One of them should be Karn in Vryn. Maybe it is for the seccond set?
Ya, I thought about this. Ravnica Allegiance should have 8 more PWs, but not sure about the last set. If it's a smaller set, might have only 4? Or maybe 8/4/4? The second set features the other 5 guilds so it probably is as big as the first. Last one could be smaller, but Wizards might surprise us since it's the final battle against Bolas.
One of them should be Karn in Vryn. Maybe it is for the seccond set?
Ya, I thought about this. Ravnica Allegiance should have 8 more PWs, but not sure about the last set. If it's a smaller set, might have only 4? Or maybe 8/4/4? The second set features the other 5 guilds so it probably is as big as the first. Last one could be smaller, but Wizards might surprise us since it's the final battle against Bolas.
The art for Bolas, Liliana and Ral is thoroughly unimpressive IMO, and without knowing what the heck is in those Masterpieces packs(will they be Alara-style premium packs with 15 foils but with cards relating to each of the 'walkers?) I would have a hard time justifying dropping the $250+shipping on this. Add in the choice of Liliana reprint(why not Liliana of the Veil?), Hasbro's notoriously slow and expensive shipping, and the limited nature of the release and this feels like a swing and a miss.
Right, then it should be 8/8/8. Or 8/8 and something else for the last set.
I doubt the other Return to Return to Ravnica sets are getting versions of this product. The symbol for this product is very generic and the numbers on the cards only go to 8. I don't think they would come up with 3 new generic symbol designs for these products and number each release separately. I could easily be wrong, but I wouldn't count on them having two more of these already ready to go without knowing how this one is received.
After sleeping on it, Im even more upset about this. Usually I dont get all that fired up about things but WOTC got me humming right now.
We need to know how limited these will be and if there is a limit of orders per person.
What type of advertising will get this knowledge out to regular MTG players not following threads.Not everyone will know to had there computers fired up at 11:59p whatever time zone or whatever time they are released to be ready to buy (online and on a Thursday (some people work)
Screws the worldwide players.
Because the value is there (in the PROMOS and the packs) these will sell out fast. Especially if you (or SCG, TrollNToad, High Rollers) can buy multiples lots.
I can only assume this same SET UP will be in place for Allegiance and possibly will include some of the other arts we have seen (the Jace that looks like a Mind Sculptor pic, the Liliana that looks like a of the Veil pic, and Karn (thats some total value) and we'll be screwed again.
The choice of Cards and the the fact the pictures are new and very well done will increase this demand even more for both upcoming sets.
Just the fact they are calling them Masterpieces irks me. They are not. They are Mythic Edition Exclusives.
I hate to use the word Unfair (since Fair is a place they judge pigs and doesnt really apply to real life and shouldnt be whined about)but this just rubs me the wrong way in so many ways how exclusionary this Set Up really is.
What a shame since the Promos are really Awesome
Anyway,.....ranting over
These Planeswalkers are marketed as limited edition collector's items, so the expensive price is "justified." Players can still get access to the regular versions of these Planeswalkers from other sources. I would be upset if the cards could not be obtained easily from other sources, like the buy-a-box promos.
Holy crap, I want Elspeth so bad, but that price tag is going to be like Kaladesh Crucible of Worlds. Also this set just went form "how are they beating Dominaria?" to "Okay, this is about to turn into BFZ 2.0 gold rush madness." We are going to have the most super budget shocks on the planet earth by the time this set is done getting opened. Also, I expect the early release of this set to be basically sold out everywhere for at least a month given they are restructuring around no longer having Wizards Direct distribution. Jebus... walker master pieces...
Edit: I just had to reread what someone on MTGReddit said about the panel. Thank you Wizards for finally making a decision on which direction to take. I can't imagine this was an easy choice for those in charge of the game for so long, but this had to happen.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Holy crap, I want Elspeth so bad, but that price tag is going to be like Kaladesh Crucible of Worlds. Also this set just went form "how are they beating Dominaria?" to "Okay, this is about to turn into BFZ 2.0 gold rush madness." We are going to have the most super budget shocks on the planet earth by the time this set is done getting opened. Also, I expect the early release of this set to be basically sold out everywhere for at least a month given they are restructuring around no longer having Wizards Direct distribution. Jebus... walker master pieces...
Edit: I just had to reread what someone on MTGReddit said about the panel. Thank you Wizards for finally making a decision on which direction to take. I can't imagine this was an easy choice for those in charge of the game for so long, but this had to happen.
Uh.....the problem is these so called planeswalker masterpieces are NOT in BOOSTERS. Therefore no need to goldrush cracking packs, they arent in there. Only available one time on a website for a very short time.
Thats the rub
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The eighth and final one (for this set as I’m sure there will be at least one more) will have a name coming after Tezzeret. This likely points to Vraska. Why? Look at the numbering. Tezzeret is card 7/8, with the other six all appearing before him. Karn and Jace will both likely be in the next set, Karn will likely be Scion of Urza and Jace will likely be a new card printed in the set like Ral
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Holy crap, I want Elspeth so bad, but that price tag is going to be like Kaladesh Crucible of Worlds. Also this set just went form "how are they beating Dominaria?" to "Okay, this is about to turn into BFZ 2.0 gold rush madness." We are going to have the most super budget shocks on the planet earth by the time this set is done getting opened. Also, I expect the early release of this set to be basically sold out everywhere for at least a month given they are restructuring around no longer having Wizards Direct distribution. Jebus... walker master pieces...
Edit: I just had to reread what someone on MTGReddit said about the panel. Thank you Wizards for finally making a decision on which direction to take. I can't imagine this was an easy choice for those in charge of the game for so long, but this had to happen.
Uh.....the problem is these so called planeswalker masterpieces are NOT in BOOSTERS. Therefore no need to goldrush cracking packs, they arent in there. Only available one time on a website for a very short time.
Thats the rub
(takes a moment to absorb this, goes to the basement, lets his inner Angra Mainyu out, which for some reason also gets the cicaeda stuck in the air ducts to start buzzing again, then comes back to his keyboard to type that he did this).
I think I'm okay now. Not sure exactly, but I think I'm okay.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. Love the full art Walkers. Don't think I'll pop for the full $250 MSRP but maybe I can pick up one or two of the lower value ones from secondary market.
2. Really need to know what the Masterpiece Boosters exactly are. Just the masterpiece in a wrapper? Other cards included? Foiled? Will they sell Masterpiece Boosters separately eventually? So many questions, so few answers.
3. Price and exclusivity seem fair. You get what you pay for.
4. Would like to know the print run of these and whether they will get multiple printings. I have worries that most will end up in the hands of investors and other big online sites and if they do prices will skyrocket. It happens of course, but it is a big turnoff.
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Welp, they ship to Canada so time to sell some staples to get the extra cash for this. Arm and a leg in CDN though (close to $400 shipping inc. )
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Welp, they ship to Canada so time to sell some staples to get the extra cash for this. Arm and a leg in CDN though (close to $400 shipping inc. )
I don't think they do sell to canada. i tried the AKH fat pack just for fun and it said only within the continental US. If they do that would be awesome as I definitely want one.
I don't get this at all. If the company wanted people to buy booster boxes, putting 2 masterpiece walkers per booster box along with the shock lands would have gotten even the stingiest player into buying boxes. If they sell these seperate of the main product on a limited run, they will be instantly bought out by bots and then thrown up at inflated prices on the second hand market since the scalpers know they can hold them ransom. This is especially true if there is no max purchase limit in place or the limit is like 4 per person.
... did this company just miss the whole Super NES debacle that happened last year with nintendo and general stores? No one could even walk into a store and find a super NES mini because the scalping bots and people refreshing the page like insane psychopaths all bought them out the second they went live. I know because I couldn't even get an order in. By the time the page came up on several of the sites they were gone and on Ebay for 100% mark up.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I am delighted the new walker MPs are not in boosters
I want spread of values in boosters when I draft, and all MPs do is drop the price of the other cards, leaving everyone with nothing unless they get the lottery ticket prize. I don't want to gamble and buy lottery tickets, I want to draft and walk away with a bit of cardboard back most weeks that I can trade instantly, store for five years and then sell/trade, and one way or the other turn into something I want. That does not happen when every card in the set is worth sod all.
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Hoping they do a Karn in version 2, code ME2? I will own that card if done like this and done right.
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I'm not a fan of cards with zero border on them, as it's just a way to nick up the art.
This being $250 is absurd. I understand the value of these PWs and the booster equate to the price of this product, but damn $250 is far too much. When you can open these elsewhere, even if it is incredibly rare, it makes this seem less worth it.
The Teferi itself is likely going to Ebay for $100+.
Lily is going to be around $50-$70.
Elspeth will be around $40-$50.
Daretti will be around $30-$50.
Vraska probably around $40ish.
Tezz could hit $80+, he's a Modern staple in demand. The regulars are around $35 or so.
Bolas? Probably can resell around $50 or so.
You can easily flip at least part of the contents for this for well over MSRP.
Since I can't now order these to CDN, I'll just Ebay the ones I want.
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I'd understand completely If these Planeswalker Masterpieces were actual new cards instead of reprints however I feel as though this is treading a slippery slope of cutting access to new products at local game stores and competing e-commerce websites with eBay and Amazon by restricting it toward HasbroToyShop.com. The reason why nobody complained about the San Diego Comic Con Planeswalkers was due to the fact that the people who have access to the cards could still be able to flip it online in order to make a profit as opposed to these Planeswalker Masterpiece cards where your only chance of getting them is by paying $250 MSRP for the whole bundle instead of individual card singles at HasbroToyShop.com.
Nobody wants restricted access to a specific product that can only be purchased through only one website that's more than likely to crash the server with everyone trying to purchase it all at once instead of it being spread through several e-commerce websites. That's one of the reasons why some local game stores have already adapted a model where you can purchase and/or sell cards through their own website. Some local game store's aren't as lucky due to the high cost of equipment and tools by branding themselves with other products that might not be Trading Card Game / Collectible Card Game affiliated. One of the LGS's I've been going to since the early 2000's mainly sells comic books even though they support Magic and other TCG's.
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Ya, I thought about this. Ravnica Allegiance should have 8 more PWs, but not sure about the last set. If it's a smaller set, might have only 4? Or maybe 8/4/4? The second set features the other 5 guilds so it probably is as big as the first. Last one could be smaller, but Wizards might surprise us since it's the final battle against Bolas.
It's not a smaller set.
I doubt the other Return to Return to Ravnica sets are getting versions of this product. The symbol for this product is very generic and the numbers on the cards only go to 8. I don't think they would come up with 3 new generic symbol designs for these products and number each release separately. I could easily be wrong, but I wouldn't count on them having two more of these already ready to go without knowing how this one is received.
We need to know how limited these will be and if there is a limit of orders per person.
What type of advertising will get this knowledge out to regular MTG players not following threads.Not everyone will know to had there computers fired up at 11:59p whatever time zone or whatever time they are released to be ready to buy (online and on a Thursday (some people work)
Screws the worldwide players.
Because the value is there (in the PROMOS and the packs) these will sell out fast. Especially if you (or SCG, TrollNToad, High Rollers) can buy multiples lots.
I can only assume this same SET UP will be in place for Allegiance and possibly will include some of the other arts we have seen (the Jace that looks like a Mind Sculptor pic, the Liliana that looks like a of the Veil pic, and Karn (thats some total value) and we'll be screwed again.
The choice of Cards and the the fact the pictures are new and very well done will increase this demand even more for both upcoming sets.
Just the fact they are calling them Masterpieces irks me. They are not. They are Mythic Edition Exclusives.
I hate to use the word Unfair (since Fair is a place they judge pigs and doesnt really apply to real life and shouldnt be whined about)but this just rubs me the wrong way in so many ways how exclusionary this Set Up really is.
What a shame since the Promos are really Awesome
Anyway,.....ranting over
If this is a US/canada only product i will go crazy ...
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Edit: I just had to reread what someone on MTGReddit said about the panel. Thank you Wizards for finally making a decision on which direction to take. I can't imagine this was an easy choice for those in charge of the game for so long, but this had to happen.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
To my knowledge this is the only place where you can get it: https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com
I have no idea if they ship to Europe.
Edit:
Actually the magic product I found on the page will not ship to Europe. (https://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/en/htsusa/-c02540000)
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Uh.....the problem is these so called planeswalker masterpieces are NOT in BOOSTERS. Therefore no need to goldrush cracking packs, they arent in there. Only available one time on a website for a very short time.
Thats the rub
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
(takes a moment to absorb this, goes to the basement, lets his inner Angra Mainyu out, which for some reason also gets the cicaeda stuck in the air ducts to start buzzing again, then comes back to his keyboard to type that he did this).
I think I'm okay now. Not sure exactly, but I think I'm okay.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. Love the full art Walkers. Don't think I'll pop for the full $250 MSRP but maybe I can pick up one or two of the lower value ones from secondary market.
2. Really need to know what the Masterpiece Boosters exactly are. Just the masterpiece in a wrapper? Other cards included? Foiled? Will they sell Masterpiece Boosters separately eventually? So many questions, so few answers.
3. Price and exclusivity seem fair. You get what you pay for.
4. Would like to know the print run of these and whether they will get multiple printings. I have worries that most will end up in the hands of investors and other big online sites and if they do prices will skyrocket. It happens of course, but it is a big turnoff.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
I don't think they do sell to canada. i tried the AKH fat pack just for fun and it said only within the continental US. If they do that would be awesome as I definitely want one.
... did this company just miss the whole Super NES debacle that happened last year with nintendo and general stores? No one could even walk into a store and find a super NES mini because the scalping bots and people refreshing the page like insane psychopaths all bought them out the second they went live. I know because I couldn't even get an order in. By the time the page came up on several of the sites they were gone and on Ebay for 100% mark up.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I want spread of values in boosters when I draft, and all MPs do is drop the price of the other cards, leaving everyone with nothing unless they get the lottery ticket prize. I don't want to gamble and buy lottery tickets, I want to draft and walk away with a bit of cardboard back most weeks that I can trade instantly, store for five years and then sell/trade, and one way or the other turn into something I want. That does not happen when every card in the set is worth sod all.
Glad to not be the target audience for these cause that Elspeth looks sexy as hell.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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This being $250 is absurd. I understand the value of these PWs and the booster equate to the price of this product, but damn $250 is far too much. When you can open these elsewhere, even if it is incredibly rare, it makes this seem less worth it.
Lily is going to be around $50-$70.
Elspeth will be around $40-$50.
Daretti will be around $30-$50.
Vraska probably around $40ish.
Tezz could hit $80+, he's a Modern staple in demand. The regulars are around $35 or so.
Bolas? Probably can resell around $50 or so.
You can easily flip at least part of the contents for this for well over MSRP.
Since I can't now order these to CDN, I'll just Ebay the ones I want.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
as an American, I have like a 1% chance of scoring this from Hasbro.
It's hardly anything to be jealous of.
A huge percentage of these will go to Americans who buy them on eBay.
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Nobody wants restricted access to a specific product that can only be purchased through only one website that's more than likely to crash the server with everyone trying to purchase it all at once instead of it being spread through several e-commerce websites. That's one of the reasons why some local game stores have already adapted a model where you can purchase and/or sell cards through their own website. Some local game store's aren't as lucky due to the high cost of equipment and tools by branding themselves with other products that might not be Trading Card Game / Collectible Card Game affiliated. One of the LGS's I've been going to since the early 2000's mainly sells comic books even though they support Magic and other TCG's.
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