But these are not "stolen" leaks. These cards were accidentally put into Dominaria boosters, which were purchased by normal consumers (who expected Dominaria cards, not M19 cards).
Okay, so let's say a pack of gum somehow ended up in your pockets by accident. You find the gum by surprise and realize you didn't pay for it. Does that give you the right to keep it without paying for it, just because it was accidental? The people who discovered these cards could have kept them a surprise until the proper time of their reveal. But nope, a moment of internet attention was more important. They paid for the pack, so yes, technically the cards do belong to them, but they could at least have had the decency to contact Wizards first to let them know about the leak so as not to undermine their marketing efforts.
Making Magic sets professionally is hard work. An office full of people have to coordinate to not only design and develop these products, but also to plan marketing, handle production, secure distribution in stores, handle PR, handle international content quality control, handle legality, and manage investments and losses. There is a lot of work involved with running a business, and when that business' profits are affected, everyone in the company is affected. If Wizards loses money, so too do the employees trying to make a living for their families.
And if we tolerate "minor" leaks like these, we open the doors to bigger leaks and encourage such exploitative behavior which will have longterm consequences for the company. Instead of punishing Wizards for an honest mistake, we should be working with them to mitigate the damages caused by such mistakes and quietly bring these things to their attention so they can figure out how to prevent such mistakes in the future.
But hey, what's a comapny and its hundreds of employees' well being compared to prematurely sating the curiosity of a handful of so-called "fans" on an internet forum?
You're really going off on a tangent here. These cards are nowhere close to your "bubblegum" example. Not by a long shot.
Based on what's been established, these aren't cards that were stolen from their facility by an employee. They're not cards stolen from an early shipment. They're not even cards cracked early by unscrupulous shops looking to make more money. They're errant cards inside legitimate packs sent out by WotC. If anything, the person should be upset they didn't get their Dominaria cards.
If you want to continue using this bubblegum analogy, then it's more like someone buying a pack of Bubble Yum and finding a few pieces of next years new, unreleased, flavor inside. That's it. The manufacturer goofed with their sorting and we got a hint of the next flavor. What do you think the consumer is going to do? Send them back? Of course not, they're going to enjoy their 15 minutes of fame.
I already acknowledged that the cards were technically purchased, so that's not physical property theft. But just because you accidentally got new flavors doesn't mean you leak them to the world before the company's ready. That's information theft, same as if you accidentally saw some confidential company trade information and leaked it onto the internet. It's the company's intellectual property, they alone have the right to decide when new product information is revealed.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I already acknowledged that the cards were technically purchased, so that's not physical property theft. But just because you accidentally got new flavors doesn't mean you leak them to the world before the company's ready. That's information theft, same as if you accidentally saw some confidential company trade information and leaked it onto the internet. It's the company's intellectual property, they alone have the right to decide when new product information is revealed.
Well, I think virtually everyone else but you would have felt comfortable about sharing this leak, especially how these cards weren’t stolen in any kind of way.
Well, I think virtually everyone else but you would have felt comfortable about sharing this leak, especially how these cards weren’t stolen in any kind of way.
Which I've already acknowledged twice. The theft here is one of opportunity rather than property. It's a willful exploitation of circumstance. And I wouldn't assume that "virtually everyone" agrees with my mindset, because experience has taught me that if anything I sadly am in the minority around here regarding my mindset. But I care more about the right mindset than the popular one. And if your claim is true, that means a lot of people around here clearly haven't tried organizing a product presentation or running a business. It's easy to say this is okay when it doesn't hurt you fiscally. Try telling a Wizards employee this is okay.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
As someone who is in game design and wants nothing more than to make the next big thing in gaming: if this happened to me, the only people I'd be angry with are the ones responsible for the cards being packaged. Blaming ones customer base, for most anything, is usually a bad idea. Blaming them for something that they didn't even do? get. out. of. here.
As someone who is in game design and wants nothing more than to make the next big thing in gaming: if this happened to me, the only people I'd be angry with are the ones responsible for the cards being packaged. Blaming ones customer base, for most anything, is usually a bad idea. Blaming them for something that they didn't even do? get. out. of. here.
Don't worry, WotC learned this the hard way after the Kozilek incident. While they didn't outright (as in legally word) blame towards the consumers, the tone of their articles back then were literally the formal way of wording themselves throwing a tantrum in front of the consumer base, which anyone can tell you is setting a PR disaster for yourself. They have since vastly improved (Dominaria, while it did hit a scheduling hiccup because of what I suspect was due to internal policies regarding the time between release of a set and the spoiler of the next, had a professional, swift and most importantly, humble response.)
Which I've already acknowledged twice. The theft here is one of opportunity rather than property. It's a willful exploitation of circumstance. And I wouldn't assume that "virtually everyone" agrees with my mindset, because experience has taught me that if anything I sadly am in the minority around here regarding my mindset. But I care more about the right mindset than the popular one. And if your claim is true, that means a lot of people around here clearly haven't tried organizing a product presentation or running a business. It's easy to say this is okay when it doesn't hurt you fiscally. Try telling a Wizards employee this is okay.
In fact, I'm surprised they haven't put an official statement out for this incident yet (I know they're probably still investigating on the back-end, but I was expecting the acknowledgement article first). It's easy to say "They got the Dominaria one out fast because it was the interesting half of the set, but these are just commons", but it is also a statement of sorts in by itself - does WotC itself place different priority orders for different form of leaks?
I know I'm sounding like a overly entitled consumer of some sort, but I'm "acting" (or more accurately stating) these statements out on purpose. In reality I don't really care for this case and am just taking in any information I am provided leak or not as a consumer, but I'm pointing out I can be overly critical if I wanted to and as a consumer, not only am I entitled to, it could jolly well be the right mindset to ask for swift response regarding the incident. I know over exaggerated this case (I even found my own example overbearing), but I was once truly livid about the way the company responded during the Kozilek incident (within the relative extent MTG has in my life only, meaning I obviously didn't let it affect my outside life, but it actually had an impact on MTG in my life).
What I'm really trying to get is that when it comes to protecting your own interests, you need to always assume the popular mindset, not the right one (otherwise it becomes the rhetoric that we wouldn't even need security and/or laws when applied to general living). If you want to establish a "right mindset" in a society/group, you either need to apply laws/rules and/or appeal to them socially. Clearly in the business-consumer relationship you can't just slap the first without major repercussions, so they're pretty much left with the second. I understand where your statement is coming from, but knowing the right mindset and applying it en masse are two completely different monsters of their own. So I hate to be blunt, but just stating the "right mindset" blankly here especially when everyone is running on hype (and naturally inclined to support what's popular) is almost no different from trying to "law" people from a social perspective.
The popular mindset may not be right, but stating that out isn't going to change anything. Given the circumstances (business-consumer relationship and other factors), the actual point is how does one solve it? I know we can't actually do anything about (we're not WotC), but that was why I gave that overly-entitled consumer example - if I don't see the same swift response regarding these commons as I did with the Dominaria leaks, that's a plausible source of assumption that WotC themselves aren't trying to change anything when it comes to mindsets. WotC then might want to fix that (or they could just make sure packaging doesn't go wrong at all so they don't even have to think about it, since it is a problem stemming from another after all, but then again leaks come various sources, so it's a common problem with various roots).
They might be deprioritizing responding to this leaks because most of these cards might not even be included in spoiler articles, so it wouldn't change any of their plans. For the most part these are the kind of cards that get revealed at the end in the full spoiler, so it might not even matter to them they were accidentally revealed too soon.
Well, I think virtually everyone else but you would have felt comfortable about sharing this leak, especially how these cards weren’t stolen in any kind of way.
Which I've already acknowledged twice. The theft here is one of opportunity rather than property. It's a willful exploitation of circumstance. And I wouldn't assume that "virtually everyone" agrees with my mindset, because experience has taught me that if anything I sadly am in the minority around here regarding my mindset. But I care more about the right mindset than the popular one. And if your claim is true, that means a lot of people around here clearly haven't tried organizing a product presentation or running a business. It's easy to say this is okay when it doesn't hurt you fiscally. Try telling a Wizards employee this is okay.
It is literally not theft in any way. If WotC did not want this to happen (something I am skeptical of) then they need to take this opportunity to chastise their printer and find solutions to prevent these problems from occurring again. The consumer is 100% allowed to take pictures of his legally obtained property and share it on social media.
As someone who is in game design and wants nothing more than to make the next big thing in gaming: if this happened to me, the only people I'd be angry with are the ones responsible for the cards being packaged. Blaming ones customer base, for most anything, is usually a bad idea. Blaming them for something that they didn't even do? get. out. of. here.
I'm not blaming them for the mispackaging. I'm holding them accountable for taking pictures of cards that aren't supposed to be out yet and putting them up online, undermining Wizards' product presentation plan. And the only reason no-one's batting an eye is because these are your usual filler commons which probably aren't getting their own preview article rather than, say, a major story-important mythic rare that very much would. I'm saying that if leaking one card would wrong, then leaking any card is wrong.
And yes, the packaging crew does need to address how this happened so steps can be taken to prevent such incidents in the future. That doesn't change the fact this is willful exploitation of circumstance, and even if it isn't technically illegal (and I would want to consult a lawyer to check that) it's still undercutting Wizards by leaking information before they were ready to release it.
I'm just grateful this leak didn't have any major cards in it.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I'm holding them accountable for taking pictures of cards that aren't supposed to be out yet and putting them up online, undermining Wizards' product presentation plan.
This is absolutely a ridiculous statement. Consumers are in no way beholden to any secret plans that the producer has. Would you say the same thing about people who played copy cat in standard before it was banned? Wotc said they did not catch the combo, that they would act upon it, yet people continued to play it until it was banned. They were acting against the will of wotc, but I think to claim you hold them accountable for doing something wrong is silly.
The issue here is one of packaging. If there are unreleased cards in a booster, it's 110% the printer's fault. To put any shame or accountability on the person who was cheated out of their Dominaria cards to receive a bunch of unusable cardboard is totally off base.
We live in a digital world. News breaks within minutes. We know about global events as they happen. To imagine something like this happening and not being submitted to the cloud of the internet is absurd and retro-wishful thinking. If the person who opened these decided to not put them online for the same feelings you have, respect or fear of lawsuit or whatever it is, then fine. But buying a booster does not include signing a contract that you agree to abide by any future release plans of wotc.
I get that you understand wotc's point of view, that if you're working on a presentation or project and part of it is leaked or whatever early, that can suck. But unless it was 100% not your fault that your plans were undermined, then you can only blame yourself, or blame the people you trusted to go through with your plan. Short of corporate espionage, there is always burden of blame on the plan-making party.
I'm holding them accountable for taking pictures of cards that aren't supposed to be out yet and putting them up online, undermining Wizards' product presentation plan.
This is absolutely a ridiculous statement. Consumers are in no way beholden to any secret plans that the producer has. Would you say the same thing about people who played copy cat in standard before it was banned? Wotc said they did not catch the combo, that they would act upon it, yet people continued to play it until it was banned. They were acting against the will of wotc, but I think to claim you hold them accountable for doing something wrong is silly.
The issue here is one of packaging. If there are unreleased cards in a booster, it's 110% the printer's fault. To put any shame or accountability on the person who was cheated out of their Dominaria cards to receive a bunch of unusable cardboard is totally off base.
We live in a digital world. News breaks within minutes. We know about global events as they happen. To imagine something like this happening and not being submitted to the cloud of the internet is absurd and retro-wishful thinking. If the person who opened these decided to not put them online for the same feelings you have, respect or fear of lawsuit or whatever it is, then fine. But buying a booster does not include signing a contract that you agree to abide by any future release plans of wotc.
I get that you understand wotc's point of view, that if you're working on a presentation or project and part of it is leaked or whatever early, that can suck. But unless it was 100% not your fault that your plans were undermined, then you can only blame yourself, or blame the people you trusted to go through with your plan. Short of corporate espionage, there is always burden of blame on the plan-making party.
I fail to see what a banned combo has to do with leaked material. Copy Cat cards were already standard legal. It was the most effective deck at the time, by accident, so of course players played it. Once the ban on Felidar Guardian was issued, players stopped playing the combo, thereby coorperating with Wizards. I'm not holding anyone accountable for that, barring Wizards' developers for not catching that combo sooner.
I see your point about the Dominaria cards, but couldn't the person then have turned around and asked Wizards to replace their accidentally leaked cards with proper Dominaria cards? They might even have gotten a pretty nice deal as thanks for their consideration.
I get that the pack was accidental. But once the person discovered the cards, they had a choice to make, and they chose to leak these cards online. Being in a digital age doesn't excuse you from having responsibility over the content you put out. The leaked cards in the pack were accidental, but nobody had to know about the leak. The owner could have quietly contacted Wizards via email, told them that some M19 cards were packaged in the booster by mistake, and requested some Dominaria cards as replacements in exchange for the leaked cards, which would be reasonable considering they bought a pack of Dominaria in the first place and would be taking action to help Wizards avoid leaks. And if Wizards didn't replace the cards, which would technically be theft their part as their customer would be getting cheated out of product that they paid for, then they'd have email and a mailing receipt as proof that the exchange happened. That's something you could put out on the internet to force Wizards to keep their end of the bargain for PR's sake.
On the other hand, Wizards could also choose to let the person keep the cards and give them formal permission to preview the cards so then it's at least cooperating with Wizards.
At this point, I think we've argued enough. I'm obviously in the minority yet again and there isn't anything to gain from continuing this discussion further. The damage is done and most people here don't care.
Enjoy another batch of leaked cards, everyone. I'm out.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Any cards you open in packs for draft can be played.
Not necessarily true.
"7.4 Abnormal Product
Neither Wizards of the Coast nor the Tournament Organizer guarantee any specific distribution of card rarities or frequency in a particular booster pack or tournament pack. If a player receives an unconventional distribution of rarities or frequencies in a particular booster pack or deck, he or she must call for a judge. The final decision to replace or allow the atypical product is at the discretion of the Head Judge and the Tournament Organizer."
Pretty sure opening Core 2019 cards in a Dominaria pack qualify as "atypical product"
I'm holding them accountable for taking pictures of cards that aren't supposed to be out yet and putting them up online, undermining Wizards' product presentation plan.
This is absolutely a ridiculous statement. Consumers are in no way beholden to any secret plans that the producer has. Would you say the same thing about people who played copy cat in standard before it was banned? Wotc said they did not catch the combo, that they would act upon it, yet people continued to play it until it was banned. They were acting against the will of wotc, but I think to claim you hold them accountable for doing something wrong is silly.
The issue here is one of packaging. If there are unreleased cards in a booster, it's 110% the printer's fault. To put any shame or accountability on the person who was cheated out of their Dominaria cards to receive a bunch of unusable cardboard is totally off base.
We live in a digital world. News breaks within minutes. We know about global events as they happen. To imagine something like this happening and not being submitted to the cloud of the internet is absurd and retro-wishful thinking. If the person who opened these decided to not put them online for the same feelings you have, respect or fear of lawsuit or whatever it is, then fine. But buying a booster does not include signing a contract that you agree to abide by any future release plans of wotc.
I get that you understand wotc's point of view, that if you're working on a presentation or project and part of it is leaked or whatever early, that can suck. But unless it was 100% not your fault that your plans were undermined, then you can only blame yourself, or blame the people you trusted to go through with your plan. Short of corporate espionage, there is always burden of blame on the plan-making party.
I fail to see what a banned combo has to do with leaked material. Copy Cat cards were already standard legal. It was the most effective deck at the time, by accident, so of course players played it. Once the ban on Felidar Guardian was issued, players stopped playing the combo, thereby coorperating with Wizards. I'm not holding anyone accountable for that, barring Wizards' developers for not catching that combo sooner.
I see your point about the Dominaria cards, but couldn't the person then have turned around and asked Wizards to replace their accidentally leaked cards with proper Dominaria cards? They might even have gotten a pretty nice deal as thanks for their consideration.
I get that the pack was accidental. But once the person discovered the cards, they had a choice to make, and they chose to leak these cards online. Being in a digital age doesn't excuse you from having responsibility over the content you put out. The leaked cards in the pack were accidental, but nobody had to know about the leak. The owner could have quietly contacted Wizards via email, told them that some M19 cards were packaged in the booster by mistake, and requested some Dominaria cards as replacements in exchange for the leaked cards, which would be reasonable considering they bought a pack of Dominaria in the first place and would be taking action to help Wizards avoid leaks. And if Wizards didn't replace the cards, which would technically be theft their part as their customer would be getting cheated out of product that they paid for, then they'd have email and a mailing receipt as proof that the exchange happened. That's something you could put out on the internet to force Wizards to keep their end of the bargain for PR's sake.
On the other hand, Wizards could also choose to let the person keep the cards and give them formal permission to preview the cards so then it's at least cooperating with Wizards.
At this point, I think we've argued enough. I'm obviously in the minority yet again and there isn't anything to gain from continuing this discussion further. The damage is done and most people here don't care.
Enjoy another batch of leaked cards, everyone. I'm out.
OTHO, there's literally nothing juicy here. All these cards scream Core Set by their technical functionality, there's no new keyword, no new shiny mechanics or game-changing card. They could even have previewed these cards themselves upon announcing the Core Set without impact on the hype or so since these are the cards that are not even typically previewed even.
This said, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, which deserves respect like any other.
What if it is an intentional move from Wizards to tease M19?
Casual players would hype it due to their beloved creature types being used (goblins, dwarves, cleric, minotaur...).
Players of Constructed would speculate about potential uses in existing decks (wizard interaction, new globlin for Standard and Modern...)
No harm on existing product hype (they are just commons) and players getting the cards are considered lucky to discover hints of the future.
Am I too naive?
Pretty sure that's why this happened (or else the Printer has some wildly incompetent employees).
I really want this M19 printing of Cancel in foil. That's gonna look amazing.
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Okay, Okay...
Also, nice to see a simpler, Core Set take on Mogg War Marshal. I always loved that card. So much so that I run it in EDH. Could it have been a Goblin Warrior, though? Too late to change it? Yes? Fine. A dude's gotta ask.
Overall, I'm excited to see what they do with this Core Set. While mostly underwhelming, I've enjoyed finding the hidden gems in Core Sets. Nice to see them bringing them back and hopefully in a better way.
This obviously proves it will be a good chunk of reprints (as was always the case), but that's fine with me. The whole point of a Core Set is to be another way of easing new players into the game. Seeing reprints of cards they will see more of through their explorations of old and new sets is a good transition and creates familiar ground. Having taught my daughter how to play Magic, I have witnessed the positive effect that has, however minimal it may seem. It makes more complicated (mechanically speaking) sets have a nice anchor of familiarity.
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Gishath, Sun's Avatar
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Surrak Presents: Snow-where to Run (A Temur Production)
Zurgo - Mardu Warrior Tribal
Gisa and Geralf
Jhoira's Artifacts
Five Yargles says they reprint a cycle of fetch lands to sell this core set (And with the dual lands in Amonkhet, isn't that what they're hinting at?)
That would make some sense, and the Amonkhet lands would rotate relatively soon (I think) and always enter tapped, both of which reduce the risk of the fetch+dual combo being too good for standard.
Though I think the main synergy of the Amonkeht duals was with the Shadows over Innistrad "reveal" lands, which synergize very well with lands you may want to reveal now and cycle later anyway.
You're really going off on a tangent here. These cards are nowhere close to your "bubblegum" example. Not by a long shot.
Based on what's been established, these aren't cards that were stolen from their facility by an employee. They're not cards stolen from an early shipment. They're not even cards cracked early by unscrupulous shops looking to make more money. They're errant cards inside legitimate packs sent out by WotC. If anything, the person should be upset they didn't get their Dominaria cards.
If you want to continue using this bubblegum analogy, then it's more like someone buying a pack of Bubble Yum and finding a few pieces of next years new, unreleased, flavor inside. That's it. The manufacturer goofed with their sorting and we got a hint of the next flavor. What do you think the consumer is going to do? Send them back? Of course not, they're going to enjoy their 15 minutes of fame.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Well, I think virtually everyone else but you would have felt comfortable about sharing this leak, especially how these cards weren’t stolen in any kind of way.
Which I've already acknowledged twice. The theft here is one of opportunity rather than property. It's a willful exploitation of circumstance. And I wouldn't assume that "virtually everyone" agrees with my mindset, because experience has taught me that if anything I sadly am in the minority around here regarding my mindset. But I care more about the right mindset than the popular one. And if your claim is true, that means a lot of people around here clearly haven't tried organizing a product presentation or running a business. It's easy to say this is okay when it doesn't hurt you fiscally. Try telling a Wizards employee this is okay.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Don't worry, WotC learned this the hard way after the Kozilek incident. While they didn't outright (as in legally word) blame towards the consumers, the tone of their articles back then were literally the formal way of wording themselves throwing a tantrum in front of the consumer base, which anyone can tell you is setting a PR disaster for yourself. They have since vastly improved (Dominaria, while it did hit a scheduling hiccup because of what I suspect was due to internal policies regarding the time between release of a set and the spoiler of the next, had a professional, swift and most importantly, humble response.)
In fact, I'm surprised they haven't put an official statement out for this incident yet (I know they're probably still investigating on the back-end, but I was expecting the acknowledgement article first). It's easy to say "They got the Dominaria one out fast because it was the interesting half of the set, but these are just commons", but it is also a statement of sorts in by itself - does WotC itself place different priority orders for different form of leaks?
I know I'm sounding like a overly entitled consumer of some sort, but I'm "acting" (or more accurately stating) these statements out on purpose. In reality I don't really care for this case and am just taking in any information I am provided leak or not as a consumer, but I'm pointing out I can be overly critical if I wanted to and as a consumer, not only am I entitled to, it could jolly well be the right mindset to ask for swift response regarding the incident. I know over exaggerated this case (I even found my own example overbearing), but I was once truly livid about the way the company responded during the Kozilek incident (within the relative extent MTG has in my life only, meaning I obviously didn't let it affect my outside life, but it actually had an impact on MTG in my life).
What I'm really trying to get is that when it comes to protecting your own interests, you need to always assume the popular mindset, not the right one (otherwise it becomes the rhetoric that we wouldn't even need security and/or laws when applied to general living). If you want to establish a "right mindset" in a society/group, you either need to apply laws/rules and/or appeal to them socially. Clearly in the business-consumer relationship you can't just slap the first without major repercussions, so they're pretty much left with the second. I understand where your statement is coming from, but knowing the right mindset and applying it en masse are two completely different monsters of their own. So I hate to be blunt, but just stating the "right mindset" blankly here especially when everyone is running on hype (and naturally inclined to support what's popular) is almost no different from trying to "law" people from a social perspective.
The popular mindset may not be right, but stating that out isn't going to change anything. Given the circumstances (business-consumer relationship and other factors), the actual point is how does one solve it? I know we can't actually do anything about (we're not WotC), but that was why I gave that overly-entitled consumer example - if I don't see the same swift response regarding these commons as I did with the Dominaria leaks, that's a plausible source of assumption that WotC themselves aren't trying to change anything when it comes to mindsets. WotC then might want to fix that (or they could just make sure packaging doesn't go wrong at all so they don't even have to think about it, since it is a problem stemming from another after all, but then again leaks come various sources, so it's a common problem with various roots).
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It is literally not theft in any way. If WotC did not want this to happen (something I am skeptical of) then they need to take this opportunity to chastise their printer and find solutions to prevent these problems from occurring again. The consumer is 100% allowed to take pictures of his legally obtained property and share it on social media.
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I'm not blaming them for the mispackaging. I'm holding them accountable for taking pictures of cards that aren't supposed to be out yet and putting them up online, undermining Wizards' product presentation plan. And the only reason no-one's batting an eye is because these are your usual filler commons which probably aren't getting their own preview article rather than, say, a major story-important mythic rare that very much would. I'm saying that if leaking one card would wrong, then leaking any card is wrong.
And yes, the packaging crew does need to address how this happened so steps can be taken to prevent such incidents in the future. That doesn't change the fact this is willful exploitation of circumstance, and even if it isn't technically illegal (and I would want to consult a lawyer to check that) it's still undercutting Wizards by leaking information before they were ready to release it.
I'm just grateful this leak didn't have any major cards in it.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
This is absolutely a ridiculous statement. Consumers are in no way beholden to any secret plans that the producer has. Would you say the same thing about people who played copy cat in standard before it was banned? Wotc said they did not catch the combo, that they would act upon it, yet people continued to play it until it was banned. They were acting against the will of wotc, but I think to claim you hold them accountable for doing something wrong is silly.
The issue here is one of packaging. If there are unreleased cards in a booster, it's 110% the printer's fault. To put any shame or accountability on the person who was cheated out of their Dominaria cards to receive a bunch of unusable cardboard is totally off base.
We live in a digital world. News breaks within minutes. We know about global events as they happen. To imagine something like this happening and not being submitted to the cloud of the internet is absurd and retro-wishful thinking. If the person who opened these decided to not put them online for the same feelings you have, respect or fear of lawsuit or whatever it is, then fine. But buying a booster does not include signing a contract that you agree to abide by any future release plans of wotc.
I get that you understand wotc's point of view, that if you're working on a presentation or project and part of it is leaked or whatever early, that can suck. But unless it was 100% not your fault that your plans were undermined, then you can only blame yourself, or blame the people you trusted to go through with your plan. Short of corporate espionage, there is always burden of blame on the plan-making party.
ffs, look at WotC's reaction to the Dominaria release note mistake. they blamed no one but themselves. take the hint.
This guy's asking the important questions. The answer's probably no, but it's an important question nonetheless.
I fail to see what a banned combo has to do with leaked material. Copy Cat cards were already standard legal. It was the most effective deck at the time, by accident, so of course players played it. Once the ban on Felidar Guardian was issued, players stopped playing the combo, thereby coorperating with Wizards. I'm not holding anyone accountable for that, barring Wizards' developers for not catching that combo sooner.
I see your point about the Dominaria cards, but couldn't the person then have turned around and asked Wizards to replace their accidentally leaked cards with proper Dominaria cards? They might even have gotten a pretty nice deal as thanks for their consideration.
I get that the pack was accidental. But once the person discovered the cards, they had a choice to make, and they chose to leak these cards online. Being in a digital age doesn't excuse you from having responsibility over the content you put out. The leaked cards in the pack were accidental, but nobody had to know about the leak. The owner could have quietly contacted Wizards via email, told them that some M19 cards were packaged in the booster by mistake, and requested some Dominaria cards as replacements in exchange for the leaked cards, which would be reasonable considering they bought a pack of Dominaria in the first place and would be taking action to help Wizards avoid leaks. And if Wizards didn't replace the cards, which would technically be theft their part as their customer would be getting cheated out of product that they paid for, then they'd have email and a mailing receipt as proof that the exchange happened. That's something you could put out on the internet to force Wizards to keep their end of the bargain for PR's sake.
On the other hand, Wizards could also choose to let the person keep the cards and give them formal permission to preview the cards so then it's at least cooperating with Wizards.
At this point, I think we've argued enough. I'm obviously in the minority yet again and there isn't anything to gain from continuing this discussion further. The damage is done and most people here don't care.
Enjoy another batch of leaked cards, everyone. I'm out.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Not necessarily true.
"7.4 Abnormal Product
Neither Wizards of the Coast nor the Tournament Organizer guarantee any specific distribution of card rarities or frequency in a particular booster pack or tournament pack. If a player receives an unconventional distribution of rarities or frequencies in a particular booster pack or deck, he or she must call for a judge. The final decision to replace or allow the atypical product is at the discretion of the Head Judge and the Tournament Organizer."
Pretty sure opening Core 2019 cards in a Dominaria pack qualify as "atypical product"
OTHO, there's literally nothing juicy here. All these cards scream Core Set by their technical functionality, there's no new keyword, no new shiny mechanics or game-changing card. They could even have previewed these cards themselves upon announcing the Core Set without impact on the hype or so since these are the cards that are not even typically previewed even.
This said, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, which deserves respect like any other.
Pretty sure that's why this happened (or else the Printer has some wildly incompetent employees).
I really want this M19 printing of Cancel in foil. That's gonna look amazing.
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Okay, Okay...
Also, nice to see a simpler, Core Set take on Mogg War Marshal. I always loved that card. So much so that I run it in EDH. Could it have been a Goblin Warrior, though? Too late to change it? Yes? Fine. A dude's gotta ask.
Overall, I'm excited to see what they do with this Core Set. While mostly underwhelming, I've enjoyed finding the hidden gems in Core Sets. Nice to see them bringing them back and hopefully in a better way.
This obviously proves it will be a good chunk of reprints (as was always the case), but that's fine with me. The whole point of a Core Set is to be another way of easing new players into the game. Seeing reprints of cards they will see more of through their explorations of old and new sets is a good transition and creates familiar ground. Having taught my daughter how to play Magic, I have witnessed the positive effect that has, however minimal it may seem. It makes more complicated (mechanically speaking) sets have a nice anchor of familiarity.
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Jhoira's Artifacts
That would make some sense, and the Amonkhet lands would rotate relatively soon (I think) and always enter tapped, both of which reduce the risk of the fetch+dual combo being too good for standard.
Though I think the main synergy of the Amonkeht duals was with the Shadows over Innistrad "reveal" lands, which synergize very well with lands you may want to reveal now and cycle later anyway.