As much as I want future Ashiok cards,
it would please me to no end to know Ashiok was trapped in there with Bolas,
an immortal spirit, feeding Bolas a neverending stream of “surrender to your hopelessness!”
Sure, at first, Bolas would laugh at such talk,
but after thousands of years, Ashiok might gain a little traction.
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I would think Nicol will be stripped of spark (he hasn't got the Gem of Becoming here, which may or may not be the same thing) and will be locked in Meditation Realm. So returning him to the story would require resparking.
But my pet theory is that only Ugin has a spark - Nicol wasn't a planeswalker originally, he just stole the spark from that "demonic leviathan", and kept it within the Gem of Becoming.
I presume Bolas gets desparked, but then don't see how he ends up in the Meditation Realm? Some kind of Ugin shenanigans presumably. Nevertheless, I also presume that means Ashiok can go and pay him a visit whenever they like - which could be quite often
the survivng planeswalker will regret that they didnt kill him, cause again innocents will die.
i mean what were they thinking ? and the possibilities of his return are so high, he could find a solution himself, one loyal minion somewhere might help him from the outside or what could also happen is, that in a large fight with another yet unknown supervillain his prison gets damaged so he can free himself or w/e.
not many known planeswalker died, the main villain didnt die... what is this war ? it was supposed to be the endgame finale, i got really hyped for story but this... boring. not saying a 12 year old could have written a better story ... but, maybe a 12 year old could have written a better story.
sorry, but i just had to express some kind of disappointment. its also just towards the story, the set itself seems to be super strong.
I guess WoTC is not yet ready to kill him off permanently like Yawgmoth. Maybe they saw that Bolas does have some fans, and it's bad to kill him off when some people might miss him. Just a theory of course.
Anyway, being imprisoned is not really a strong way to stop him. Imprisoned things eventually get out.. eldrazi got out of their prison, griselbrand got out of helvault..
This whole "shelving the villain to be used later" thing is getting old.
"Ok, this storyline is over, what next? Let me check the villain storage... Emrakul, Bolas, the Phyrexians..."
I presume Bolas gets desparked, but then don't see how he ends up in the Meditation Realm? Some kind of Ugin shenanigans presumably. Nevertheless, I also presume that means Ashiok can go and pay him a visit whenever they like - which could be quite often
It's all answered in the novel. I'll just say that your thoughts are not entirely far
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I presume Bolas gets desparked, but then don't see how he ends up in the Meditation Realm? Some kind of Ugin shenanigans presumably. Nevertheless, I also presume that means Ashiok can go and pay him a visit whenever they like - which could be quite often
Well, prior to the events of Time Spiral, Bolas was unable to manifest himself outside the Meditation Plane without the magic of the Imperial Shrine in Madara. When Tetsuo Umezawa destroyed the shrine, it trapped him on the Meditation Plane, where Tetsuo was able to kill him (this was before the Mending, so there were functioning planar portals in Madara connecting to the Meditation Plane).
This is probably more or less the same deal - Bolas needs the Gem of Becoming in order to manifest himself outside the Meditation Plane (it likely contains his spark), and destroying it traps him there.
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The thing about killing Bolas is that it just wouldn't be enough retribution. He has 25,000 years of atrocities to answer for, dozens of enslaved/destroyed worlds, and deaths on his hands numbering at least into the billions. Cutting him down with a sword and just ending him in a moment of righteous justice would feel good for a minute, but then ring hollow.
Bolas has to feel his defeat. He has to know he is beaten, pathetic, and impotent forevermore. His infinite atrocities merit an infinite punishment. Now his victims can begin to have justice.
Couldn't disagree more. How many times have you watched the hero stand over the villain and make some holier than thou speech, giving the villain enough to time to elude their fate? Meanwhile the audience is screaming at the T.V. "What are you waiting for idiot! Just shoot the M*****F*****!" The only reason he has to survive is so WotC can dig up his story line when the well runs dry.
the survivng planeswalker will regret that they didnt kill him, cause again innocents will die.
i mean what were they thinking ? and the possibilities of his return are so high, he could find a solution himself, one loyal minion somewhere might help him from the outside or what could also happen is, that in a large fight with another yet unknown supervillain his prison gets damaged so he can free himself or w/e.
not many known planeswalker died, the main villain didnt die... what is this war ? it was supposed to be the endgame finale, i got really hyped for story but this... boring. not saying a 12 year old could have written a better story ... but, maybe a 12 year old could have written a better story.
sorry, but i just had to express some kind of disappointment. its also just towards the story, the set itself seems to be super strong.
The suffrage from the erosion of time is probably the better punishment for this eons of malicious deeds. The fact he's powerless (or a minuscule version of what he once was) will definitely reverberate inside him and may affect his sanity provided there's no sudden "jailbreak" event that happens before his time is up.
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The thing about killing Bolas is that it just wouldn't be enough retribution. He has 25,000 years of atrocities to answer for, dozens of enslaved/destroyed worlds, and deaths on his hands numbering at least into the billions. Cutting him down with a sword and just ending him in a moment of righteous justice would feel good for a minute, but then ring hollow.
Bolas has to feel his defeat. He has to know he is beaten, pathetic, and impotent forevermore. His infinite atrocities merit an infinite punishment. Now his victims can begin to have justice.
I have to disagree. I was really looking forward to Nicol Bolas's demise. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't call it a happy end unless the villain dies. To me, it's THIS ending that doesn't feel like enough.
This is not a "fate worse than death". This is just Wizards refusing to kill a major villain so that they can use him again if need be. Prisons are made to be broken from, y'know? If at least they made him lose his Spark to give us a clear signal he'd never again be a threat to the Multiverse...
not many known planeswalker died, the main villain didnt die... what is this war ? it was supposed to be the endgame finale, i got really hyped for story but this... boring. not saying a 12 year old could have written a better story ... but, maybe a 12 year old could have written a better story.
sorry, but i just had to express some kind of disappointment. its also just towards the story, the set itself seems to be super strong.
I feel the same way. What kind of War is this if only three planeswalkers bite the dust, and even the villain survives? I really expected many more planeswalkers to die (Ugin, Jaya, Nissa or Vivien, Dovin, Ral etc.)
Couldn't disagree more. How many times have you watched the hero stand over the villain and make some holier than thou speech, giving the villain enough to time to elude their fate? Meanwhile the audience is screaming at the T.V. "What are you waiting for idiot! Just shoot the M*****F*****!" The only reason he has to survive is so WotC can dig up his story line when the well runs dry.
This, pretty much. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.
The suffrage from the erosion of time is probably the better punishment for this eons of malicious deeds. The fact he's powerless (or a minuscule version of what he once was) will definitely reverberate inside him and may affect his sanity provided there's no sudden "jailbreak" event that happens before his time is up.
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You mean that if he does break out somehow, he will be even more insane? That sounds scary...
I feel the same way. What kind of War is this if only three planeswalkers bite the dust, and even the villain survives? I really expected many more planeswalkers to die (Ugin, Jaya, Nissa or Vivien, Dovin, Ral etc.)
MaRo 100% confirmed that the eternals stripping a spark kills a planeswalker.
So most of the 37 planeswalkers on the stained glass are simply the survivors of this war. That's it. They're the ones who, like in most fictional stories, we see navigate a war, most making it through but seeing many others around them perish.
The dozen to dozens of sparks flying in the air to Bolas in the art and in the trailer? Each and every one represents a dead, dead, dead, dead, dead planeswalker.
Just like in many war stories, the simple fact that a small handful of known people die in the spotlight, but untold numbers die in the background, doesn't diminish the deaths occurring all around.
Many planeswalkers 100% for certain bite it in this War of the Spark. And just like the untolds thousands, tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands to millions of Ravnicans who die, is real tragedy. Them being faceless masses doesn't make it any less tragic. And they could easily write in later stories of the tragic deaths of planeswalkers whose sparks we see, of Ravnican citizens caught in the horrors of this invasion of their home. After all, this is an ecumenopolis; this is essentially the Coruscant or Trantor of the Magic multiverse. A planet-sized city that has had a continuous civilization for over 10,000 years. The death toll could be staggering indeed.
But with absolute certainty, many planeswalkers are DEAD in the aftermath of these events. Them being background characters doesn't diminish their deaths, or make them not dead. They're still dead as can be. Dack died on-screen. Domri died "on-screen". We'll see who else when this is all done. And at least a dozen, possibly many more, died off-screen.
Yeah... "forever". I guarantee he'll miraculously escape in about 5 years or so, whenever the Phyrexian storyline ends and WotC needs another big bad again.
Well, he *is* alive, so him coming back eventually is kinda expected. But WotC has seeded quite a few potential villains that can follow up New Phyrexia, so I'll put my expectations a few more years ahead than that. Let's say I expect them to cycle through the Eldrazi before setting up Bolas again.
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I, Bolas, the spark-stealing master of the multiverse, unleashed an unspeakable evil. But, a foolish hunky planeswalker wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, Ugin tore open a portal in space and flung me into the prison where my boredom is law. Now I seek to return to the plane and undo the failure that is Nicol.
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it would please me to no end to know Ashiok was trapped in there with Bolas,
an immortal spirit, feeding Bolas a neverending stream of “surrender to your hopelessness!”
Sure, at first, Bolas would laugh at such talk,
but after thousands of years, Ashiok might gain a little traction.
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But my pet theory is that only Ugin has a spark - Nicol wasn't a planeswalker originally, he just stole the spark from that "demonic leviathan", and kept it within the Gem of Becoming.
I guess WoTC is not yet ready to kill him off permanently like Yawgmoth. Maybe they saw that Bolas does have some fans, and it's bad to kill him off when some people might miss him. Just a theory of course.
Anyway, being imprisoned is not really a strong way to stop him. Imprisoned things eventually get out.. eldrazi got out of their prison, griselbrand got out of helvault..
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It's all answered in the novel. I'll just say that your thoughts are not entirely far
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This is why we do not use swords against dragons. Against horses, elephants, leviathans, dragon-gods... use a spear instead. Like Elspeth.
Well, prior to the events of Time Spiral, Bolas was unable to manifest himself outside the Meditation Plane without the magic of the Imperial Shrine in Madara. When Tetsuo Umezawa destroyed the shrine, it trapped him on the Meditation Plane, where Tetsuo was able to kill him (this was before the Mending, so there were functioning planar portals in Madara connecting to the Meditation Plane).
This is probably more or less the same deal - Bolas needs the Gem of Becoming in order to manifest himself outside the Meditation Plane (it likely contains his spark), and destroying it traps him there.
Obviously Gideon is bound to lose being white.
Bolas will be a recurring character like Jace as the recurring protagonist
Agree same old cliche
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I have to disagree. I was really looking forward to Nicol Bolas's demise. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't call it a happy end unless the villain dies. To me, it's THIS ending that doesn't feel like enough.
This is not a "fate worse than death". This is just Wizards refusing to kill a major villain so that they can use him again if need be. Prisons are made to be broken from, y'know? If at least they made him lose his Spark to give us a clear signal he'd never again be a threat to the Multiverse...
I feel the same way. What kind of War is this if only three planeswalkers bite the dust, and even the villain survives? I really expected many more planeswalkers to die (Ugin, Jaya, Nissa or Vivien, Dovin, Ral etc.)
This, pretty much. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.
You mean that if he does break out somehow, he will be even more insane? That sounds scary...
MaRo 100% confirmed that the eternals stripping a spark kills a planeswalker.
So most of the 37 planeswalkers on the stained glass are simply the survivors of this war. That's it. They're the ones who, like in most fictional stories, we see navigate a war, most making it through but seeing many others around them perish.
The dozen to dozens of sparks flying in the air to Bolas in the art and in the trailer? Each and every one represents a dead, dead, dead, dead, dead planeswalker.
Just like in many war stories, the simple fact that a small handful of known people die in the spotlight, but untold numbers die in the background, doesn't diminish the deaths occurring all around.
Many planeswalkers 100% for certain bite it in this War of the Spark. And just like the untolds thousands, tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands to millions of Ravnicans who die, is real tragedy. Them being faceless masses doesn't make it any less tragic. And they could easily write in later stories of the tragic deaths of planeswalkers whose sparks we see, of Ravnican citizens caught in the horrors of this invasion of their home. After all, this is an ecumenopolis; this is essentially the Coruscant or Trantor of the Magic multiverse. A planet-sized city that has had a continuous civilization for over 10,000 years. The death toll could be staggering indeed.
But with absolute certainty, many planeswalkers are DEAD in the aftermath of these events. Them being background characters doesn't diminish their deaths, or make them not dead. They're still dead as can be. Dack died on-screen. Domri died "on-screen". We'll see who else when this is all done. And at least a dozen, possibly many more, died off-screen.
Well, he *is* alive, so him coming back eventually is kinda expected. But WotC has seeded quite a few potential villains that can follow up New Phyrexia, so I'll put my expectations a few more years ahead than that. Let's say I expect them to cycle through the Eldrazi before setting up Bolas again.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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Long ago in a distant land, I, Nicol Bolas, the omnipotent master of darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil. But, a foolish planeswalker warrior, wielding a magic sword, set forth to oppose me.
I, Bolas, the spark-stealing master of the multiverse, unleashed an unspeakable evil. But, a foolish hunky planeswalker wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, Ugin tore open a portal in space and flung me into the prison where my boredom is law. Now I seek to return to the plane and undo the failure that is Nicol.
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