a Time BANNED in Modern
Underworld Breach BANNED in Legacy
Nothing much to talk about except I should've unloaded my OuaT cards before today. Oh well....
No fun Unbannings and the big problems in Pioneer seem to avoid everything.
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I have heard cases for even banning wrenn and six as it is only a matter of time before that already busted card becomes an ever present super powerful force in the format. Urza wasnt even that hindered by the mox opal ban. Its very reminiscent of the bridge ban which didnt do anything to hogaak but this time the mox ban killed several decks ability to even compete.
RUAffinityUR
GMono Green StompyG
CEldrazi TronC
URWJeskai GeistWRU
WRBoros BurnRW
BRWMardu PyromancerWRB
Twin was never around with Fatal Push. The fact that the deck hasn’t done anything with Kiki-Jiki who dies to bolt shows that the strategy isn’t overpowered. And after Twin was banned we had to suffer through the worst period of modern history with the Eldrazi winter.
It’s not hard to play enchantment and creature removal or counterspells in modern.
Also, so many cards have entered the modern pool since the Twin ban. Fatal Push, BBE, Jace, Teferi, Eldrazi, AT, veil of summer, cards in modern horizons and M20 that seem like they were printed specifically to be Twin hate, ect.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I'm with you on this one. At the minimum Dig Through Time needs to eat a ban.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Right, but has a Heliod+Company deck shown up (and put up results) in Pioneer? The fact that Ballista isn't coco-friendly hurts it. Heliod+Spike Feeder + CoCo in modern might be a thing, but clearly not enough of a thing to get any pieces banned yet.
Modern is a flawed format in nature and I don't think it can ever be particularly stable anymore. There was a time that yes, it was pretty stable. But that time has long since past with the constant printing of insanely over powered cards with horrible designs.
I'm almost at the point to think that everything should be unbanned and embrace the format with all it's brokenness if you're into that sort of thing.
However since that's unlikely to happen, my vote goes to:
Modern
Urza, Lord Artificer
Griselbrand
Amulet of Vigor
Heliod (3 mana one)
OUaT
Veil of Summer
Pioneer
Dig Through Time
Breach
Legacy
Breach
Oko, Thief of Crowns
Standard
I would consider Teferi ban worthy for what's left of his shelf life. It's been a bit of a miserable card to have to play against for it's entire existence. But wouldn't be mad if they didn't.
If you gonna hit 'em, hit 'em hard.
And yes i agree they should do mass unbans. But for slightly different reaaons. I think modern is relatively under powered. Resulting in any relatively stronger card going amok. Another problem that excabates thw issue is that of the fast print rate plus fast ban rate, things are untested and of course the better decks will reign. Add the effect of players tending to net deck rather than innovate and you get the ugly scene we see now
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/march-9-2020-banned-and-restricted-announcement
Brawl
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim - Banned
Historic (mtg arena)
All went from suspended to banned (oko cannot catch a break)
field of the dead went from suspended to legal
Legacy
Underworld Breach - Banned (I told you guys this card was bonkers)
Modern
Once Upon a Time - Banned (back to Ancient Stirrings people)
And that’s it
The said they letting the Heliod and balistia combo stay in pioneer
All I know is that my borderless Oko isn't as sexy as it used to be.
At least I have my showcase foil Klothys, God of Destiny to be proud of.
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Once upon a Time BANNED in Modern
Underworld Breach BANNED in Legacy
Nothing much to talk about except I should've unloaded my OuaT cards before today. Oh well....
No fun Unbannings and the big problems in Pioneer seem to avoid everything.
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