If i had to take a guess, the image on the left side of the stream could be the phyrexianised mishra after he fused with some of the machines around him
It looks a lot more like a person fused to a tree, actually.
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If i had to take a guess, the image on the left side of the stream could be the phyrexianised mishra after he fused with some of the machines around him
In the lore, Myshra equipped a phyrexian endoskeleton to himself, if I'm not mistaken.
It could be a better take on this art and would make sense how after the events of the Brother's war Urza could see his brother in a more human shape.
I dont know why wouldnt they sell another modern masters. If iconic masters was a failure they can learn from their mistakes and make a good masters set.
Reprinting legacy stuff for modern is not what modern wants, let legacy be legacy and modern be modern.
Modern wants modern reprints to be excited to open them and to make modern cheaper.
Absolutely zero chance of Lotus Petal in modern. It's too busted with mox opal.
True-Name Nemesis is perfectly fine.
Counterspell is an interesting idea, but I don't think it'll make the cut. Universal counters have generally not been made in Modern for under 3 mana.
Baleful Strix would be interesting. I don't think it's super busted and there isn't really a current deck that would play it as an automatic 4-of. Still, its availability as a cheap cantrip block-anything might slow the format down enough to let Jace do what he does, and there's definitely a fine line there.
Cabal Therapist will be sweet in an 8-rack type build. Natural synergy with bloodghast / fetchlands, which synergizes with fatal push. T1 therapist into a thoughtseize and another cheap creature seems really good. Too bad he's not a zombie, because gravecrawler would have been fun.
tbh to me this is just another alternate masters set, just with a focus on modern
i mean the price is higher than for a standard set FOR WHATEVER REASON (cause compared to other card games the magic card quality itself is pretty cheap, resulting from the old days of magic, but compare it to force of will card quality)
it is just that the timmy factor in our community increased and wizards noticed this. this product is not to evolve modern but to diversify the product range and sell a product with the same costs of developement and production for a higher price to all these people that are willing to pay for it.
the sad thing is, with an increased price, it is kind of acknowledging that modern is a more expensive format, which makes the entry for newer players so much higher (or even if u want to switch a deck)
it is just that the timmy factor in our community increased and wizards noticed this. this product is not to evolve modern but to diversify the product range and sell a product with the same costs of developement and production for a higher price to all these people that are willing to pay for it.
arguably this kind of sets have a lower production cost than Standard sets: you skip most of the design and testing part.
Counterspell is an interesting idea, but I don't think it'll make the cut. Universal counters have generally not been made in Modern for under 3 mana.
I don't agree with this, and I'll explain why. Counterspell doesn't have a home. It's not good enough to see play in Legacy or Vintage, where instead cards like Force of Will, Mana Drain, Daze, and Mental Misstep rule. This is very sad for one of the defining cards of the entire game. A card that isn't strong enough to see play in Legacy should, I argue, be playable in Modern. And if that isn't the case, then Modern should adjust for that to be true.
Standard already has the unstated rule that hard counters always cost 3 mana. Standard is supposed to be lower power level than Modern. We're basing the notion that Counterspell is too good for Modern simply on the fact that it has never been a part of Modern. I would suggest that when we consider "Is this card too powerful for Modern?" a way of answering that is to consider instead "Had this card been last printed in 8th Edition, would it be on Modern's current ban list?" In the case of Counterspell, I think it is extremely unlikely.
Honestly it looks more like one of the warped/twisted Emrakul influenced creatures similar to the melds of innistrad. My guess is it's a corrupted, colorless Serra angel warped by emrakul.
As for cards I see as a shoe in:
Counterspell
Baleful Strix
Flame Rift
Price of Progress
Oubliette
Toxic Deluge
Containment Priest
Arena Rector
I wonder: will we see any new keywords? Or new cards with familiar keywords? I currently expect about a 50-50 split on reprints/new, though the number of new cards could be as low as 50. And since they don't have to worry about the effects this set will have on Standard, we could easily see a full cycle of planeswalkers, one for each color.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I'm surprised that no one has really mentioned that this has the potential to bring about a permanent sea change in the Modern metagame. The format could become unrecognizable overnight. That's not to say that it will be bad necessarily, but there is a chance it could break Modern in half. In one year, I wonder how many cards from this set will be on the ban list...
I think everyone took it as a given that clearly adding cards that are currently only in legacy or are new specially for modern would lead to huge changes in the look of modern but after so many years it will be amazing to see the news decks. Standard sets rarely have more than a handful of cards that make it in modern and most end up as 1 ofs or sideboard cards or tier 2/3 cards. A set with 254 cards and none are reprints of current modern sets means a potential 254 cards that can see play. Realistically there will be plenty of filler but you've got to imagine we're talking 50+ potential new to modern cards that directly affect decks or make new top tier decks.
At first I did not think of the metagame implications until this morning, and I do think it's the best for Modern's future. I very much like the idea that some of the top decks could potentially be weakened by either a targeted reprint or new card creation that is too powerful for Standard. I also would not be surprised if certain high priced Modern cards could drop in price because they won't be played as much because of the change in meta. In addition, currently "cheap" cards from Legacy to be reprinted into Modern could see a price bump, but that would likely be only select cards. Wishing for Worldly Tutor and it's ilk, sorry Vampiric Tutor you're banned in Legacy.
What does this mean for Legacy? Could this type of non-Modern cards only reprint be the answer to how to correct for the Reserved List and still be a fun non-rotational paper format that is more accessible? If we assume around 200 new-to-Modern (NTM) reprints this year, over a course of a few years you could potentially bring in ~500 NTM reprints into the format from the past that are not busted.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the above art is a new eldrazi titan.
It looks to humanlike to be an Eldrazi, but the odd numbered limbs are very Eldrazi, and that tree doesn't seem Phyrexian enough to me to be Mishra, I suspect it's some sort of Eldrazi-corrupted PW.
I'm glad that it looks like we won't be wasting any slots on cards that are already legal in Modern, and that they were likely at least thinking about Modern at most phases of the set design, so there is likely a high ratio of cards that have more of a chance than the average card in a Standard set. I hope it's about 50/50 between new cards and reprints of existing cards that aren't modern legal yet.
I hope that some of the following are some of the reprints:
I wonder: will we see any new keywords? Or new cards with familiar keywords? I currently expect about a 50-50 split on reprints/new, though the number of new cards could be as low as 50. And since they don't have to worry about the effects this set will have on Standard, we could easily see a full cycle of planeswalkers, one for each color.
Probably will not be a 50/50 split, since all of the reprints will be new to Modern.
I'd really like to avoid Force of Will... We don't even have Counterspell yet. Can we refrain from free effects for awhile while we figure out how this new mentality of card entry will affect the format? I'm all for some good reprints, but I'm looking for a different variety than going pedal to the metal via Force of Will.
I really doubt they're looking to introduce 500+ cards to modern. How many cards are legacy fringe even or realistically modern fringe that aren't already legal in modern? Creatures, especially, have seen a massive power boost since 8th edition and I don't know if there's a single creature from pre modern that's playable, leaving a few choice selections from supplemental products. I also doubt they're doing stax stuff. They might do wasteland or force, but I'm pretty sure a dedicated lockout deck is out of the question. There's also reserved list which takes out a chunk of the not modern legal as well. I also don't see black rituals and lotus petal coming. They don't seem to be too hot on storm or dredge being better. So, realistically, are there even 50 cards that aren't modern legal that might be tolerable to fun to reprint into modern? Goblins got most of their toys already. It also seems like people's lists are almost exclusively instant/sorcery.
it is just that the timmy factor in our community increased and wizards noticed this. this product is not to evolve modern but to diversify the product range and sell a product with the same costs of developement and production for a higher price to all these people that are willing to pay for it.
arguably this kind of sets have a lower production cost than Standard sets: you skip most of the design and testing part.
I dont think so in this case, there a re new cards and reprints of cards not currently in modern so they had to test stuff up to a point.
Now that I've had a chance to sleep on it, this set does look really interesting in terms of what we might see. That it'll be printed to demand is a HUGE plus, and as has been pointed out there's a number of commander/battlebond cards that wouldn't be out of place in modern - I expect to see a bulk of reprints come from that. From a casual glance, here's my wishlist:
Daze - this is 100% at the top of my list, and I'd be flabbergasted if it doesn't get in. With the new mulligan rule (let's not kid ourselves unless there's a twitter protest throughout the entire event this rule change is happening) combo decks in modern get exponentially stronger. Giving control decks a 0-mana counterspell to snap off a lynchpin mid-combo will bring them back down to earth - and it'll be appropriately painful when you have to pick up a Hallowed Fountain to do it.
Grim Tutor - Yes it's $200, but that'll drive pack sales at the gun while not being an obscenely broken card. 4 mana tutors are way too expensive for really any format (Mastermind's Acquisition meme decks notwithstanding) and 2 mana tutors are way too cheap. 3 mana and 3 life is on the heavier side, but if you need an answer NOW then you need it now, and this gets it for you.
Flood Plain et al - slow fetches are simple, effective for people that can't/won't shell out for the big fetches, and an enemy cycle of five to pair with the Mirage five would make a pretty good mana fixing setup at uncommon IMO. You don't NEED a rare land cycle to sell a set, I don't think.
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Almost soiled my pants at cabal therapist! Turn 1 inquisition of kozilek into therapist + another 1 drop mean you can shred hands turn after turn... That's one strong card.
I'm looking forward to drafting this set into oblivion.
I think with this product, it's primary goal is to make more new/fringe strategies more viable while at the same time increase the versatility of answers against existing strategies. I can also see this set where it pushes the power of mono color to create entry point for new players into the format. For lands they could do mono colored fetch lands at rare, and perhaps Onslaught cycle lands at uncommon. As for the reprint policy, it is safe to say that the cards reprinted will never be Legacy defining cards, but instead cards that while weak in Legacy, can be at the right power level for Modern. This also means that just because it does not see heavy play in Legacy does not automatically mean that it is at the power level for Modern. As for impact on prices, diversifying available decks will always reduce cost across the board. Part of the reason why certain colors are more expensive than others is simply because of popularity. I do not promote aggressive reprinting to bring down price, but instead lets make other colors/strategies more desirable so the costs level out.
I think it is important to put significant amount of thought of what identity Modern supposed to express. Legacy is loved because it has a well defined identity. Standard's identity is ever changing and fluid, which can be considered a feature for that format. Wanting Modern to be Legacy-lite is the wrong way to think about it. Modern is Modern, and with this product, we will get the first set specifically designed with Modern in mind. This is the first of its kind and the possibilities are endless.
It looks a lot more like a person fused to a tree, actually.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
It could be a better take on this art and would make sense how after the events of the Brother's war Urza could see his brother in a more human shape.
Looks like there is no chance for a new worship angel creature.
The serra card is nice to see, hoping for a urza the new legendary cards for mishra, gerald and dakkon.
We probably see sengir later.
Reprinting legacy stuff for modern is not what modern wants, let legacy be legacy and modern be modern.
Modern wants modern reprints to be excited to open them and to make modern cheaper.
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Counterspell is an interesting idea, but I don't think it'll make the cut. Universal counters have generally not been made in Modern for under 3 mana.
Baleful Strix would be interesting. I don't think it's super busted and there isn't really a current deck that would play it as an automatic 4-of. Still, its availability as a cheap cantrip block-anything might slow the format down enough to let Jace do what he does, and there's definitely a fine line there.
Cabal Therapist will be sweet in an 8-rack type build. Natural synergy with bloodghast / fetchlands, which synergizes with fatal push. T1 therapist into a thoughtseize and another cheap creature seems really good. Too bad he's not a zombie, because gravecrawler would have been fun.
i mean the price is higher than for a standard set FOR WHATEVER REASON (cause compared to other card games the magic card quality itself is pretty cheap, resulting from the old days of magic, but compare it to force of will card quality)
it is just that the timmy factor in our community increased and wizards noticed this. this product is not to evolve modern but to diversify the product range and sell a product with the same costs of developement and production for a higher price to all these people that are willing to pay for it.
the sad thing is, with an increased price, it is kind of acknowledging that modern is a more expensive format, which makes the entry for newer players so much higher (or even if u want to switch a deck)
I don't agree with this, and I'll explain why. Counterspell doesn't have a home. It's not good enough to see play in Legacy or Vintage, where instead cards like Force of Will, Mana Drain, Daze, and Mental Misstep rule. This is very sad for one of the defining cards of the entire game. A card that isn't strong enough to see play in Legacy should, I argue, be playable in Modern. And if that isn't the case, then Modern should adjust for that to be true.
Standard already has the unstated rule that hard counters always cost 3 mana. Standard is supposed to be lower power level than Modern. We're basing the notion that Counterspell is too good for Modern simply on the fact that it has never been a part of Modern. I would suggest that when we consider "Is this card too powerful for Modern?" a way of answering that is to consider instead "Had this card been last printed in 8th Edition, would it be on Modern's current ban list?" In the case of Counterspell, I think it is extremely unlikely.
Honestly it looks more like one of the warped/twisted Emrakul influenced creatures similar to the melds of innistrad. My guess is it's a corrupted, colorless Serra angel warped by emrakul.
As for cards I see as a shoe in:
Counterspell
Baleful Strix
Flame Rift
Price of Progress
Oubliette
Toxic Deluge
Containment Priest
Arena Rector
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Some of the new cards are not modern exclusive for playable
We will see cards playable in commander, legacy and vintage in this
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
At first I did not think of the metagame implications until this morning, and I do think it's the best for Modern's future. I very much like the idea that some of the top decks could potentially be weakened by either a targeted reprint or new card creation that is too powerful for Standard. I also would not be surprised if certain high priced Modern cards could drop in price because they won't be played as much because of the change in meta. In addition, currently "cheap" cards from Legacy to be reprinted into Modern could see a price bump, but that would likely be only select cards. Wishing for Worldly Tutor and it's ilk, sorry Vampiric Tutor you're banned in Legacy.
What does this mean for Legacy? Could this type of non-Modern cards only reprint be the answer to how to correct for the Reserved List and still be a fun non-rotational paper format that is more accessible? If we assume around 200 new-to-Modern (NTM) reprints this year, over a course of a few years you could potentially bring in ~500 NTM reprints into the format from the past that are not busted.
It looks to humanlike to be an Eldrazi, but the odd numbered limbs are very Eldrazi, and that tree doesn't seem Phyrexian enough to me to be Mishra, I suspect it's some sort of Eldrazi-corrupted PW.
I hope that some of the following are some of the reprints:
Counterspell
Force Spike
Wall of Blossoms
Containment Priest
Innocent Blood
Undermine
Diabolic Edict
Tribute to the Wild
Impulse
From the Ashes
Angel of Finality
Stranglehold
Crawlspace
Bind
Skyshroud Elite
Wild Growth
Flametongue Kavu
Skyshroud War Beast
Lobotomy
Probably will not be a 50/50 split, since all of the reprints will be new to Modern.
If they are upping the power-level of modern, they could maybe help out with this Fringe-Legacy Playable deck in modenr.
Aura Shards? Astral Slide? Avatar of Will (and friends)? Blastoderm? Blood Pet? Book Burning and Browbeat? Genesis (and friends)? There's plenty of good cards that could spawn cool new strategies without asking for free effects or counters... and I absolutely love playing control.
Edit: Aura Shards probably would need a remake for the addition of the word "nontoken".
"Reveal a Dragon"
I dont think so in this case, there a re new cards and reprints of cards not currently in modern so they had to test stuff up to a point.
Daze - this is 100% at the top of my list, and I'd be flabbergasted if it doesn't get in. With the new mulligan rule (let's not kid ourselves unless there's a twitter protest throughout the entire event this rule change is happening) combo decks in modern get exponentially stronger. Giving control decks a 0-mana counterspell to snap off a lynchpin mid-combo will bring them back down to earth - and it'll be appropriately painful when you have to pick up a Hallowed Fountain to do it.
Grim Tutor - Yes it's $200, but that'll drive pack sales at the gun while not being an obscenely broken card. 4 mana tutors are way too expensive for really any format (Mastermind's Acquisition meme decks notwithstanding) and 2 mana tutors are way too cheap. 3 mana and 3 life is on the heavier side, but if you need an answer NOW then you need it now, and this gets it for you.
Flood Plain et al - slow fetches are simple, effective for people that can't/won't shell out for the big fetches, and an enemy cycle of five to pair with the Mirage five would make a pretty good mana fixing setup at uncommon IMO. You don't NEED a rare land cycle to sell a set, I don't think.
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Almost soiled my pants at cabal therapist! Turn 1 inquisition of kozilek into therapist + another 1 drop mean you can shred hands turn after turn... That's one strong card.
I'm looking forward to drafting this set into oblivion.
I think it is important to put significant amount of thought of what identity Modern supposed to express. Legacy is loved because it has a well defined identity. Standard's identity is ever changing and fluid, which can be considered a feature for that format. Wanting Modern to be Legacy-lite is the wrong way to think about it. Modern is Modern, and with this product, we will get the first set specifically designed with Modern in mind. This is the first of its kind and the possibilities are endless.
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