MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
So playing a land with Yarok out will have you double the trigger.
Oh cool, so double not "+1" trigger. So, if I have 100 permanents that cares about things entering the battlefield and I put a permanent on play, all those 100 cards triggers a double time. The Panaharmonicon works at the same way right?
No, both add a trigger, not "Double" triggers. But, each trigger triggers an additional time which means that with only Yarok, "additional" and "double" are effectively the same thing. With Yarok and 100 Rampaging Baloths, you will get 200 triggers to create Beasts when a land enters.
Yeah sorry I mis-wrote. What I meant is that Yarok and Pan make every card you control that trigger when something ETB, triggering again their abilities all of them at same time and not just to choose only one of them.
But I was wondering : if Yarok actually got the text "Whenever a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.", would the example of the 100 Baloths works exactly in the same way, so that "If / whenever" have synonymous meaning for this matter?
Okay, not fully sure if this is how it works but wouldn't Yarok and Panharmonicon go Infinite? Cause the way I see it is that you play a creature or artifact with an ETB effect, Panharmonicon goes off, then Yarok, and then it spirals out of control from their due to how they're wording.
No, only one permanent is entering the battlefield. Yarok and Pan will cause any etb trigger to activate two extra times. Example: Acidic Slime enters the battlefield with Yarok and Panharmonicon out already.
Slime's etb trigger triggers, causing both other cards to trigger as well.
Slime's etb trigger activates a second time due to Panharmonicon
Slime's etb trigger activates a third time due to Yarok
While the answer is correct, the terminology is misleading. To be absolutely clear:
Neither Yarok nor Pan have triggers. They have effects that just say a trigger triggers again.
And, triggers never activate; activated abilities never trigger. While it seems pedantic to mention, Rings of Brighthearth and Illusionist's Bracers are cards and mixing the two up leads to misconceptions about what those cards apply to.
I might be missing something but aren't Yavok and Pan's triggered abillities? Cause both of their wording is based on ETB Triggers, and both of them are being triggered right? Not to mention one of the rulings for Pan is, and I quote
Panharmonicon affects an artifact or creature’s own enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities as well as other triggered abilities that would trigger when an artifact or creature enters the battlefield. Such triggered abilities start with “when” or “whenever.”
Okay, not fully sure if this is how it works but wouldn't Yarok and Panharmonicon go Infinite? Cause the way I see it is that you play a creature or artifact with an ETB effect, Panharmonicon goes off, then Yarok, and then it spirals out of control from their due to how they're wording.
No, only one permanent is entering the battlefield. Yarok and Pan will cause any etb trigger to activate two extra times. Example: Acidic Slime enters the battlefield with Yarok and Panharmonicon out already.
Slime's etb trigger triggers, causing both other cards to trigger as well.
Slime's etb trigger activates a second time due to Panharmonicon
Slime's etb trigger activates a third time due to Yarok
While the answer is correct, the terminology is misleading. To be absolutely clear:
Neither Yarok nor Pan have triggers. They have effects that just say a trigger triggers again.
And, triggers never activate; activated abilities never trigger. While it seems pedantic to mention, Rings of Brighthearth and Illusionist's Bracers are cards and mixing the two up leads to misconceptions about what those cards apply to.
I might be missing something but aren't Yavok and Pan's triggered abillities? Cause both of their wording is based on ETB Triggers, and both of them are being triggered right? Not to mention one of the rulings for Pan is, and I quote
Panharmonicon affects an artifact or creature’s own enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities as well as other triggered abilities that would trigger when an artifact or creature enters the battlefield. Such triggered abilities start with “when” or “whenever.”
triggered abilities always start with the words "when", "whenever", or "at." (It even says as much in the ruling you quoted)
neither Panharmonicon nor Yavok's ability are a triggered ability as defined by the game rules.
I know it can be a little confusing to those unfamiliar with the rules, because we tend to think "if-then" statements sound like a trigger, but that is not the case as far as the rules are concerned. the key is to always look for one of those three words, similar in concept to how activated abilities are always templated as "[cost] : [effect]".
Okay, not fully sure if this is how it works but wouldn't Yarok and Panharmonicon go Infinite? Cause the way I see it is that you play a creature or artifact with an ETB effect, Panharmonicon goes off, then Yarok, and then it spirals out of control from their due to how they're wording.
No, only one permanent is entering the battlefield. Yarok and Pan will cause any etb trigger to activate two extra times. Example: Acidic Slime enters the battlefield with Yarok and Panharmonicon out already.
Slime's etb trigger triggers, causing both other cards to trigger as well.
Slime's etb trigger activates a second time due to Panharmonicon
Slime's etb trigger activates a third time due to Yarok
While the answer is correct, the terminology is misleading. To be absolutely clear:
Neither Yarok nor Pan have triggers. They have effects that just say a trigger triggers again.
And, triggers never activate; activated abilities never trigger. While it seems pedantic to mention, Rings of Brighthearth and Illusionist's Bracers are cards and mixing the two up leads to misconceptions about what those cards apply to.
I might be missing something but aren't Yavok and Pan's triggered abillities? Cause both of their wording is based on ETB Triggers, and both of them are being triggered right? Not to mention one of the rulings for Pan is, and I quote
Panharmonicon affects an artifact or creature’s own enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities as well as other triggered abilities that would trigger when an artifact or creature enters the battlefield. Such triggered abilities start with “when” or “whenever.”
triggered abilities always start with the words "when", "whenever", or "at." (It even says as much in the ruling you quoted)
neither Panharmonicon nor Yavok's ability are a triggered ability as defined by the game rules.
Thank you, just making sure cause I was both confused and concerned
Ok wait a minute I thought Temur's legendary was supposed to be the elemental. Those sneaky Sultai people running off with other people's creatures they wanted to support.
Muldrotha: Better stats, higher CMC, no keywords, powerful but linear graveyard effect.
Yarok: Lower CMC, two relevant keywords, but a much more complicated effect than Muldrotha. Also requires a very specific build to be effective.
Not particularly my cup of tea, to be honest. I'd rather just play a flicker deck - much more straightforward than this.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
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Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
Alas, poor Yarok!
Muldrotha will keep you in good company.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
but seriously now we need a GWUB etb/blink legendary now since now we have blink legends for esper, bant and now sultai.
Yeah sorry I mis-wrote. What I meant is that Yarok and Pan make every card you control that trigger when something ETB, triggering again their abilities all of them at same time and not just to choose only one of them.
But I was wondering : if Yarok actually got the text "Whenever a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.", would the example of the 100 Baloths works exactly in the same way, so that "If / whenever" have synonymous meaning for this matter?
I might be missing something but aren't Yavok and Pan's triggered abillities? Cause both of their wording is based on ETB Triggers, and both of them are being triggered right? Not to mention one of the rulings for Pan is, and I quote
triggered abilities always start with the words "when", "whenever", or "at." (It even says as much in the ruling you quoted)
neither Panharmonicon nor Yavok's ability are a triggered ability as defined by the game rules.
I know it can be a little confusing to those unfamiliar with the rules, because we tend to think "if-then" statements sound like a trigger, but that is not the case as far as the rules are concerned. the key is to always look for one of those three words, similar in concept to how activated abilities are always templated as "[cost] : [effect]".
Thank you, just making sure cause I was both confused and concerned
Yarok: Lower CMC, two relevant keywords, but a much more complicated effect than Muldrotha. Also requires a very specific build to be effective.
Not particularly my cup of tea, to be honest. I'd rather just play a flicker deck - much more straightforward than this.
GWUBRDraft my Old Border Nostalgia Cube! and/or The Little Pauper Cube That Could!RBUWG
Modern:WDeath & TaxesW | RUGRUG DelverRUG
Build essentially a Prime Speaker Vannifar/Birthing Pod deck.
Pod-chain to Palinchron. Goes infinite with Yarok, the Desecrated and at least 6 mana amongst lands (floating mana between untap triggers).
Sink your infinite mana into Mindshrieker.
*Jazz hands*
Many thanks to DNC at Heroes of the Plane Studios
*sympathetically pats Yarok's shoulder*
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.