Are there any really good payoff cards for treaure tokens, besides Revel in Riches? So many treasure makers, but not a lot of late game use for them in Commander that I am noticing.
Are there any really good payoff cards for treaure tokens, besides Revel in Riches? So many treasure makers, but not a lot of late game use for them in Commander that I am noticing.
Mechanized Production is a solid possibility. An automatic "I win" condition at your upkeep seems like it should be viable.
Really not liking how Wizards chose to write Dinosaur Hunter's rules text. Potentially confusing with certain Enrage dinosaurs like Polyraptor.
If a Polyraptor and a Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to one another on the Polyraptor's controller's turn, the Polyraptor would be destroyed, and a copy of Polyraptor would not be produced. On the other hand, if a Polyraptor and a Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to one another on the Dinosaur Hunter's controller's turn, then the Polyraptorwould create a copy of itself before being destroyed. Dinosaur Hunter should have been worded as a replacement effect to prevent these kind of unintuitive situations from occurring. "If Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to a Dinosaur, destroy that creature instead." This way, scenarios like the one above wouldn't play out. Dinosaur Hunter would always just kill a dinosaur, and the dinosaur would never get any enrage trigger to begin with.
EDIT: Actually, I'm a bit unsure about this interaction. Investigating this since I'm not 100% confident I'm right here.
EDIT2: Apparently I am wrong about this interaction. The Polyraptor can in fact create a token copy of itself without having a copy of it already on the battlefield to use as a reference. Disregard this post.
Really not liking how Wizards chose to write Dinosaur Hunter's rules text. Potentially confusing with certain Enrage dinosaurs like Polyraptor.
If a Polyraptor and a Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to one another on the Polyraptor's controller's turn, the Polyraptor would be destroyed, and a copy of Polyraptor would not be produced. On the other hand, if a Polyraptor and a Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to one another on the Dinosaur Hunter's controller's turn, then the Polyraptorwould create a copy of itself before being destroyed. Dinosaur Hunter should have been worded as a replacement effect to prevent these kind of unintuitive situations from occurring. "If Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to a Dinosaur, destroy that creature instead." This way, scenarios like the one above wouldn't play out. Dinosaur Hunter would always just kill a dinosaur, and the dinosaur would never get any enrage trigger to begin with.
The copy doesn't target the original Raptor and would still be made even if the original is gone before the trigger resolves. This is why Sprouting Phytohydra still makes a copy of itself even if it is long dead before the trigger resolves.
A token copy of Sprouting Phytohydra is created even if the damage dealt to Sprouting Phytohydra destroys it.
The copy doesn't target the original Raptor and would still be made even if the original is gone before the trigger resolves. This is why Sprouting Phytohydra still makes a copy of itself even if it is long dead before the trigger resolves.
A token copy of Sprouting Phytohydra is created even if the damage dealt to Sprouting Phytohydra destroys it.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure I initially had the correct understanding, so I went ahead and started digging around for answers, but it looks like you beat me to the answer before I got time to edit my post. I'll make sure to update that for future readers. Thanks for addressing this for me. Odd to me that the game doesn't check to see if there's a Polyraptor card on the battlefield with which to create a copy of.
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The copy doesn't target the original Raptor and would still be made even if the original is gone before the trigger resolves. This is why Sprouting Phytohydra still makes a copy of itself even if it is long dead before the trigger resolves.
A token copy of Sprouting Phytohydra is created even if the damage dealt to Sprouting Phytohydra destroys it.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure I initially had the correct understanding, so I went ahead and started digging around for answers, but it looks like you beat me to the answer before I got time to edit my post. I'll make sure to update that for future readers. Thanks for addressing this for me. Odd to me that the game doesn't check to see if there's a Polyraptor card on the battlefield with which to create a copy of.
If it's gone it's happy using Last Known Information. The recent confusing case was when the permanent actually still exists on the battlefield but has changed properties - the interaction between a Permeating Mass and Sprouting Phytohydra (or, now, Polyraptor) dealing damage to one another... is one where the outcome changes by stack sequencing and active player. But when the thing being copied is actually gone, Last Known Information fills in the gap.
EDIT: wrong! Treasures have no mana cost and die before you can sac them for mana. Okay, you need an anthem too...
Are there any really good payoff cards for treaure tokens, besides Revel in Riches? So many treasure makers, but not a lot of late game use for them in Commander that I am noticing.
As @AnImar_ said, that red combat trick is going to get stuff done at Prerelease. Yowza at double striking Pirates in the common slot.
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Mechanized Production is a solid possibility. An automatic "I win" condition at your upkeep seems like it should be viable.
Really not liking how Wizards chose to write Dinosaur Hunter's rules text. Potentially confusing with certain Enrage dinosaurs like Polyraptor.
If a Polyraptor and a Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to one another on the Polyraptor's controller's turn, the Polyraptor would be destroyed, and a copy of Polyraptor would not be produced. On the other hand, if a Polyraptor and a Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to one another on the Dinosaur Hunter's controller's turn, then the Polyraptor would create a copy of itself before being destroyed. Dinosaur Hunter should have been worded as a replacement effect to prevent these kind of unintuitive situations from occurring. "If Dinosaur Hunter would deal damage to a Dinosaur, destroy that creature instead." This way, scenarios like the one above wouldn't play out. Dinosaur Hunter would always just kill a dinosaur, and the dinosaur would never get any enrage trigger to begin with.
EDIT: Actually, I'm a bit unsure about this interaction. Investigating this since I'm not 100% confident I'm right here.
EDIT2: Apparently I am wrong about this interaction. The Polyraptor can in fact create a token copy of itself without having a copy of it already on the battlefield to use as a reference. Disregard this post.
Trap your friends in an endless game with this 23-card combo!
The copy doesn't target the original Raptor and would still be made even if the original is gone before the trigger resolves. This is why Sprouting Phytohydra still makes a copy of itself even if it is long dead before the trigger resolves.
A token copy of Sprouting Phytohydra is created even if the damage dealt to Sprouting Phytohydra destroys it.
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Trap your friends in an endless game with this 23-card combo!
If it's gone it's happy using Last Known Information. The recent confusing case was when the permanent actually still exists on the battlefield but has changed properties - the interaction between a Permeating Mass and Sprouting Phytohydra (or, now, Polyraptor) dealing damage to one another... is one where the outcome changes by stack sequencing and active player. But when the thing being copied is actually gone, Last Known Information fills in the gap.
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Based on past standards where bannings were needed, maybe it's best to err on the side of too many hosers.
If they print a combo in this set, i will forever declare WotC incompetent in their testing ... (lets hope they do not)
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This isn’t an instant win but with ruthless knave, dire fleet hoarder and the treasure win con card it can go off.