I think it looks pretty nice, my only gripe is the random foil.
Do either all or none WotC, preferably none.
I know how bad the foiling process of FTVs are.
I'm split about this. On the one hand, I don't care about this specific product. I have all the cards I want from the list and I don't care about Jace at all. He's got main character man syndrome pretty hard, which makes him fairly bland in comparison to the rest of the cast. The cheese pizza of characters; not the topping anyone really wants, but one everyone will at least grudgingly accept.
On the other hand the value is there for a $20 product. Jace, Tutor, and Gifts gets you there, and since I've never seen a foil Brainstorm drop bellow $10 no matter how many printings it gets you have a 50/50 chance on pulling value from the foil. I'm actually happy the foil is random. Yeah, it means you're not sure which foil you're going to get, but it means all the art has a foil variant. It's maddening to get cool new art and not have foil variants of it (maybe one day Goblin Sharpshooter, one day). Plus I'll take this over modern From the Vaults any day of the week. I'd much rather have affordable packs of useful, if unexciting cards with cool art rather than packs of good cards scalped into oblivion or worse, overpriced packs of bad cards. Let's face it, From the Vault stopped being exciting once they stopped putting Reserve list cards in it.
But my real hope is that this is successful so they do it for the other walkers. I'd love some Bolas, Karn, or Ajani theme cards, hell if they do it enough they might even get to Ral when he comes back into the story. In all likelihood either Chandra or Lily will be next. I got my fingers crossed that we'll finally see a foil demonic tutor with the Lily art.
I'm seriously concerned by people not happy with the value of this at 20$. Add the exclusive frame and foil. It does suffer from the fact that the main format it covers is legacy and commander, but then again commander is where people pimp their deck. It's an ok product.
Hmmm...
Very Pleasently surprised here. I assumed this would be terrible, but it looks cool with the new frames and the card choice is reasonable. Cryptic wasnt gonna happen.....
Funny people complaining about the Jace themed art. It is a JACE themed product, what else did you expect?
I will be buying one, maybe two if I find them somewhere
Like above, a Lilliana Demonic Tutor would be ridiculous but also might be wishful thinking.
I also dont see this eating up too much "space" in terms of too many products to buy and I personally hope they crank out a couple of these a year because I want to see the other Planeswalkers represented.
I mean Id definately buy this over two packs of Masters and I could buy 5-6 less packs of Standard sets to eat up one of these 'sets'
The RANDOM foil seems......well random....I guess they are preying on mine and others 'gambling' issues
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Been a member here for over a dozen years. Playing since '95 just got lost in the twitch shuffle.
I like how subtle this is: people who aren't interested never really need to think about it again. They could do some nice things with the art and frames in the future. I hope that they have themes other than specific planeswalkers, as that panders to a thin audience.
I'm not really interested in this version, but it does get me super excited for future products. What's the Chandra or Lili boarder going to look like? I want some Chain Lightnings with Chandra art and a cool new treatment. Not to mention if they branch out into Multicolor. Think Vraska Pernicious Deed.
@ vandertroll. It's not much of a gamble, I'm sure you will be able to get most of your money back selling all the singles on TCG player if you really wanted absolutely nothing out of the box. You might lose 12% on their fees, but that's a $2.40 loto ticket. (if I can math, which I think I did right)
I kind of like how they look although I don't have need for most of the the cards. Does Threads of Disloyalty feel out of place to anyone else? Mind Control would have felt more on point but I guess Threads is more valuable to modern players? If Negate or Gifts Ungiven are cheap enough I will definitely pick one up for cube. I always like when WotC try something new with frames,I hope they do it more often.
Are they limited? I'm assuming non-foil singles should be cheap enough, obviously some will carry a premium but I imagine most will settle at a reasonable level. I don't think I like the precedent of getting 1 foil out of 8 but it might actually keep the secondary market price on singles reasonable since the bigger stores will open a lot to get stocks up on the foils.
Mana Leak would have been nice but over all it seems ok.
I'm pretty lukewarm to these. I like the card designs but I don't like this below…..
So Wizards cuts FTV. Now they don't have to put 15 foils and a token in a box and charge $34.99 to just a few stores/distributors. Now they can cut that 16 to 8 instead, not even foil all 8 thereby halving the amount of cards in a box, making it cheaper per card since all aren't foiled, just one, then not asking exactly half of $35 ($17.50 a set) but $20 a set instead. Then be able to sell these in box stores as well. Pretty ballsy of Wizards, should make Hasbro and the shareholders happy as they cut costs and overhead and increase coverage and sales. I just see a half pack of cards in a fancy box instead of a wrapper for 20 bucks. I'm probably being too harsh. Maybe these will warm to me.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Well, I guess if Commander players who love playing blue control want it, though I think Gifts Ungiven is banned in Commander.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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I am alright with this product. I was never a fan of FTV, in that they were annoy8ing hard to get to and really didn't mean much in the way of reprints, but I'm alright with this as FTV tended to disappoint and I'm not disappointed by this. Sure some slightly better choices could have been made, but at least these have different frames and are collectible in their own way than just new art or foil.
The random foil is a bit strange for a product like this, but I don't hate it.
To me, the spell book series is already a joke. Unless they can/plan to introduce brand new Planeswalkers to us in this series with choice spells, this comes off much less exciting than FTV.
My opinion? Screw the thing, get the singles. They should never have used negate and brainstorm should have been preordain. I like the counterspell art that they reused from the duel deck that came out years ago. That mostly just makes me want to pick up that duel deck again, though.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Cryptic Command
Counterspell
Brainstorm
Fact or Fiction
Stroke of Genious (super on point)
Mind Over Matter
Threads of Disloyalty
At $50
Now in the realm of the realistic, can't get over the fact that Jace Beleren is the most underwhelming version of him by far. Does not affect the board at all, even in his ultimate. Jace, Architect of Thought would have been the second best choice. Not excited about getting Chandra Nalaar and Liliana Vess either.
Mystical tutor and Threads are cool and the frame is great. Kinda wish there would have been whole playsets of the commons and uncommons because only 1 negate in a constructed deck is sorta awkward.
(crosses fingers to not get Giant Growth in the green one).
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Cryptic Command
Counterspell
Brainstorm
Fact or Fiction
Stroke of Genious (super on point)
Mind Over Matter
Threads of Disloyalty
At $50
Now in the realm of the realistic, can't get over the fact that Jace Beleren is the most underwhelming version of him by far. Does not affect the board at all, even in his ultimate. Jace, Architect of Thought would have been the second best choice. Not excited about getting Chandra Nalaar and Liliana Vess either.
Mystical tutor and Threads are cool and the frame is great. Kinda wish there would have been whole playsets of the commons and uncommons because only 1 negate in a constructed deck is sorta awkward.
(crosses fingers to not get Giant Growth in the green one).
Well, they did say "Sculpt your opponents mind..." in the advertising so they definitely want people thinking of the legacy power jace and not Jace Baleren. Garruk does have the advantage of being actually played in Green devotion decks so his will hopefully feel better than this one. Assuming they aren't just going to do Nissa.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm offically calling this "Jace-washing". Take a bunch of iconic blue cards and slap Jace on the art. I wish WotC would give up on the whole guild pact stuff.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Cryptic Command
Counterspell
Brainstorm
Fact or Fiction
Stroke of Genious (super on point)
Mind Over Matter
Threads of Disloyalty
At $50
Now in the realm of the realistic, can't get over the fact that Jace Beleren is the most underwhelming version of him by far. Does not affect the board at all, even in his ultimate. Jace, Architect of Thought would have been the second best choice. Not excited about getting Chandra Nalaar and Liliana Vess either.
Mystical tutor and Threads are cool and the frame is great. Kinda wish there would have been whole playsets of the commons and uncommons because only 1 negate in a constructed deck is sorta awkward.
(crosses fingers to not get Giant Growth in the green one).
Isn't Mind Over Matter on the Reserve List?
I would have done this:
Jace Beleren - New Art
Mystical Tutor
Counterspell
Telepathy
Rhystic Study
Memory Lapse
Negate
Stifle
I'd love to see Tamiyo, Venser and Kiora get one of these.
Do either all or none WotC, preferably none.
I know how bad the foiling process of FTVs are.
Standard:
UR Ral Combo
Modern:
U Merfolk
R Goblins
Commander
RB Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
R Feldon of the Third Path
On the other hand the value is there for a $20 product. Jace, Tutor, and Gifts gets you there, and since I've never seen a foil Brainstorm drop bellow $10 no matter how many printings it gets you have a 50/50 chance on pulling value from the foil. I'm actually happy the foil is random. Yeah, it means you're not sure which foil you're going to get, but it means all the art has a foil variant. It's maddening to get cool new art and not have foil variants of it (maybe one day Goblin Sharpshooter, one day). Plus I'll take this over modern From the Vaults any day of the week. I'd much rather have affordable packs of useful, if unexciting cards with cool art rather than packs of good cards scalped into oblivion or worse, overpriced packs of bad cards. Let's face it, From the Vault stopped being exciting once they stopped putting Reserve list cards in it.
But my real hope is that this is successful so they do it for the other walkers. I'd love some Bolas, Karn, or Ajani theme cards, hell if they do it enough they might even get to Ral when he comes back into the story. In all likelihood either Chandra or Lily will be next. I got my fingers crossed that we'll finally see a foil demonic tutor with the Lily art.
Very Pleasently surprised here. I assumed this would be terrible, but it looks cool with the new frames and the card choice is reasonable. Cryptic wasnt gonna happen.....
Funny people complaining about the Jace themed art. It is a JACE themed product, what else did you expect?
I will be buying one, maybe two if I find them somewhere
Like above, a Lilliana Demonic Tutor would be ridiculous but also might be wishful thinking.
I also dont see this eating up too much "space" in terms of too many products to buy and I personally hope they crank out a couple of these a year because I want to see the other Planeswalkers represented.
I mean Id definately buy this over two packs of Masters and I could buy 5-6 less packs of Standard sets to eat up one of these 'sets'
The RANDOM foil seems......well random....I guess they are preying on mine and others 'gambling' issues
You get all 8 as regular and an extra of one of them at random foiled
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@ vandertroll. It's not much of a gamble, I'm sure you will be able to get most of your money back selling all the singles on TCG player if you really wanted absolutely nothing out of the box. You might lose 12% on their fees, but that's a $2.40 loto ticket. (if I can math, which I think I did right)
Are they limited? I'm assuming non-foil singles should be cheap enough, obviously some will carry a premium but I imagine most will settle at a reasonable level. I don't think I like the precedent of getting 1 foil out of 8 but it might actually keep the secondary market price on singles reasonable since the bigger stores will open a lot to get stocks up on the foils.
Mana Leak would have been nice but over all it seems ok.
So Wizards cuts FTV. Now they don't have to put 15 foils and a token in a box and charge $34.99 to just a few stores/distributors. Now they can cut that 16 to 8 instead, not even foil all 8 thereby halving the amount of cards in a box, making it cheaper per card since all aren't foiled, just one, then not asking exactly half of $35 ($17.50 a set) but $20 a set instead. Then be able to sell these in box stores as well. Pretty ballsy of Wizards, should make Hasbro and the shareholders happy as they cut costs and overhead and increase coverage and sales. I just see a half pack of cards in a fancy box instead of a wrapper for 20 bucks. I'm probably being too harsh. Maybe these will warm to me.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Well, I guess if Commander players who love playing blue control want it, though I think Gifts Ungiven is banned in Commander.
On phasing:
I dislike all the stupid Jace art and the fact that they couldn't resist the temptation to add a lottery element to even this product.
All in all it's not for me.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Aside from that, I'm not interested.
The random foil is a bit strange for a product like this, but I don't hate it.
On the other hand most of these spells really are not in Jace's flavor. No Illusions, no Milling. What about this says "Jace's signature abilities"
Dragons of Legend, Lead by Scion of the UR-Dragon
The Gitrog Monster
Gonti, Lord of Luxury
Shogun Saskia
Hive World
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Abzan
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Cryptic Command
Counterspell
Brainstorm
Fact or Fiction
Stroke of Genious (super on point)
Mind Over Matter
Threads of Disloyalty
At $50
Now in the realm of the realistic, can't get over the fact that Jace Beleren is the most underwhelming version of him by far. Does not affect the board at all, even in his ultimate. Jace, Architect of Thought would have been the second best choice. Not excited about getting Chandra Nalaar and Liliana Vess either.
Mystical tutor and Threads are cool and the frame is great. Kinda wish there would have been whole playsets of the commons and uncommons because only 1 negate in a constructed deck is sorta awkward.
(crosses fingers to not get Giant Growth in the green one).
Well, they did say "Sculpt your opponents mind..." in the advertising so they definitely want people thinking of the legacy power jace and not Jace Baleren. Garruk does have the advantage of being actually played in Green devotion decks so his will hopefully feel better than this one. Assuming they aren't just going to do Nissa.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Spirits
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
I would have done this:
Jace Beleren - New Art
Mystical Tutor
Counterspell
Telepathy
Rhystic Study
Memory Lapse
Negate
Stifle
I'd love to see Tamiyo, Venser and Kiora get one of these.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||