I'm actually kind of glad SFM didn't come off just yet. I want a couple more playsets, and even though it's plenty fair of a card to be freed, they JUST gave us Jace, it's probably too soon. Move too fast and they start looking at more dangerous cards just to have something to announce.
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Stop with speculation already. SFM being unbanned for modern doesn't make sense. If you're looking for deck diversity, you can't have SFM in Modern. It'll be the best two drop creature by far.
Two mana tutor is just stupid. Cheap tutors always break the game.
That said, these two cards are good bans. Next time they might look at Brainstorm haha...
Phyrexian mana breaks the color pie and allows you free acceleration at the cost of life. Should never come back.
Not surprised at probe being banned, card is busted through and through has been since release of new phyrexia. Deathrite shaman also isn't surprising.
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I am so done with bull***** from WotC man. I wouldn't necessarily it kills it, but this is such a huge blow to one of my favorite decks of all time (Manaless Dredge). Absolutely pissed.
Manaless Dredge is questionable now, but with DRS gone, Dredge can make a comeback. Incidental GY hate off DRS has been hurting Reanimator, dredge and GY decks since RTR came out. Hope you got some LEDs.
Ouch ! I wonder if it doesn't outright kill Manaless Dredge, one of the best viable budget deck of Legacy :/
(without it being broken by any means)
I have it myself and I can't afford to upgrade to a "Normal" Dredge so yeah, that sucks.
I also played the Probe in Ruby Storm, another budget deck...
Maybe I should just cash out from Legacy and only keep my mono red Goblins
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If you're looking for velocity, urza's/Mishra's bauble are free cantrips that also give you a bit of info for therapy, the issue is it's slower. Generally speaking the deathrite hit should make things easier so the reduced speed should be fine now that fifty percent of decks aren't packing incidental graveyard hate.
Phyrexian mana breaks the color pie and allows you free acceleration at the cost of life. Should never come back.
Not surprised at probe being banned, card is busted through and through has been since release of new phyrexia. Deathrite shaman also isn't surprising.
This. Colored Phyrexian Mana was a mistake.
Colorless Phyrexian, imo, can still be an interesting design tool.
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Phyrexian mana breaks the color pie and allows you free acceleration at the cost of life. Should never come back.
This. Colored Phyrexian Mana was a mistake.
Colorless Phyrexian, imo, can still be an interesting design tool.
Colored Phyrexian mana isn't a problem on cards that would otherwise be colorless anyway, like artifacts. I mean, is Spined Thopter really breaking the color pie?
And colorless/generic Phyexian mana symbols are harder to define now that colorless mana and generic mana costs are more distinct. Does a grey circle with the symbol on it stand for 2 life or C, 2 life or 1, or something else?
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Phyrexian mana breaks the color pie and allows you free acceleration at the cost of life. Should never come back.
This. Colored Phyrexian Mana was a mistake.
Colorless Phyrexian, imo, can still be an interesting design tool.
Colored Phyrexian mana isn't a problem on cards that would otherwise be colorless anyway, like artifacts. I mean, is Spined Thopter really breaking the color pie?
And colorless/generic Phyexian mana symbols are harder to define now that colorless mana and generic mana costs are more distinct. Does a grey circle with the symbol on it stand for 2 life or C, 2 life or 1, or something else?
The execution of Phyrexian Mana was 100% a mistake. Sure, there are bad cards that just happen to have Phyrexian Mana in their Mana costs, but as a mechanic Phyrexian Mana was a mistake.
SFM was obviously not coming off this time. Should it come of yes but come on there was simply no good place for WOTC to reprint it and some of its favorite weapons for the rest of the year. Kor don't exist on Ravnica, we are already had masters and they are not causing massive price spikes on a single Planeswalker Deck.
The execution of Phyrexian Mana was 100% a mistake. Sure, there are bad cards that just happen to have Phyrexian Mana in their Mana costs, but as a mechanic Phyrexian Mana was a mistake.
And what criteria are you using to determine that?
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MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
When the most popular deck in an environment is also among the most winning decks with a win rate significantly above 50% over a long period of time, we investigate. [...] We've seen a reduction in diversity of blue-based non-combo decks [...] also [...] a reduction in diversity in the environment. [...] For these reasons, Deathrite Shaman is banned in Legacy.
Without a hint of irony when they've allowed this to go unchecked for over a decade. Hilarious really. Their blue-bias is obvious at this point, and they're almost making-light of it.
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Kind of surprised chainwhirler wasn't banned for standard. Maybe because what they did actually matched with my expectations for once, as core 2019 is coming out and rotation will soon flush the old standard out.
Going to admit, I saw a picture of DRS and Gitaxian probe and in the back of my mind I was silently going "please tell me that isn't the modern unban."
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Sorry to everyone who tried to make money off of SFM
Two mana tutor is just stupid. Cheap tutors always break the game.
That said, these two cards are good bans. Next time they might look at Brainstorm haha...
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Not surprised at probe being banned, card is busted through and through has been since release of new phyrexia. Deathrite shaman also isn't surprising.
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(without it being broken by any means)
I have it myself and I can't afford to upgrade to a "Normal" Dredge so yeah, that sucks.
I also played the Probe in Ruby Storm, another budget deck...
Maybe I should just cash out from Legacy and only keep my mono red Goblins
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Colorless Phyrexian, imo, can still be an interesting design tool.
-Chandra Nalaar
Colored Phyrexian mana isn't a problem on cards that would otherwise be colorless anyway, like artifacts. I mean, is Spined Thopter really breaking the color pie?
And colorless/generic Phyexian mana symbols are harder to define now that colorless mana and generic mana costs are more distinct. Does a grey circle with the symbol on it stand for 2 life or C, 2 life or 1, or something else?
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
The execution of Phyrexian Mana was 100% a mistake. Sure, there are bad cards that just happen to have Phyrexian Mana in their Mana costs, but as a mechanic Phyrexian Mana was a mistake.
And what criteria are you using to determine that?
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Without a hint of irony when they've allowed this to go unchecked for over a decade. Hilarious really. Their blue-bias is obvious at this point, and they're almost making-light of it.
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Going to admit, I saw a picture of DRS and Gitaxian probe and in the back of my mind I was silently going "please tell me that isn't the modern unban."
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Presumably they looked at what is leaving the Red Decks and what is coming and are like Chainwhirler will be fine.