I got all 4 for 85€, so I get my value and can tinker with the stuff (even the subpar stuff) a bit. If nothing else it gave me a Ninja commander and a basis for an artifact deck I can build upon.
I hope next years will be something more interesting again. Werewolves would be neat.
I think you got robbed. The only cards that got any value are the new cards and those are just going to get crushed when this releases. Lot of the weaker
commander precons routinely go for under 20€ and all of these precons are weak.
worst part is that most of reprints are so bad that you can't even trade them away.
What I hate the most about this year commander is that they will probably use pour sales ( thinking this will flop) as a argument for why they won’t return to kamigawa
The sad truth
What? I hate to break it to you, but Kamigawa isn't even on the table. The block failed by almost every conceivable metric, and a vocal minority that appreciates it retroactively is not enough for them to roll the dice. They know it has its fans though, which is why we get callbacks in supplemental sets and Tamiyo, of course.
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What I hate the most about this year commander is that they will probably use pour sales ( thinking this will flop) as a argument for why they won’t return to kamigawa
The sad truth
What? I hate to break it to you, but Kamigawa isn't even on the table. The block failed by almost every conceivable metric, and a vocal minority that appreciates it retroactively is not enough for them to roll the dice. They know it has its fans though, which is why we get callbacks in supplemental sets and Tamiyo, of course.
Kamigawa block was set up to fail from the start: No support for the legendary theme, mostly poor mechanics, most of which were parasitic, mostly overcosted cards, and way to much focus on the tribes without any real support for them. And to top it off, stuck between two very powerful and well made blocks. If most of the cards had cost 1 to 2 mana less, the block had contained less parasitic mechanics, there had been more support for the legendary theme and tribes, about 10% of the creatures hadn't been part of a tribe, and around 10% of the rare creatures hadn't been legendary, then Kamigawa block would have been a success. It is a textbook example of what not to do when building a block.
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What? I hate to break it to you, but Kamigawa isn't even on the table. The block failed by almost every conceivable metric, and a vocal minority that appreciates it retroactively is not enough for them to roll the dice. They know it has its fans though, which is why we get callbacks in supplemental sets and Tamiyo, of course.
Kamigawa fans are playing the long game - waiting until they run every popular return plane ever into the ground as much as they did with Oath of the Gatewatch and Dragons's Maze, and then when their popularity is just as low as Kamigawa's the final set of the game can finally return.
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you don't have the balls to reprint what's necessary. Because you're afraid of upsetting investors. IT'S A CARD GAME, NOT THE STOCK MARKET. GET YOUR HEADS ROUND THAT FACT.
Seems like everyone here *****ing LOUDLY about lack of 'value' of them are the same people who tried to outrace the very same (evil) secondary market by preordering stuff before they knew what was even in it. (To, you know...cash in on value.) They decided with incomplete information. In other words they gambled.
But now (like most gamblers who lose) they're mad they took a gamble and now they want to throw a tantrum about it having been a bad gamble. First, they are disappointed. Then, they get frustrated. Then they get angry. Rather than wisely taking stock of their own poor decision-making process, they would rather project this frustration and disappointment on to Wizards and predictably turn it into this righteous crusade against the 'greedy investors' of Magic. .....OK.
I see this basically every single set they release.
STOP. PREORDERING. How many people need to tell you this before you finally listen.
And now all of these angry people will come yell at ME now. Because I and my unsupportive pov are clearly part of the 'actual problem' here.
you don't have the balls to reprint what's necessary. Because you're afraid of upsetting investors. IT'S A CARD GAME, NOT THE STOCK MARKET. GET YOUR HEADS ROUND THAT FACT.
Seems like everyone here *****ing LOUDLY about lack of 'value' of them are the same people who tried to outrace the very same (evil) secondary market by preordering stuff before they knew what was even in it. (To, you know...cash in on value.) They decided with incomplete information. In other words they gambled.
But now (like most gamblers who lose) they're mad they took a gamble and now they want to throw a tantrum about it having been a bad gamble. First, they are disappointed. Then, they get frustrated. Then they get angry. Rather than wisely taking stock of their own poor decision-making process, they would rather project this frustration and disappointment on to Wizards and predictably turn it into this righteous crusade against the 'greedy investors' of Magic. .....OK.
I see this basically every single set they release.
STOP. PREORDERING. How many people need to tell you this before you finally listen.
And now all of these angry people will come yell at ME now. Because I and my unsupportive pov are clearly part of the 'actual problem' here.
For the record, I didn't preorder. I've preordered booster boxes of sets, but that's about it. I don't think I've ever preordered a Commander product - I've always hunted them in the wild, stalking through retail centers in search of my prey.
I'm more upset about the gameplay value of the cards in these, not the monetary value, although the two values are correlated - people aren't stupid, they don't want to play with suboptimal cards, they want to play with what works the best for their deck, so naturally demand for what works best is high and what doesn't is lower. I'm not averse to people making money off of selling cards, but for a single card to be upwards of $50 is not a situation that should happen often, if it should happen at all. Maybe for foils, I can understand that, or a promo, or something that isn't easily available. But for essential cards, cards that should be reprinted all the time? Cards that see play in a wide swath of decks? No.
The situation with lands makes my blood boil. Again, gameplay over money - a dual that comes in untapped is always, always going to be better than the alternative. So why is it that ETBT has become de rigeur these days? It makes no sense - who wants to play with a deck where you play your land and then pass your turn because everything's come in tapped? Better question, who CAN play with a deck like that?
What I also fail to understand is this: Are there any supporting data that people who are interested in playing MtG for the first time do so by starting with Commander? An eternal and complicated format? Who said this?
On the other hand, if this is aimed for people who know the game mechanics and want to give a go at the format in the age of ''I can find any information in the world on 5 seconds online'' , those players can understand that the manabases are totally suboptimal. I am not even talking about synergies within the decks and hidden mechanics, just that after a certain amount of Magic games it is rather OBVIOUS that it's not cool if the majority of my lands enter tapped because my play is super slow.Casual players are casual, not stupid. No? Am I wrong?
What I also fail to understand is this: Are there any supporting data that people who are interested in playing MtG for the first time do so by starting with Commander? An eternal and complicated format? Who said this?
On the other hand, if this is aimed for people who know the game mechanics and want to give a go at the format in the age of ''I can find any information in the world on 5 seconds online'' , those players can understand that the manabases are totally suboptimal. I am not even talking about synergies within the decks and hidden mechanics, just that after a certain amount of Magic games it is rather OBVIOUS that it's not cool if the majority of my lands enter tapped because my play is super slow.Casual players are casual, not stupid. No? Am I wrong?
You are not wrong, and what really irks me is that there are plenty of fairly cheap rare lands that don't come into play tapped that could have been put in these decks, even two or three of them in each deck would have improved the manabase considerably. Heck, a couple of them are reprinted frequently. Would it have hurt WotC at all to put in checklands in these decks? Only one or two in each. Painlands would also have been preferable over what we got. Exotic Orchard could easily have gone in the three color decks, as could City of Brass. Or the Odyssey lands. it's not like there aren't options available for WotC to choose from. It's like they didn't even try.
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What I also fail to understand is this: Are there any supporting data that people who are interested in playing MtG for the first time do so by starting with Commander? An eternal and complicated format? Who said this?
On the other hand, if this is aimed for people who know the game mechanics and want to give a go at the format in the age of ''I can find any information in the world on 5 seconds online'' , those players can understand that the manabases are totally suboptimal. I am not even talking about synergies within the decks and hidden mechanics, just that after a certain amount of Magic games it is rather OBVIOUS that it's not cool if the majority of my lands enter tapped because my play is super slow.Casual players are casual, not stupid. No? Am I wrong?
You are not wrong, and what really irks me is that there are plenty of fairly cheap rare lands that don't come into play tapped that could have been put in these decks, even two or three of them in each deck would have improved the manabase considerably. Heck, a couple of them are reprinted frequently. Would it have hurt WotC at all to put in checklands in these decks? Only one or two in each. Painlands would also have been preferable over what we got. Exotic Orchard could easily have gone in the three color decks, as could City of Brass. Or the Odyssey lands. it's not like there aren't options available for WotC to choose from. It's like they didn't even try.
Where talking about the same company who ended up only putting Chromatic Lantern in one of the four color decks despite all of them needing it. And then more bafflingly not putting it in the all color dragon deck the year after even though the deck really could have used it.
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What I also fail to understand is this: Are there any supporting data that people who are interested in playing MtG for the first time do so by starting with Commander? An eternal and complicated format? Who said this?
On the other hand, if this is aimed for people who know the game mechanics and want to give a go at the format in the age of ''I can find any information in the world on 5 seconds online'' , those players can understand that the manabases are totally suboptimal. I am not even talking about synergies within the decks and hidden mechanics, just that after a certain amount of Magic games it is rather OBVIOUS that it's not cool if the majority of my lands enter tapped because my play is super slow.Casual players are casual, not stupid. No? Am I wrong?
You are not wrong, and what really irks me is that there are plenty of fairly cheap rare lands that don't come into play tapped that could have been put in these decks, even two or three of them in each deck would have improved the manabase considerably. Heck, a couple of them are reprinted frequently. Would it have hurt WotC at all to put in checklands in these decks? Only one or two in each. Painlands would also have been preferable over what we got. Exotic Orchard could easily have gone in the three color decks, as could City of Brass. Or the Odyssey lands. it's not like there aren't options available for WotC to choose from. It's like they didn't even try.
Where talking about the same company who ended up only putting Chromatic Lantern in one of the four color decks despite all of them needing it. And then more bafflingly not putting it in the all color dragon deck the year after even though the deck really could have used it.
To be fair, the all dragon deck could have used *any* artifact that tapped for a mana of any color, and it did get two. None of this years decks got any of the obvious Alara Obelisks to help with mana fixing, heck, only one got Commander's Sphere. Most barely got any mana fixing artifacts at all (the obligatory Sol Ring obviously). The deck that could most use it, didn't even get Armillary Sphere. The deck lists, particularly the land choices, are horrific and very poor to the extent that the decks are borderline unplayable as they are.
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Well, the truth is that this is a result of Commander 2017 and the reprint equity issue that the company is constantly (and probably unrealistically) obsessed over. The pattern that Wizards has with sets is that they make a good set to boost confidence in the company and capitalize on that with the following set (See commander 2016 -> commander 2017). Then, they keep this going until they hit a dud set. Once they hit a dud set, they start the pattern over again. This pattern is maintainable because the turnover in the game prevents most consumers from seeing the pattern. People will often quit when the game gets bad and people declare it dead, then when the game hits a high point again new people come back into it, often with no concept of the past cycles of boom and bust.
Not saying that this pattern is a good excuse for the situation with these decks, though. I don't see 10 cards that really shine as universally wanted reprints in the commander decks. Most of them are random filler pick ups with minimal worth. There are cards in these that were reprinted as recently as Masters 25. If reprint equity is the only concern they have, than they should have Damnation, Sensei's Divining Top, Greater Auramancy, Enchanted Evening, The Gitrog Monster, Courser of Kruphix, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Primeval Bounty, Sylvan Safekeeper, and why in the world is there not even a Groundskeeper in the lands matter deck? That card is freaking 22 cents and is often Crucible of Worlds filler card number 3 or 4 for singleton.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yeah perhaps we are overfocused on cost...I think most of us could pick out cards that keep the cost of the deck on release at about 120 USD that would fit the theme. There are what have a dozen youtube channels that pump out budget decks. Doesn't fix all the problems cause some new cards looking at you JUND LANDS are off theme anyway.
I'm in an odd limbo with this in that the new cards are just so awesome, but the lack of accessibility to certain others (just now I noticed the sore absence of Merchant Scroll) makes me feel disappointed. There does seem to be a small pool of cards they dip into that I think they should branch out from. Give new borders to older cards, make certain overdue staples less expensive. It doesn't have to be a handful of $20 cards to matter. The collective value of a dozen $2-3 cards could make all the difference, especially for older cards that all look like they've been found in a dryer but have to be used because of no reprint.
Oof, these decks suck. The reprints are really stupid. A lot of them are worse versions of other cards that aren't even worth that much. It's like they actively chose to make these decks worse by replacing good cards with worse ones(higher cmc, sorcery instead of instant, etc). And did they try to piss us off with these manabases? What the hell?
And are only two of these decks adding up to more than their MSRP+tax?
Seems like everyone here *****ing LOUDLY about lack of 'value' of them are the same people who tried to outrace the very same (evil) secondary market by preordering stuff before they knew what was even in it. (To, you know...cash in on value.) They decided with incomplete information. In other words they gambled.
But now (like most gamblers who lose) they're mad they took a gamble and now they want to throw a tantrum about it having been a bad gamble. First, they are disappointed. Then, they get frustrated. Then they get angry. Rather than wisely taking stock of their own poor decision-making process, they would rather project this frustration and disappointment on to Wizards and predictably turn it into this righteous crusade against the 'greedy investors' of Magic. .....OK.
I see this basically every single set they release.
STOP. PREORDERING. How many people need to tell you this before you finally listen.
And now all of these angry people will come yell at ME now. Because I and my unsupportive pov are clearly part of the 'actual problem' here.
Can I agree with what you're saying and the idea that these decks are pretty tepid (due more to content than value imo but i digest)? (Granted, I don't want to do too much "where's [card X]? where's [card Y]?" cause I can do that every year. Have you realized that they have not printed Demonic Tutor in any of these, even though every* deck with black is provably better with Demonic Tutor in it? I mean, what the HELL is going on with this BS?! And you seriously mean to tell me we haven't seen a single Stranglehold or Price of Glory other than the C11 Stranglehold, both of which could be serious boons for any control-y deck that includes red? [continues making ranting Muttley noises into the night]
*give or take)
I still can't get over how much the Windgrace deck does NOT feel like "lands matter." I'm assuming that someone forgot after building the deck that it was something else, looked at how much the first two abilities cared about lands, and went "oh wait it's land matters! Yeah, for sure!"
What? I hate to break it to you, but Kamigawa isn't even on the table. The block failed by almost every conceivable metric, and a vocal minority that appreciates it retroactively is not enough for them to roll the dice. They know it has its fans though, which is why we get callbacks in supplemental sets and Tamiyo, of course.
Kamigawa fans are playing the long game - waiting until they run every popular return plane ever into the ground as much as they did with Oath of the Gatewatch and Dragons's Maze, and then when their popularity is just as low as Kamigawa's the final set of the game can finally return.
Haha, I hear you brother. As you can tell by my avatar, I'm a fan of the Kamigawa block. Now might have to wait until "Return to Guilds of Ravnica" block is done (2028), but our time will come.
Considering Yuriko is one of the most expensive and best selling cards out of these decks, I hope WOTC get the hint that we should Return to Kamigawa. But as I always say, just give me the remaining Kamigawa novel characters as cards and I'll gladly wait.
Anyway, enough complaining. Let's be productive. When I rallied everyone to vote for characters, we got 4 Legends off the list in this one product. Tawnos, Xantcha, Arixmethes, Windgrace.
I say we brainstorm a list of what cards require reprints for Commander and email it to Gavin, Maro and Ken. Someone with a better attention span than me start a thread and amass the list. Off the top of my head, I can think of these:
Scroll Rack
Cyclonic Rift
Rhystic Study
Merchant Scroll
Sylvan Tutor
Worldly Tutor
Greater Auramancy
Sterling Grove
Soothsaying
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I honestly think they be fine going back as well stick to the Ninjas, Samurai, Pirates and Monks in a more anime inspired setting (which is pretty popular especially in presumably the target demo) and reduce the prevalence of spirits or at least All The Humans vs All The Spirits.
I think you got robbed. The only cards that got any value are the new cards and those are just going to get crushed when this releases. Lot of the weaker
commander precons routinely go for under 20€ and all of these precons are weak.
worst part is that most of reprints are so bad that you can't even trade them away.
What? I hate to break it to you, but Kamigawa isn't even on the table. The block failed by almost every conceivable metric, and a vocal minority that appreciates it retroactively is not enough for them to roll the dice. They know it has its fans though, which is why we get callbacks in supplemental sets and Tamiyo, of course.
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Kamigawa block was set up to fail from the start: No support for the legendary theme, mostly poor mechanics, most of which were parasitic, mostly overcosted cards, and way to much focus on the tribes without any real support for them. And to top it off, stuck between two very powerful and well made blocks. If most of the cards had cost 1 to 2 mana less, the block had contained less parasitic mechanics, there had been more support for the legendary theme and tribes, about 10% of the creatures hadn't been part of a tribe, and around 10% of the rare creatures hadn't been legendary, then Kamigawa block would have been a success. It is a textbook example of what not to do when building a block.
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Kamigawa fans are playing the long game - waiting until they run every popular return plane ever into the ground as much as they did with Oath of the Gatewatch and Dragons's Maze, and then when their popularity is just as low as Kamigawa's the final set of the game can finally return.
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Sadly, I will just be buying singles this time. I didn't like many of the new cards, so there is really no value.
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Seems like everyone here *****ing LOUDLY about lack of 'value' of them are the same people who tried to outrace the very same (evil) secondary market by preordering stuff before they knew what was even in it. (To, you know...cash in on value.) They decided with incomplete information. In other words they gambled.
But now (like most gamblers who lose) they're mad they took a gamble and now they want to throw a tantrum about it having been a bad gamble. First, they are disappointed. Then, they get frustrated. Then they get angry. Rather than wisely taking stock of their own poor decision-making process, they would rather project this frustration and disappointment on to Wizards and predictably turn it into this righteous crusade against the 'greedy investors' of Magic. .....OK.
I see this basically every single set they release.
STOP. PREORDERING. How many people need to tell you this before you finally listen.
And now all of these angry people will come yell at ME now. Because I and my unsupportive pov are clearly part of the 'actual problem' here.
There is still value in these
But not as much as all the other years
For the record, I didn't preorder. I've preordered booster boxes of sets, but that's about it. I don't think I've ever preordered a Commander product - I've always hunted them in the wild, stalking through retail centers in search of my prey.
I'm more upset about the gameplay value of the cards in these, not the monetary value, although the two values are correlated - people aren't stupid, they don't want to play with suboptimal cards, they want to play with what works the best for their deck, so naturally demand for what works best is high and what doesn't is lower. I'm not averse to people making money off of selling cards, but for a single card to be upwards of $50 is not a situation that should happen often, if it should happen at all. Maybe for foils, I can understand that, or a promo, or something that isn't easily available. But for essential cards, cards that should be reprinted all the time? Cards that see play in a wide swath of decks? No.
The situation with lands makes my blood boil. Again, gameplay over money - a dual that comes in untapped is always, always going to be better than the alternative. So why is it that ETBT has become de rigeur these days? It makes no sense - who wants to play with a deck where you play your land and then pass your turn because everything's come in tapped? Better question, who CAN play with a deck like that?
On the other hand, if this is aimed for people who know the game mechanics and want to give a go at the format in the age of ''I can find any information in the world on 5 seconds online'' , those players can understand that the manabases are totally suboptimal. I am not even talking about synergies within the decks and hidden mechanics, just that after a certain amount of Magic games it is rather OBVIOUS that it's not cool if the majority of my lands enter tapped because my play is super slow.Casual players are casual, not stupid. No? Am I wrong?
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You are not wrong, and what really irks me is that there are plenty of fairly cheap rare lands that don't come into play tapped that could have been put in these decks, even two or three of them in each deck would have improved the manabase considerably. Heck, a couple of them are reprinted frequently. Would it have hurt WotC at all to put in checklands in these decks? Only one or two in each. Painlands would also have been preferable over what we got. Exotic Orchard could easily have gone in the three color decks, as could City of Brass. Or the Odyssey lands. it's not like there aren't options available for WotC to choose from. It's like they didn't even try.
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Where talking about the same company who ended up only putting Chromatic Lantern in one of the four color decks despite all of them needing it. And then more bafflingly not putting it in the all color dragon deck the year after even though the deck really could have used it.
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To be fair, the all dragon deck could have used *any* artifact that tapped for a mana of any color, and it did get two. None of this years decks got any of the obvious Alara Obelisks to help with mana fixing, heck, only one got Commander's Sphere. Most barely got any mana fixing artifacts at all (the obligatory Sol Ring obviously). The deck that could most use it, didn't even get Armillary Sphere. The deck lists, particularly the land choices, are horrific and very poor to the extent that the decks are borderline unplayable as they are.
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Not saying that this pattern is a good excuse for the situation with these decks, though. I don't see 10 cards that really shine as universally wanted reprints in the commander decks. Most of them are random filler pick ups with minimal worth. There are cards in these that were reprinted as recently as Masters 25. If reprint equity is the only concern they have, than they should have Damnation, Sensei's Divining Top, Greater Auramancy, Enchanted Evening, The Gitrog Monster, Courser of Kruphix, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Primeval Bounty, Sylvan Safekeeper, and why in the world is there not even a Groundskeeper in the lands matter deck? That card is freaking 22 cents and is often Crucible of Worlds filler card number 3 or 4 for singleton.
Oh gods, lets see what else there was...
Titania, Protector of Argoth
Retreat to Emeria
Retreat to Kazandu
Zendikar's Roil
Ramunap Excavator
Boundless Realms
Exploration
I think we could go all day with the Lands Matter deck fiasco. Also, it looks like they intended this product to work with Battlebond and the summer sets. Obvious upgrades for some of these decks include Satyr Enchanter, Elvish Rejuvenator, Novice Knight, Skilled Animator, Sai, Master Thopterist, and Druid of Horns from core 2019. I'm sure I missed some there. Battlebond has Arcane Artisan that is nuts with the new legendary from the izzit deck, Bramble Sovereign, Mycosynth Lattice, Doubling Season (this last one isn't quite as important to this group of decks), and just way more stuff than I can possibly list here.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
And are only two of these decks adding up to more than their MSRP+tax?
Can I agree with what you're saying and the idea that these decks are pretty tepid (due more to content than value imo but i digest)? (Granted, I don't want to do too much "where's [card X]? where's [card Y]?" cause I can do that every year. Have you realized that they have not printed Demonic Tutor in any of these, even though every* deck with black is provably better with Demonic Tutor in it? I mean, what the HELL is going on with this BS?! And you seriously mean to tell me we haven't seen a single Stranglehold or Price of Glory other than the C11 Stranglehold, both of which could be serious boons for any control-y deck that includes red? [continues making ranting Muttley noises into the night]
*give or take)
I still can't get over how much the Windgrace deck does NOT feel like "lands matter." I'm assuming that someone forgot after building the deck that it was something else, looked at how much the first two abilities cared about lands, and went "oh wait it's land matters! Yeah, for sure!"
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Anyway, enough complaining. Let's be productive. When I rallied everyone to vote for characters, we got 4 Legends off the list in this one product. Tawnos, Xantcha, Arixmethes, Windgrace.
I say we brainstorm a list of what cards require reprints for Commander and email it to Gavin, Maro and Ken. Someone with a better attention span than me start a thread and amass the list. Off the top of my head, I can think of these:
Scroll Rack
Cyclonic Rift
Rhystic Study
Merchant Scroll
Sylvan Tutor
Worldly Tutor
Greater Auramancy
Sterling Grove
Soothsaying
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
He is a buffoon.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||