And lots of people are predictably, and somewhat justifiably, very annoyed by this because there's no good reason to name it Fountain of Ichor if they didn't want to invoke speculation - the word doesn't even have anything to do with oil outside of MTG's use of it as an alias for Glistening Oil. If you draw your definition from English in general, it's a badly chosen nonsense name. If you draw your definition from the context of MTG, it's yet another obnoxious red-herring meant to stir speculation, which I would have thought they would learn to do better or not do at all by now.
How could they call it to avoid the issue? Fountain of Oil would be even worse...
And lots of people are predictably, and somewhat justifiably, very annoyed by this because there's no good reason to name it Fountain of Ichor if they didn't want to invoke speculation - the word doesn't even have anything to do with oil outside of MTG's use of it as an alias for Glistening Oil. If you draw your definition from English in general, it's a badly chosen nonsense name. If you draw your definition from the context of MTG, it's yet another obnoxious red-herring meant to stir speculation, which I would have thought they would learn to do better or not do at all by now.
How could they call it to avoid the issue? Fountain of Oil would be even worse...
Could have just not referencing a card with oil in this way? Or maybe on another plane, or made the flavor text clear this was the being of industry etc. Also it animating an artifact dinosaur is a huge phyrexian link, it could have something different. Then every card with Ichor in bar Ichorid relates to Phyrexians/the glistening oil. Could have used black gold, crude, petroleum wellspring etc. I feel the name, ability and flavor text must have been apparent it hinted at phyrexians, if they didn't want that speculation they had alternatives, and even if they have no intention of doing a phyrexia on Ixalan, why shut the speculation down and not just let people stay intrigued.
Still, shut down now, no dino engines...at least not compleated ones.
This doesn't mean the dream of Mecha-T-Rexes terrorizing the Ixalan countryside is dead though, just that they won't have infect
Well this is just bad naming. Ichor is almost always used to refer to Phyrexian Oil in Magic and thst flavor text sounds ominous. Is ichor even used irl to refer to regualr oil?
It's an irregular use of the word's meaning, but not wrong?
In the 'a watery discharge from a wound' definition.
Realize there is no 'in real life' use for an ancient Greek term for Godblood. All uses are going to be fairly out of use.
I don't necessarily agree with that. A word of similar origin is ambrosia, the food of the gods in ancient greek myth, but today it is used as another term for honey or simply in refernece to the actual desert named after it. As another example, a derivitie of ichor, petrichor, has a very specific definiton. I don't agree that a word's mythological origin bars it from having a real definition.
I just think that it's very odd for Wizards to use Ichor in refernece to regular crude oil when, to my knowledge, it isn't used to refer to crude oil at all irl and it already has a very well known, very specific meaning within Magic. They could have used other terms that actually refer to regular oil, simply "oil", "petrol", or even "black gold" (which would have actually been a clever thematic choice because Ixalan already has an entire city of regular gold, setting up a sort of parallel).
At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
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This doesn't mean the dream of Mecha-T-Rexes terrorizing the Ixalan countryside is dead though, just that they won't have infect
Well this is just bad naming. Ichor is almost always used to refer to Phyrexian Oil in Magic and thst flavor text sounds ominous. Is ichor even used irl to refer to regualr oil?
It's an irregular use of the word's meaning, but not wrong?
In the 'a watery discharge from a wound' definition.
Realize there is no 'in real life' use for an ancient Greek term for Godblood. All uses are going to be fairly out of use.
I don't necessarily agree with that. A word of similar origin is ambrosia, the food of the gods in ancient greek myth, but today it is used as another term for honey or simply in refernece to the actual desert named after it. As another example, a derivitie of ichor, petrichor, has a very specific definiton. I don't agree that a word's mythological origin bars it from having a real definition.
I just think that it's very odd for Wizards to use Ichor in refernece to regular crude oil when, to my knowledge, it isn't used to refer to crude oil at all irl and it already has a very well known, very specific meaning within Magic. They could have used other terms that actually refer to regular oil, simply "oil", "petrol", or even "black gold" (which would have actually been a clever thematic choice because Ixalan already has an entire city of regular gold, setting up a sort of parallel).
At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
Well, there is the problem of what one is going to call petroleum at first glance. Especially if they have no similar substances to compare it to. I can well believe that the Sun Empire interpreted it as something akin to stone pus.
In any case, since the Sun Empire hasn't even worked with coal large-scale yet, I'm not expecting industrialization, at least not in the space of 50-80 years. Not sure what the Legion of Dusk might like to do with it, though...
It's worth noting, by the way, that petroleum has been used since around 4000 BCE, for lighting and such things as asphalt. Industrial use of the stuff is pretty recent.
(Now that I think of it, what did the Assyrians, Chinese, etc. call petroleum?)
Annnyhowwwww. Overall, I am please with the set. It feels really old school and classic, like Time Spiral, lots of flavor and decent cards all around. I wish the price of packs and a box were not higher than regular packs, but I am also glad they are not masters-set expensive.
At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
A good friend of mine has been convinced that at some point there will be a set based on the Wild West. This would be a perfect setup for that - in ixalan which very much was a retelling of American colonization, for there to be a story later down the timeline to parallel the old west, one of the major storylines of which is always what happens when Texas Tea gets discovered, and lands that were once considered nearly worthless suddenly become hotly contested.
This doesn't mean the dream of Mecha-T-Rexes terrorizing the Ixalan countryside is dead though, just that they won't have infect
Well this is just bad naming. Ichor is almost always used to refer to Phyrexian Oil in Magic and thst flavor text sounds ominous. Is ichor even used irl to refer to regualr oil?
It's an irregular use of the word's meaning, but not wrong?
In the 'a watery discharge from a wound' definition.
Realize there is no 'in real life' use for an ancient Greek term for Godblood. All uses are going to be fairly out of use.
I don't necessarily agree with that. A word of similar origin is ambrosia, the food of the gods in ancient greek myth, but today it is used as another term for honey or simply in refernece to the actual desert named after it. As another example, a derivitie of ichor, petrichor, has a very specific definiton. I don't agree that a word's mythological origin bars it from having a real definition.
I just think that it's very odd for Wizards to use Ichor in refernece to regular crude oil when, to my knowledge, it isn't used to refer to crude oil at all irl and it already has a very well known, very specific meaning within Magic. They could have used other terms that actually refer to regular oil, simply "oil", "petrol", or even "black gold" (which would have actually been a clever thematic choice because Ixalan already has an entire city of regular gold, setting up a sort of parallel).
At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
It might be a trial balloon or it might be that they decided that directly referencing petroleum doesn't fit in their fantasy game so they decided to be a bit indirect about it while still trying to convey the (general?) idea
At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
A good friend of mine has been convinced that at some point there will be a set based on the Wild West. This would be a perfect setup for that - in ixalan which very much was a retelling of American colonization, for there to be a story later down the timeline to parallel the old west, one of the major storylines of which is always what happens when Texas Tea gets discovered, and lands that were once considered nearly worthless suddenly become hotly contested.
I agree its a good setup but what about using something like whaling as a transition between the two? Jumping immediately to striking a gusher seems a little..crude
I like the set, just the price seems too high. I'd have sold this at 150 and printed more.
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At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
A good friend of mine has been convinced that at some point there will be a set based on the Wild West. This would be a perfect setup for that - in ixalan which very much was a retelling of American colonization, for there to be a story later down the timeline to parallel the old west, one of the major storylines of which is always what happens when Texas Tea gets discovered, and lands that were once considered nearly worthless suddenly become hotly contested.
this actually the first decent possible setup for such a set
I like the set, just the price seems too high. I'd have sold this at 150 and printed more.
It does seem a tad bit high. They very well could and probably will print more as this set is "print to demand". I've noticed prices creeping down on booster boxes as we speak as well.
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This doesn't mean the dream of Mecha-T-Rexes terrorizing the Ixalan countryside is dead though, just that they won't have infect
Well this is just bad naming. Ichor is almost always used to refer to Phyrexian Oil in Magic and thst flavor text sounds ominous. Is ichor even used irl to refer to regualr oil?
It's an irregular use of the word's meaning, but not wrong?
In the 'a watery discharge from a wound' definition.
Realize there is no 'in real life' use for an ancient Greek term for Godblood. All uses are going to be fairly out of use.
I don't necessarily agree with that. A word of similar origin is ambrosia, the food of the gods in ancient greek myth, but today it is used as another term for honey or simply in refernece to the actual desert named after it. As another example, a derivitie of ichor, petrichor, has a very specific definiton. I don't agree that a word's mythological origin bars it from having a real definition.
I just think that it's very odd for Wizards to use Ichor in refernece to regular crude oil when, to my knowledge, it isn't used to refer to crude oil at all irl and it already has a very well known, very specific meaning within Magic. They could have used other terms that actually refer to regular oil, simply "oil", "petrol", or even "black gold" (which would have actually been a clever thematic choice because Ixalan already has an entire city of regular gold, setting up a sort of parallel).
At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
They are just using it as a descriptive word. Ichor can really be used to describe and unknown liquid that is gross and slimy, it had a very specific definition long ag, but often times it is just used to describe a generally unknown gross, viscous liquid. Just my opinion.
They are just using it as a descriptive word. Ichor can really be used to describe and unknown liquid that is gross and slimy, it had a very specific definition long ag, but often times it is just used to describe a generally unknown gross, viscous liquid. Just my opinion.
I think yall are over complicating this.
This. We went through the outrage and silly speculation due to Ugin being called "the Ineffable", now this. Phyrexia is and was important, but not everything that uses a real-world word that happened to be used in its context, has to be connected with it.
I like the set, just the price seems too high. I'd have sold this at 150 and printed more.
It does seem a tad bit high. They very well could and probably will print more as this set is "print to demand". I've noticed prices creeping down on booster boxes as we speak as well.
I think it's WAY overpriced. Not much here tells me this should be much more than a regular box. These pack prices are pushing prices of the singles to silly levels. At least they are coming down a bit, but false perceived scarcity will ruin this game. Charging $10-12 a pack to draft this set is really a punch in the face.
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How could they call it to avoid the issue? Fountain of Oil would be even worse...
You may havee thought, but Wotc has shut it down so its kinda over.
Could have just not referencing a card with oil in this way? Or maybe on another plane, or made the flavor text clear this was the being of industry etc. Also it animating an artifact dinosaur is a huge phyrexian link, it could have something different. Then every card with Ichor in bar Ichorid relates to Phyrexians/the glistening oil. Could have used black gold, crude, petroleum wellspring etc. I feel the name, ability and flavor text must have been apparent it hinted at phyrexians, if they didn't want that speculation they had alternatives, and even if they have no intention of doing a phyrexia on Ixalan, why shut the speculation down and not just let people stay intrigued.
Still, shut down now, no dino engines...at least not compleated ones.
I just think that it's very odd for Wizards to use Ichor in refernece to regular crude oil when, to my knowledge, it isn't used to refer to crude oil at all irl and it already has a very well known, very specific meaning within Magic. They could have used other terms that actually refer to regular oil, simply "oil", "petrol", or even "black gold" (which would have actually been a clever thematic choice because Ixalan already has an entire city of regular gold, setting up a sort of parallel).
At the very least I hope that the discovery of actual oil on Ixalan means something going forward and isn't just a footnote. It would be interesting to see some factions begin to industrialize and come into conflict over this new resource.
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Well, there is the problem of what one is going to call petroleum at first glance. Especially if they have no similar substances to compare it to. I can well believe that the Sun Empire interpreted it as something akin to stone pus.
In any case, since the Sun Empire hasn't even worked with coal large-scale yet, I'm not expecting industrialization, at least not in the space of 50-80 years. Not sure what the Legion of Dusk might like to do with it, though...
It's worth noting, by the way, that petroleum has been used since around 4000 BCE, for lighting and such things as asphalt. Industrial use of the stuff is pretty recent.
(Now that I think of it, what did the Assyrians, Chinese, etc. call petroleum?)
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A good friend of mine has been convinced that at some point there will be a set based on the Wild West. This would be a perfect setup for that - in ixalan which very much was a retelling of American colonization, for there to be a story later down the timeline to parallel the old west, one of the major storylines of which is always what happens when Texas Tea gets discovered, and lands that were once considered nearly worthless suddenly become hotly contested.
It might be a trial balloon or it might be that they decided that directly referencing petroleum doesn't fit in their fantasy game so they decided to be a bit indirect about it while still trying to convey the (general?) idea
Saddled Rimestag is basically the town bicycle. Seems more fitting for a lagac.
I agree its a good setup but what about using something like whaling as a transition between the two? Jumping immediately to striking a gusher seems a little..crude
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
RIP Ixalan, suddenly an American national interest.
this actually the first decent possible setup for such a set
It does seem a tad bit high. They very well could and probably will print more as this set is "print to demand". I've noticed prices creeping down on booster boxes as we speak as well.
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They are just using it as a descriptive word. Ichor can really be used to describe and unknown liquid that is gross and slimy, it had a very specific definition long ag, but often times it is just used to describe a generally unknown gross, viscous liquid. Just my opinion.
I think yall are over complicating this.
This. We went through the outrage and silly speculation due to Ugin being called "the Ineffable", now this. Phyrexia is and was important, but not everything that uses a real-world word that happened to be used in its context, has to be connected with it.
I think it's WAY overpriced. Not much here tells me this should be much more than a regular box. These pack prices are pushing prices of the singles to silly levels. At least they are coming down a bit, but false perceived scarcity will ruin this game. Charging $10-12 a pack to draft this set is really a punch in the face.
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