I have to admit that Kraul Harpooner is pretty much broken without flyers. 3/2 for 1G is hard to overestimate.
Terrain Elemental was a straight 3/2 for 1G that was bad enough to be a PW deck card, so I'm inclined to say that more upside is needed (as much as this annoys me from a power creep perspective).
Dunno how to feel about the troll. It simultaneously enables Undergrowth while also taxing it. I don't understand why they would do that.
Having tested a Sultai reanimator build a bit, I often find that it's pretty easy to fill the graveyard while there aren't a whole lot of ways to easily take advantage of having a full graveyard. None of the undergrowth cards are all that playable in standard, so having an agressive beater that eats up Glowspore Shamans and Stitcher's Suppliers after they've done their thing can give you a handy alternative strategy. Keeps the deck from doing-a-lot-while-accomplishing-very-little.
And besides, with that "or sacrifice this" clause, and the discard ability, this guy can very easily ADD to the undergrowth count anyway. I expect any undergrowth deck to want this guy at 4 copies.
I have to admit that Kraul Harpooner is pretty much broken without flyers. 3/2 for 1G is hard to overestimate.
Terrain Elemental was a straight 3/2 for 1G that was bad enough to be a PW deck card, so I'm inclined to say that more upside is needed (as much as this annoys me from a power creep perspective).
I missed him since he was a PW deck card. I guess 3/2 common for 1G is still unusual because we can have 3/2s for 2W at the same time (see Bastion Enforcer).
I think the harpooner has the chance to also be amazing in Gruul colors. Red has no shortage of ways of giving creatures haste, so in aggro cast this guy right after a board wipe, let your newly filled graveyard pump it and either give it haste by discarding a land to jumpstart maximize velocity, or if the opponent is low enough sac it to cast thud instead.
(Or am I misunderstanding the harpooner and there needs to be a flying creature on the battlefield under the opponent’s control for the +X/+0 pump to trigger?)
The Harpooner gets the +x/+0 whether a flying creature is on the battlefield or not; its other conditions merely give you the option of killing it. With haste it could easily attack as a large creature.
The troll is one of those cards that's kind of anti-synergistic. Like I want it to be good, but I feel like something like Mindwrack Demon does it better with its downside. Exiling creatures from your graveyard is going to hurt you in the long run always.
That Kraul is obsoleting the ery concept of a bear. Interesting to have "up to one target" and "may have deal damage" on the same effect. That's one more click than I'd expected.
Am I the only one who would rather see "totenwelt" as the mechanic name rather than "undergrowth"?
Considering how horrible many of the literal translations into German end up being, I cannot believe it finally happened. I just wanted to point out the very same. A job well done.
I was insanely jealous of the kid who managed to find a German Armageddon. Armageddon is a cool name in its own right but it doesn't have quite the same impact as throwing the card down and bellowing "GOTTERDAMMERUNG!!!"
Kinda weird uses for fight here, but that's just my opinion. Though it is nice to see Plummet with a "3/2, reach" mode.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Dunno how to feel about the troll. It simultaneously enables Undergrowth while also taxing it. I don't understand why they would do that.
Having tested a Sultai reanimator build a bit, I often find that it's pretty easy to fill the graveyard while there aren't a whole lot of ways to easily take advantage of having a full graveyard. None of the undergrowth cards are all that playable in standard, so having an agressive beater that eats up Glowspore Shamans and Stitcher's Suppliers after they've done their thing can give you a handy alternative strategy. Keeps the deck from doing-a-lot-while-accomplishing-very-little.
And besides, with that "or sacrifice this" clause, and the discard ability, this guy can very easily ADD to the undergrowth count anyway. I expect any undergrowth deck to want this guy at 4 copies.
I guess we'll see. I'm not convinced by this card. I think maybe if there were some clearer enablers / incentives for getting creatures into the graveyard. Like something that triggers whenever a creature enters your graveyard from anywhere. Something along those lines.
Sort of bothers me that Undercity Revolt is a common. Is that too much for limited?
Then Bone House Troll is rare? It removes creatures from your yard in a guild that wants them there. Unless you want to sacrifice Eternal Scourges all the time.
It can take out a 1/3 flier. Roc Charger is going to be a frequent card in this limited environment. This kills it and lives.
Otherwise - it’s not a ‘bad plummet’, it’s ‘your choice of a bad plummet or a very reasonable stats to cost creature’. Plummet is a bad card to put in a deck because if your opponent doesn’t have a flyer it’s a dead card. The WORST case on this is that it’s a bear on steroids. That it’s also occasionally a plummet and also occasionally both, is gravy.
With plummet you're always down a card and it's also only ever sideboard material. The harpooner can be in the main deck, at least in limited, and gives you the choice of keeping it. That's roughly two million times better than plummet.
Damn, Kraul Harpooner isn't bad at all, even if you don't have a target a 3/2 for 2CMC is good. Undercity Revolt can be very strong for a common, maybe? Take out their best one with your useless 1/1 token and send even your worst creature as a removal on legs. Can be very useful to break stalemates.
The troll has me mixed, it requires constant feeding, which can be irregular in limited, but you'd keep it for the mid-game I suppose, since even recursive cards can't help due to the exile clause.
Plummet is an instant...hits any size flier.
Harpooner isn't going to be in the main of any deck outside of limited. So it comes in to kill a big flier that will also kill it. So its a sorcery speed plummet. In any constructed format, plummet is better. I'll concede that this is better in a limited format because people will be playing 1 power fliers.
In limited it can be useful. In any constructed format, this will never be a mainboard card and if its SB'd in, its in order to kill a flier that you cant handle...which will also kill it. So its a sorcery speed plummet. bad in every application except limited where it has two targets in the set so far to kill without dying.
In limited it can be useful. In any constructed format, this will never be a mainboard card and if its SB'd in, its in order to kill a flier that you cant handle...which will also kill it. So its a sorcery speed plummet. bad in every application except limited where it has two targets in the set so far to kill without dying.
if that translation is right, the fight part is a may clause, meaning you can just leave up an X/2 with reach if you don't want it dead
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Terrain Elemental was a straight 3/2 for 1G that was bad enough to be a PW deck card, so I'm inclined to say that more upside is needed (as much as this annoys me from a power creep perspective).
And besides, with that "or sacrifice this" clause, and the discard ability, this guy can very easily ADD to the undergrowth count anyway. I expect any undergrowth deck to want this guy at 4 copies.
I missed him since he was a PW deck card. I guess 3/2 common for 1G is still unusual because we can have 3/2s for 2W at the same time (see Bastion Enforcer).
(Or am I misunderstanding the harpooner and there needs to be a flying creature on the battlefield under the opponent’s control for the +X/+0 pump to trigger?)
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It's absolutely a limited bomb. Whether it has any legs for standard at all ... well I wouldn't rule it out.
I mean "Verursacht Trampelschaden" for Trample is still the one thing which is just bizarr to me.
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I was insanely jealous of the kid who managed to find a German Armageddon. Armageddon is a cool name in its own right but it doesn't have quite the same impact as throwing the card down and bellowing "GOTTERDAMMERUNG!!!"
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Isn't it roughly 'dead world'?
On phasing:
I guess we'll see. I'm not convinced by this card. I think maybe if there were some clearer enablers / incentives for getting creatures into the graveyard. Like something that triggers whenever a creature enters your graveyard from anywhere. Something along those lines.
Then Bone House Troll is rare? It removes creatures from your yard in a guild that wants them there. Unless you want to sacrifice Eternal Scourges all the time.
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Otherwise - it’s not a ‘bad plummet’, it’s ‘your choice of a bad plummet or a very reasonable stats to cost creature’. Plummet is a bad card to put in a deck because if your opponent doesn’t have a flyer it’s a dead card. The WORST case on this is that it’s a bear on steroids. That it’s also occasionally a plummet and also occasionally both, is gravy.
The troll has me mixed, it requires constant feeding, which can be irregular in limited, but you'd keep it for the mid-game I suppose, since even recursive cards can't help due to the exile clause.
Harpooner isn't going to be in the main of any deck outside of limited. So it comes in to kill a big flier that will also kill it. So its a sorcery speed plummet. In any constructed format, plummet is better. I'll concede that this is better in a limited format because people will be playing 1 power fliers.
if that translation is right, the fight part is a may clause, meaning you can just leave up an X/2 with reach if you don't want it dead