I support this inclusion given the card's importance and I'm happy they gave it to Patrick to spoil. I prefer the original art and uncommon would have been nice, but that might be too good for Limited.
Same, but apparently older art would cost WotC $texas to use again because of the way artist contracts were different back then. You'd think they could renegotiate, but maybe not or maybe they don't care enough to.
For a split moment, I was really excited. The original text for Ball Lightning used to allow for some crazy shenanigans like casting Oubliette then bouncing it back on your next turn to keep Ball Lightning in play past the end step.
Then I saw the new text and the whole thing felt like a dream.
Quinton Hoover is the original artist in this case. He died in 2013.
IANAL. That doesn't matter. I believe his family or estate can still retain ownership over the art and renegotiate if WotC approached them. Just because someone dies doesn't mean their art is suddenly "inaccessible".
Look at any music artist that passed away, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Prince, whatever and look at the music ownership. Books, movies, etc all have the same thing, Frank L. Baum Foundation and Disney are notorious for some underhanded tactics to retain ownership.
Well, I mean the set is probably going to nose dive after release because once again WoTC kind of missed the entire point of printing these sets. It's not about the card prices as much as how many formats are each of the cards legal in and how much play do they see. Very few people play legacy and cube is a niche free time thing enjoyed by a small segment of the players now. The major formats that do see play both casually and competitively are standard, modern, and now pauper. Commander is the primary way people tend to play casually when they don't know one another (at least from my experience), and the closest runner up afterwards for semi competitive / casual is drafting.
When I see something like Ball Lightning get printed in a premium set, this is just telling how little the company really knows about players. They got all this information on spreadsheets and can see little numbers on a checkbox for prices, but they can't be bothered to put boots on the ground and actually ask people what they enjoy playing and what cards people put the most value in.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Quinton Hoover is the original artist in this case. He died in 2013.
IANAL. That doesn't matter. I believe his family or estate can still retain ownership over the art and renegotiate if WotC approached them. Just because someone dies doesn't mean their art is suddenly "inaccessible".
Look at any music artist that passed away, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Prince, whatever and look at the music ownership. Books, movies, etc all have the same thing, Frank L. Baum Foundation and Disney are notorious for some underhanded tactics to retain ownership.
IIRC Quinton Hoover specifically had a falling out with WotC over art rights while he was alive, his estate would continue those wishes.
Oh... I didn't know that. Not unheard of. I can see his estate respecting that.
I can't think of anything off the top of my head for some reason besides Larry Niven and his HDD.
i mean, i like that its included here... but this set is turning out to be more iconic than iconic masters...
Yeah, I have to admit the art is proving meh for me. I was kind of secretly hoping we would see first printing art. To see some of that original art in foil would be something and this would've been the printing to do it.
Quinton Hoover is the original artist in this case. He died in 2013.
IANAL. That doesn't matter. I believe his family or estate can still retain ownership over the art and renegotiate if WotC approached them. Just because someone dies doesn't mean their art is suddenly "inaccessible".
Look at any music artist that passed away, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Prince, whatever and look at the music ownership. Books, movies, etc all have the same thing, Frank L. Baum Foundation and Disney are notorious for some underhanded tactics to retain ownership.
IIRC Quinton Hoover specifically had a falling out with WotC over art rights while he was alive, his estate would continue those wishes.
Not exactly, Quinton would have loved to continue doing art for Wizards, but his style was too unique, and he couldn't make his art match the style guides (Look at Leaf Gilder as a Hoover card, that looks nothing like a Hoover card, and imo a bit awkward)
Unfortunately, Wizards wasn't on promo products band wagon yet that could have leveraged his style for collector.
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Are you guys absolutely positive iconic masters cards were garbage?
I support this inclusion given the card's importance and I'm happy they gave it to Patrick to spoil. I prefer the original art and uncommon would have been nice, but that might be too good for Limited.
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Same, but apparently older art would cost WotC $texas to use again because of the way artist contracts were different back then. You'd think they could renegotiate, but maybe not or maybe they don't care enough to.
EDIT: That's RARE? That set symbol does not look rare.
Then I saw the new text and the whole thing felt like a dream.
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IANAL. That doesn't matter. I believe his family or estate can still retain ownership over the art and renegotiate if WotC approached them. Just because someone dies doesn't mean their art is suddenly "inaccessible".
Look at any music artist that passed away, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Prince, whatever and look at the music ownership. Books, movies, etc all have the same thing, Frank L. Baum Foundation and Disney are notorious for some underhanded tactics to retain ownership.
When I see something like Ball Lightning get printed in a premium set, this is just telling how little the company really knows about players. They got all this information on spreadsheets and can see little numbers on a checkbox for prices, but they can't be bothered to put boots on the ground and actually ask people what they enjoy playing and what cards people put the most value in.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
i mean, i like that its included here... but this set is turning out to be more iconic than iconic masters...
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Oh... I didn't know that. Not unheard of. I can see his estate respecting that.
I can't think of anything off the top of my head for some reason besides Larry Niven and his HDD.
Yeah, I have to admit the art is proving meh for me. I was kind of secretly hoping we would see first printing art. To see some of that original art in foil would be something and this would've been the printing to do it.
Oh well.
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StaffI'll give you that one. I still like that it's a ball of fire with teeth for no particular reason, though!
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Not exactly, Quinton would have loved to continue doing art for Wizards, but his style was too unique, and he couldn't make his art match the style guides (Look at Leaf Gilder as a Hoover card, that looks nothing like a Hoover card, and imo a bit awkward)
Unfortunately, Wizards wasn't on promo products band wagon yet that could have leveraged his style for collector.