Yeah, I don't get why the Green mythic has a group hug effect when the others don't. Maybe to counterbalance the cost reduction on a 4/4 Trampler - and also to distance it from Primordial and Titan. Seems to me they couldn't figure out a Green ability that would make sense in a multiplayer format without it being broken.
Not enough value for me play-wise or value-wise. Pass on both.
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I’m kind of shaking my head at Hasbro trying to target board gamers with their Game Night kit marketing. Like it makes sense, but I don’t think people will be as receptive as they hope. Most people that board game are already well aware what Magic is, and many of them, that I know at least, already have played it, play it, or are just not interested in it. In addition, I’ve already seen too many new comers turn away scared at the current price point of the Magic secondary market.
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Well I just saw that there are 4 M19 boosters in the new Gift Pack. I thought there were only 2. That changes it a little for me. I may pick one up for kicks. Definitely better than last years Grift Box. Still going to pass on the Game Night one.
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The Game Night box comes with a much needed Colossal Dreadmaw reprint!
In all seriousness, I actually really like Angler Turtle as a design for commander. Blue can usually only force creatures to attack one at a time (Alluring Siren), with mass attacking being in red's color pie (Call of the Nightly Hunt). The fact that it comes with hexproof means that your seven mana investment into combat shenanigans will stick on the battlefield.
You mean the reprint Ghalta just got in the spell slingers deck? This is the third freaking printing of Ghalta outside of the promo printing, so that makes four printings within two years. He's the Colossal Dreadmaw of rare dinosaurs.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You mean the reprint Ghalta just got in the spell slingers deck? This is the third freaking printing of Ghalta outside of the promo printing, so that makes four printings within two years. He's the Colossal Dreadmaw of rare dinosaurs.
At this point they should just put the BASIC type on the card, so you can as many Colossal Dreadmaw as you want in your deck and provide them at the Land station ...
The irony that is Colossal Dreadmaw is beyond a meme, it really hurts at this point ...
I don't really see the beef w/ the Gift Box cards being Standard legal if the print run is unlimited. Am I wrong to assume that it is? It's a mass-market product.
The M19 set symbol thing is jarring, but the more I think about it, the more I can get behind it. This would actually be a much less confusing way to filter cards into, for example, Legacy: just print the cards with an older set symbol (Homelands?) and make the legality and rotation issues clear. Yeah, it makes it more confusing for collectors, but I think clarity in terms of gameplay should always take precedence over that.
I don't really see the beef w/ the Gift Box cards being Standard legal if the print run is unlimited. Am I wrong to assume that it is? It's a mass-market product.
The M19 set symbol thing is jarring, but the more I think about it, the more I can get behind it. This would actually be a much less confusing way to filter cards into, for example, Legacy: just print the cards with an older set symbol (Homelands?) and make the legality and rotation issues clear. Yeah, it makes it more confusing for collectors, but I think clarity in terms of gameplay should always take precedence over that.
The problem is the impact it has on the prices of singles. Reprints are good when they are targeting the cards that see play and are done tastefully. The kind of reprinting being done with these click bait products is devaluing certain cards from M19, which had a low print run, and focusing more of the price on the other remaining cards that are still exclusive to that set.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Mistake on last post, meant to say that M19 is a summer set that didn't get opened as much as other sets just like Eldrich moon. Hence the mythics from it are going to be expensive if they see major play.
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Mistake on last post, meant to say that M19 is a summer set that didn't get opened as much as other sets just like Eldrich moon. Hence the mythics from it are going to be expensive if they see major play.
Doesn't the re-release of M19 packs in this Gift Box product actually help with the supply of expensive M19 cards?
Or are you talking about the Game Night product? The whole idea behind that product seems to be, get a single box of this into the hands of a group of non-enfranchised players. I don't see that approach impacting the secondary market for M19 singles much, if at all. I suppose if one of the Game Night exclusives takes off in Legacy like True-Name Nemesis 2.0, then there could be a speculative run on the product. Do you really think any of these cards meets that bar? They seem pretty safe to me. I guess some Commander players might want them...
I'm pleasantly surprised by the quality of the new cards. Not gut-busting but not horrid. Plus, I like that pentagon-shaped packaging on the Game Night set. I'm an avowed fan of packages that are not shaped like quadrilateral prisms, even though I know they are kind of a pain to deal with most of the time. Cute.
But I do agree with the frustration with releasing Standard-legal cards in things that aren't main Standard-legal boosters. Wizards has made some dumb decisions over the years, and... uh, and that is one of them. If nothing else, it's really, really confusing.
Overall... well, good enough. I like the gift box better than the one that had the foil Metalwork Colossus.
Obviously, these cards had their power level curbed somewhat to prevent more competitive, enfranchised players from buying out these things and keeping them from getting into new player's hands. I get that. But I really wish that they had just put these cards in the set proper, so that they could be a little more pushed; maybe shave a mana off some of their costs. Because several of these cards have effects that I'd like, but costs that are hard to justify. Angler Turtle, for example, could be useful in my Isperia, Supreme Judge table politics EDH deck, but seven mana is a bitter pill to swallow in a deck without green, especially on a card where you're gonna want to leave up mana for removal/counters/whatever when you cast it. Rot Hulk is similarly powerful, but prohibitively expensive for my Varina, Lich Queen EDH.
I'm pleasantly surprised by the quality of the new cards. Not gut-busting but not horrid. Plus, I like that pentagon-shaped packaging on the Game Night set. I'm an avowed fan of packages that are not shaped like quadrilateral prisms, even though I know they are kind of a pain to deal with most of the time. Cute.
Since I've worked in both a toy store and a gaming shop, and have therefore had to deal with trying to fit games with "cute" boxes on the shelf, I hope you'll excuse my lack of enthusiasm for a pentagonal package.
Yeah, I don't get why the Green mythic has a group hug effect when the others don't. Maybe to counterbalance the cost reduction on a 4/4 Trampler - and also to distance it from Primordial and Titan. Seems to me they couldn't figure out a Green ability that would make sense in a multiplayer format without it being broken.
Still be broken. Just not in the one-sided sense. Throw in a repeatable flicker effect source and I think you can see why its still going to be a problem at the table.
At the very least the Holiday Pack is better than last years, but that's not saying much at all. At the very least you're getting $16 worth of packs, then between the 5 five new cards, which range from bleh to slightly above decent, the foil lands, and the die it's actually worth it if you're into that kind of thing or know someone knew that got into the game for a quick gift. The last one was easily a 2/10, but this one is more like 6 or 7/10. At the very least it matches, if not goes above, the MSRP. It should probably be trying to achieve $30 worth of value though, but I believe a product should go 50% over the MSRP of a product in value.
I'm not a fan of new cards being in this, as they could have really put in something shiny for players to use like Scarab God, Nicol Bolas, God-Pharoah, the allied Checklands, Vraska's Contempt, and a myriad of others that would have worked, but that's just me.
The Game Night pack doesn't seem like a great deal though. $40.00 for what looks like five Intro Packs.
Obviously, these cards had their power level curbed somewhat to prevent more competitive, enfranchised players from buying out these things and keeping them from getting into new player's hands.
Every product seems to be this nowadays, it's starting to sound less like a design concession and more like an excuse to stuff big box stores with crap that won't sell until post-holiday liquidation when some aloof granny may pick them up for her Pokemon playing grandkids. All just so they don't have to pay for actual marketing.
I will NEVER understand how WotC is "intentionally" making cards bad so people dont buy it.
Its like, wtf ... how can you intentionally gimp your product ...
The argument is so braindead stupid, instead of printing simply enough to give a market what they want, the product is intentionally BAD so nobody buys it.
Its the most moronic stupid move you could ever make, but hey, not that i expect anything more from WotC ...
I find myself to be really annoyed at Militant Angel for breaking the template of the cycle. NONE of the other cards in the cycle include hoops. ALL of them only care about number of opponents, where the angel requires extra work to get the same functionality.
So, how would you make Militant Angel fill in the cycle better? Make it militant soldier, cut it to 3/3, and take away the flying and lifelink? Make it an 8 mana 5/5? I think people will like it better this way even if it isn't as tight of a cycle.
Now, as for complaints about how the cards aren't exactly top teir standard, they said they pointed them at planeswalker deck level. That doesn't mean they aren't fun, though. I really like my fatties excessively fat and every single one of the cards has people I've seen that like them. That doesn't mean we're dumb. It just means we aren't obsessed with playing tournament Magic constantly. There was never a chance of getting $20 standard cards in it anyway, so I don't really see the problem.
Almost all of them would be flat out constructed playable if they costed -1 mana.
Its like they do exactly that to make the cards terrible, simply ensure they are overcosted, so nobody will ever play them, unless the effect is so special that this extra penalty is still not fixing it.
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Anyway, i simply know that these products sell TERRIBLE at an LGS level and they will be sold for massive price reductions in hopes at least someone picks them up.
Its just plain bad and it takes not much to make them at least semi reasonable to buy.
If they have a product that sells like hot cakes it actually good for everyone as long as they dont print cards that are not available anywhere else.
As its 1 big package you dont have the issue that other products have, when just 1 deck is good and the rest are garbage (as stores have to order a package of all of them, and when only 1 sells and the others not, thats not really good).
But a product that is just plain good and has value, it will sell guaranteed, and even if people buy the decks just for some single value cards, all the other cards are even cheaper to get (or people will just "gift" them to new players as they have absolutely no use for them).
But most importantly, it ensures the product is useful in a much broader customer spectrum and is pretty much guaranteed to make money for stores and everyone involved.
A terrible product that is so bad, just to ensure a store is guaranteed to have one left over is just a terrible product and an even worse business.
I think it's less so that no one buys it and more so that ordinary, non-collectors/speculators can buy it.
Even if you're Magic illiterate and browsing this stuff at Wal Mart, 2 Planeswalker Decks > Gift Pack. For $10 more you get 110 more cards and your kids can actually play the game.
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Yeah, I don't get why the Green mythic has a group hug effect when the others don't. Maybe to counterbalance the cost reduction on a 4/4 Trampler - and also to distance it from Primordial and Titan. Seems to me they couldn't figure out a Green ability that would make sense in a multiplayer format without it being broken.
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You mean the reprint Ghalta just got in the spell slingers deck? This is the third freaking printing of Ghalta outside of the promo printing, so that makes four printings within two years. He's the Colossal Dreadmaw of rare dinosaurs.
I don't like how they are making all these click bait products. If our friend Bolas see's a lot of play, he could easily be the next The Scarab God type card next to Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. The cards that really need a reprint for standard are Nicol Bolas, the Ravager, Rekindling Phoenix, Vraska's Contempt, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, Karn, Scion of Urza, etc. Goodness help the company if they actually print something people are needing for decks.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The deck in fact actually has Colossal Dreadmaw at common too ...
At this point they should just put the BASIC type on the card, so you can as many Colossal Dreadmaw as you want in your deck and provide them at the Land station ...
The irony that is Colossal Dreadmaw is beyond a meme, it really hurts at this point ...
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The M19 set symbol thing is jarring, but the more I think about it, the more I can get behind it. This would actually be a much less confusing way to filter cards into, for example, Legacy: just print the cards with an older set symbol (Homelands?) and make the legality and rotation issues clear. Yeah, it makes it more confusing for collectors, but I think clarity in terms of gameplay should always take precedence over that.
The problem is the impact it has on the prices of singles. Reprints are good when they are targeting the cards that see play and are done tastefully. The kind of reprinting being done with these click bait products is devaluing certain cards from M19, which had a low print run, and focusing more of the price on the other remaining cards that are still exclusive to that set.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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Or are you talking about the Game Night product? The whole idea behind that product seems to be, get a single box of this into the hands of a group of non-enfranchised players. I don't see that approach impacting the secondary market for M19 singles much, if at all. I suppose if one of the Game Night exclusives takes off in Legacy like True-Name Nemesis 2.0, then there could be a speculative run on the product. Do you really think any of these cards meets that bar? They seem pretty safe to me. I guess some Commander players might want them...
But I do agree with the frustration with releasing Standard-legal cards in things that aren't main Standard-legal boosters. Wizards has made some dumb decisions over the years, and... uh, and that is one of them. If nothing else, it's really, really confusing.
Overall... well, good enough. I like the gift box better than the one that had the foil Metalwork Colossus.
Since I've worked in both a toy store and a gaming shop, and have therefore had to deal with trying to fit games with "cute" boxes on the shelf, I hope you'll excuse my lack of enthusiasm for a pentagonal package.
I'm not a fan of new cards being in this, as they could have really put in something shiny for players to use like Scarab God, Nicol Bolas, God-Pharoah, the allied Checklands, Vraska's Contempt, and a myriad of others that would have worked, but that's just me.
The Game Night pack doesn't seem like a great deal though. $40.00 for what looks like five Intro Packs.
Its like, wtf ... how can you intentionally gimp your product ...
The argument is so braindead stupid, instead of printing simply enough to give a market what they want, the product is intentionally BAD so nobody buys it.
Its the most moronic stupid move you could ever make, but hey, not that i expect anything more from WotC ...
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Now, as for complaints about how the cards aren't exactly top teir standard, they said they pointed them at planeswalker deck level. That doesn't mean they aren't fun, though. I really like my fatties excessively fat and every single one of the cards has people I've seen that like them. That doesn't mean we're dumb. It just means we aren't obsessed with playing tournament Magic constantly. There was never a chance of getting $20 standard cards in it anyway, so I don't really see the problem.
Its like they do exactly that to make the cards terrible, simply ensure they are overcosted, so nobody will ever play them, unless the effect is so special that this extra penalty is still not fixing it.
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Anyway, i simply know that these products sell TERRIBLE at an LGS level and they will be sold for massive price reductions in hopes at least someone picks them up.
Its just plain bad and it takes not much to make them at least semi reasonable to buy.
If they have a product that sells like hot cakes it actually good for everyone as long as they dont print cards that are not available anywhere else.
As its 1 big package you dont have the issue that other products have, when just 1 deck is good and the rest are garbage (as stores have to order a package of all of them, and when only 1 sells and the others not, thats not really good).
But a product that is just plain good and has value, it will sell guaranteed, and even if people buy the decks just for some single value cards, all the other cards are even cheaper to get (or people will just "gift" them to new players as they have absolutely no use for them).
But most importantly, it ensures the product is useful in a much broader customer spectrum and is pretty much guaranteed to make money for stores and everyone involved.
A terrible product that is so bad, just to ensure a store is guaranteed to have one left over is just a terrible product and an even worse business.
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