Wow just wow. Very good if it was 4/4 i would play it in modern
It's fringe playable already. It does the work on entering and can be played at the end of an opponents turn. Only problem is getting to six mana in anything but a control shell.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Everybody with me: "Unfortunately, it only works if your opponent is asleep" or something. [canned laughter in the distance followed by significantly less canned snoring]
This is a weird set of effects duct taped together, but I think it'll mostly work out.
Wow just wow. Very good if it was 4/4 i would play it in modern
It's fringe playable already. It does the work on entering and can be played at the end of an opponents turn. Only problem is getting to six mana in anything but a control shell.
Yeah, a new top end for U/W control decks, digging 4 cards deep at instant speed, bouncing something and getting a 4/3 flyer is not bad.
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I really hope surveil is not just going to be something they tack on to cards to make them a bit better. There should be some graveyard matters cards in Dimir too.
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Modern UBG B/U/G control BBB MBC WUR Control WWW Prison RRR Goblins
Legacy BBB Pox UBG B/U/G Control UWU StoneBlade UW Miracle Control
Card will slot in perfectly in my Djinn of Wishes wish deck. I hate that people are making the comparison between this and Torrential Gearhulk. They don't serve the same purpose, and are functionally different to boot. I dislike his body and his flavor is wonky (really, I don't get it), but paying 6cmc to scry 4 and/or bin 4 AND bounce a PERMANENT is nothing to scoff at. Even IF he dies to bolt, he'll have still done his job. 7 out of 10.
At first I was skeptical about this being mythic, but then I got to thinking about all the stuff you can do with its combination of abilities. Not the least of which is bouncing an opponent's planeswalker or other big threat right when it'll flummox them most, then surveiling into a counterspell you can use when they try to re-cast it.
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It's almost fair to think of this as paying 6 for a one time Azcanta activation that reveals boomerang and casts it for free. The body is just free and if it happens to kill a creature or eat a kill spell that's a bonus for the investment.
This is very good for Standard. I don't think it's fair to compare it with Torrential Gearhulk. Super-powered Kaladesh block is rotating out so cards like this look like they have a chance to shine in the new environment.
Besides, once you get to 6 mana, it's easy to chain them since Surveil 4 digs A LOT and the bounce keeps you alive.
Just...wow. I really don't know what to say. Surveil 4 and a bounce? (What during Planar Chaos we called a "red bounce", but still...)
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
1. A lack of Black in the casting cost makes the creature typing a bad joke.
2. Higher power than toughness in a Blue creature? In a SPHINX? C'mon now.
3. I'd rather it surveil less and bounce more for that casting cost.
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Its home looks like it's as a mirror breaker in Teferi Counterspell matchups, but is it even good there?
Is there a world where UR or monoU tempo mana curves go this high?
Unless the toughness barrier is 4 (which it was during RTR block). Then it gets a lot less interesting.
It still has a lot of nice words on it, so I'm hopeful.
I concur 100% - the 3 toughness keeps it in bolt range. I bet if this were to see a reprint in the future, it will be rare shifted to rare.
6 mana for a 4/3 flying flash is ridiculously bad.
surveil 4 is great and bounce seems.... random.
really not a fan of this card.
It's fringe playable already. It does the work on entering and can be played at the end of an opponents turn. Only problem is getting to six mana in anything but a control shell.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Neat card, and I dig the types!
Shards of awful never
screencapping comments about people so confident of this being good that they are screencapping comments about it not being good.
jks aside, 3 toughness will likely hold this back. Bounce a creature, surveil 4 and trade with a burn spell is not how I want to spend 6 mana.
This is a weird set of effects duct taped together, but I think it'll mostly work out.
Yeah, a new top end for U/W control decks, digging 4 cards deep at instant speed, bouncing something and getting a 4/3 flyer is not bad.
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BGU Control
R Aggro
Standard - For Fun
BG Auras
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UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Anyway, still a good card. And amazing art.
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Besides, once you get to 6 mana, it's easy to chain them since Surveil 4 digs A LOT and the bounce keeps you alive.
On phasing:
1. A lack of Black in the casting cost makes the creature typing a bad joke.
2. Higher power than toughness in a Blue creature? In a SPHINX? C'mon now.
3. I'd rather it surveil less and bounce more for that casting cost.