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EDH Decks UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition) WRKalemne's Angels BRUG Yidris's Wild Party UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys UBRThe Pretender
Currently Playing: Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me! Legacy: RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R RGBelcherRG WSoldier StompyW BReanimatorB EDH: BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
These cards were expected. Easy and cheap so they are basically shoe in. problem is with the new cards not having anything to do with the theme, specially the jund legends.
Why bother getting the precon if anyone can jsut get these cards really cheaply from other sets.
"But these products are for new players to get these cards with more avaialability". NO, jsut no. It should apeal to lots of types of players. People were asking for these exact themes because they msot likelly want to build sutch themes with new cards and reprints of expensive cards to be more available.
Need more Azusa, Crucible of Worlds and Oracle of Muldaya level of repritns and new cards with interesting abilities like Gitrog, Titania and Angry Omnath.
But thats my opinion. Maybe they will reveal those type of cards later...
And let's not be too quick to judge reprint values as the majority of the deck hasn't been spoiled yet. There may be better to come.
(But if all of the reprints are at this range, I may just go with singles this year)
This kind of feels like Iconic Masters and M25, where Wizards says they’re giving us great cards at an increased price and don’t deliver. At least they got Modern Masters 2017 right.
I also thought I only paid $30 last year...
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Modern
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Unless they are saving some truly stellar reprints for the full reveal this lands deck really does seem like a dud. I already have a jund lands deck and was stoked for new toys. As is, I'll probably just pick up Nesting Dragon as a single and MAYBE Lord Windgrace and his Judgement card, but those may not even make the cut. Oh well, WOTC can't win them all.
They won’t be, because it will shift to “but these are reprints!”
I mean, that is kind of the thing though. We still have reveals to go, but the pitch was "Jund Lands matter" as the theme and so far we only have two cards that are new and care about lands: Lord Windgrace and Nesting Dragon. If I was feeling extremely generous, I'd say that Gyrus, Waker of Corpses is also "lands matter" since he scales with mana well, but his text clearly aims for more of a dredge/sacrifice/reanimator/hydra sort of vibe.
Unless they are saving some truly stellar reprints for the full reveal this lands deck really does seem like a dud. I already have a jund lands deck and was stoked for new toys. As is, I'll probably just pick up Nesting Dragon as a single and MAYBE Lord Windgrace and his Judgement card, but those may not even make the cut. Oh well, WOTC can't win them all.
I’ve been critical of the product but Windgrace’s Judgement seems great to me. At instant speed you can destroy any nonland permanant of all your opponents, and you could even chose to spare certain opponents. How do you not fall in love with that card?
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Modern
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Yeah I was thinking of buying the Windgrace deck because Windgrace himself looks like the Jund Control commander I had been waiting for. But with the "Lands Matters" cards being no such thing and the other commanders being just more +1/+1 counters crap, I'll just get Windgrace and Xantcha as singles instead.
If the artifacts deck doesn't have at least 30 cards that fit into the Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain deck I was already thinking of building when they spoiled the themes, this will be the first year I don't buy a single Commander precon. It's already been the first year I don't buy a single Duel Deck, Masters Set booster or non-Standard sealed product booster either. So I'm sadly not surprised.
Need more Azusa, Crucible of Worlds and Oracle of Muldaya level of repritns and new cards with interesting abilities like Gitrog, Titania and Angry Omnath.
But thats my opinion. Maybe they will reveal those type of cards later...
As much as I would absolutely love thise cards being reprinted in a Commander deck, it won't happen (I will happily eat those words, though.)
Every two-bit 'investor' and wannabee speculator would buy the product out and they'd never be seen by most people. Look at what happened with True-Name Nemesis.
Again, I would absolutely love it if those cards were printed. But I doubt they will.
Need more Azusa, Crucible of Worlds and Oracle of Muldaya level of repritns and new cards with interesting abilities like Gitrog, Titania and Angry Omnath.
But thats my opinion. Maybe they will reveal those type of cards later...
As much as I would absolutely love thise cards being reprinted in a Commander deck, it won't happen (I will happily eat those words, though.)
Every two-bit 'investor' and wannabee speculator would buy the product out and they'd never be seen by most people. Look at what happened with True-Name Nemesis.
Again, I would absolutely love it if those cards were printed. But I doubt they will.
Azusa is actually at a very reasonable price point for a commander reprint, thanks to her recent M25 reprinting. Even oracle would be possible, though a stretch. Or like exploration. Given the value of everything so far, any one of those would be possible. Sure hope we get one.
Very good card, unfortunately it's probably one of those ones they want to stick in a booster box. That and it's got the dredge keyword on it so that can limit where it can be reprinted.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The cards are:
Explosive Vegetation
Rampaging Baloths
Scute Mob
Centaur Vinecrasher (already in its own thread)
EDIT: On a related note, Gavin says there are three more new cards being shown today, two of which are land matters (why these weren't shown earlier to promote a lands matter deck is anyone's guess).
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/91klcz/gavin_verhey_tweet_there_are_more_landsmatter_and/ the twitter post and Gavin's comment
EDH Decks
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition)
WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
They won’t be, because it will shift to “but these are reprints!”
How much are they this year?
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I'm thinking this is more ramp focused than graveyard focused but we will get some graveyard stuff
LOL. You don't understand the problem do you..
These cards were expected. Easy and cheap so they are basically shoe in. problem is with the new cards not having anything to do with the theme, specially the jund legends.
Why bother getting the precon if anyone can jsut get these cards really cheaply from other sets.
"But these products are for new players to get these cards with more avaialability". NO, jsut no. It should apeal to lots of types of players. People were asking for these exact themes because they msot likelly want to build sutch themes with new cards and reprints of expensive cards to be more available.
Need more Azusa, Crucible of Worlds and Oracle of Muldaya level of repritns and new cards with interesting abilities like Gitrog, Titania and Angry Omnath.
But thats my opinion. Maybe they will reveal those type of cards later...
And the artifact deck had more to do with tokens...
$40 MSRP instead of $35
And let's not be too quick to judge reprint values as the majority of the deck hasn't been spoiled yet. There may be better to come.
(But if all of the reprints are at this range, I may just go with singles this year)
Geez, didn't they just jack up the price to $35 a few years back? This rate of increase is kind of insane.
This kind of feels like Iconic Masters and M25, where Wizards says they’re giving us great cards at an increased price and don’t deliver. At least they got Modern Masters 2017 right.
I also thought I only paid $30 last year...
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
The internet can be scary.
I mean, that is kind of the thing though. We still have reveals to go, but the pitch was "Jund Lands matter" as the theme and so far we only have two cards that are new and care about lands: Lord Windgrace and Nesting Dragon. If I was feeling extremely generous, I'd say that Gyrus, Waker of Corpses is also "lands matter" since he scales with mana well, but his text clearly aims for more of a dredge/sacrifice/reanimator/hydra sort of vibe.
Meanwhile, while the artifact deck also explores diverse themes and options, it has several more all-new cards that actually care about artifacts:
Saheeli, the Gifted
Tawnos, Urza's Apprentice
Echo Storm
Vedalken Humiliator
Saheeli's Directive
Additionally, while Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer, Ancient Stone Idol, and Retrofitter Foundry are more "token" than "artifact" cards and Treasure Nabber, Coveted Jewel, and Endless Atlas are more general utility than artifact matters, the connection to the theme is waaaay less tenuous than it is with the Jund deck having ridiculously expensive stuff since expensive stuff is good in a lands deck.
RCRDaretti: Superfriends Forever RCR
WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
I’ve been critical of the product but Windgrace’s Judgement seems great to me. At instant speed you can destroy any nonland permanant of all your opponents, and you could even chose to spare certain opponents. How do you not fall in love with that card?
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Maybe they should stick to Tribal......those decks were pretty good and on theme.
If the artifacts deck doesn't have at least 30 cards that fit into the Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain deck I was already thinking of building when they spoiled the themes, this will be the first year I don't buy a single Commander precon. It's already been the first year I don't buy a single Duel Deck, Masters Set booster or non-Standard sealed product booster either. So I'm sadly not surprised.
As much as I would absolutely love thise cards being reprinted in a Commander deck, it won't happen (I will happily eat those words, though.)
Every two-bit 'investor' and wannabee speculator would buy the product out and they'd never be seen by most people. Look at what happened with True-Name Nemesis.
Again, I would absolutely love it if those cards were printed. But I doubt they will.
Azusa is actually at a very reasonable price point for a commander reprint, thanks to her recent M25 reprinting. Even oracle would be possible, though a stretch. Or like exploration. Given the value of everything so far, any one of those would be possible. Sure hope we get one.
These are not the "land matters" cards we want.
Very good card, unfortunately it's probably one of those ones they want to stick in a booster box. That and it's got the dredge keyword on it so that can limit where it can be reprinted.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||