meh... i dont wanna pay 4 mana for a 1/1 lifelink mythic that gives me a 1/1 token with lifelink on its base
is this really supposed to be mythic level ?
i think she should either be a 3 mana creature or at least be a 2/2
this feels like a another missed opportunity. this will be another super cheap mythic. why not make it decent. i mean one of the above changes (3 cmc or 2/2) wouldnt make her broken or unbalanced...would make her just fair
compare it with pia nalar... she is a 3 mana 2/2 (so both and just 1 color) and has also 2 other abilities
pia and kiran nalar would be another example for 4 mana (still just 1 color)
SO WHY IS THIS MYTHIC ? even worse than vona ...(maybe i am just disappointed cause i was looking forward to this card)
I cannot agree more...
A Mythic Legendary Creature, from my point of view, has three requisites:
1.- A Keyword ability for each one of its colors or types, and must fit with the Lore
2.- Power/Toughness equal to or bigger than half of the Converted Mana Cost, rounded up
3.- A Unique ability for this Legendary Creature, and must fit with the Lore
Now, let's see Elenda, the Dusk Rose :
1.- It is White, so Lifelink fits the color but also that she is a Vampire. For Black... Nothing? Deathtouch and Intimidate come to my Mind... Maybe Flying because she is a Vampire... But... Nothing? Seriously? Did I just splashed a color or made a two colored deck to fit this card to get nothing?
2.- Well, at least she will have a good body so she can survi... A 1/1 for FOUR Mana? Seriously? It is not what I expected...
3.- Let's see if she has a nice ability... Oh, well. It does something... particularly interesting... But it is a mechanic that requires something to build around. And "build around me" cards are cards I do not like... I like cards that have sinergy with the cards that are related to...
Let's compare her to Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca :
1.- Well, it has no keywords for none of its colors...
2.- What? Power/Toughness above average? For 3 CMC I get a 2/4... That is wonderful! It is not as offensive as a 3/3, but it can survive almost any RedSpellRemoval in Standard. Now THAT is Legendary.
3.- I Hope it compensates no Keywords with some ability... Unblockable? Draws Cards? Buffs all your merfolk permanently even if it leaves the Battlefield? Now this is MORE than a Lord! It is not a "build around me" card, it is a card that you put in a Merfolk deck and makes the deck even better. This card NEEDS to be answered ASAP.
Is this even worse than Archangels light ?
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That is right, not even in Limited... If the trigger was "Whenever another Creature leaves the Battlefield..." instead of "Whenever another Creature Dies...", for instance, for that CMC, I would accept it a little more... But it has such a small body...
According to Mavren Fein's tale and Planeswalker Guide to Ixalan (Part 2) Elenda was supposed to be nine feet tall and a great warrior, having defeated all by herself Apostatine Princes' army on Torrezon. She was in addition the one who brought vampirism on the continent, being in fact the ancestor of all vampires on Ixalan.
So, a deadly quite-tall fighter and a "progenitor". Neither of these two traits are appropriately shown on the card. She's only a 1/1 with no combat abilities (first strike, deathtouch, some -X/-X tricks) that dies in almost every clash: and this is in my opinion the biggest flavor fail. In addition, to create vampires (the "ancestor" side I suppose) she must die, while it would have been more appropriate if one of her main abilities had been to turn creatures into vamps like both Olivia'scards do (in fact Elenda brought vampirism, not vampires, back home).
Ultimately the card, while not that weak in the right build (anthems and equipments to increase her power are always a thing), it's all but memorable, anonymous I would say, for the fact that the same abilities would have fitted any other WB vampire in the set. Yeah, I know Vorthoses can't always get what they want, but they can hope.
Having said that, I'm also positive Elenda will get a better treatment in the story. Let's wait and see.
Very well explained...
Now, furthermore, if it is the ancestor... Why is it weaker than any other Vampire of the set?
I prefer Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle even above her... That creates Vampires!
When you make her a 1/1 without an ETB that at least gives her a single pump when played, she's too far below rate. Something like 'when blah blah enters the battlefield give one creature -x,-x where x is the number of vampires on the battlefield.
That would have been a great idea for a Vampire that kills its prey... I like that.
Legion Lieutenant is why she's a 1/1. They build from common up, seems like the reason. Still think 2/2 makes it Mythic or an ETB -x/-x or both.
Not good enough...
It will ETBF as a 2/2...
But Settle the Wreckage, which is (In my opinion) the best removal in Standard at the moment, completely dismantles this strategy....
Looking at new spoiled card Profane Procession//Tomb of the Dusk Rose and at its flavor text provided by cyberium_neo (Vona seeks the conqueror, Maiven seeks the savior, when they found the person...//...she is resting in her glorious tomb) Elenda third ability makes now more sense.
Another Mana expensive card for Black-White, that does not work very well with Elenda, the Dusk Rose...
Again, we can see all the Love that WOTC has for Green and Blue, and they leave Black-White and Black-Red aside...
ALWAYS, the worst for those color combinations...
Why don't you give players what they want, WOTC?
I wish there was a creature that said 'at the beginning of your upkeep sacrifice this creature then return it to the battlefield' that you could just get constant death triggers off of for cards like this, Morbid and Blood Artist
I too feel that black/white combo and tribes have a lot of almost cards. This one isn't even an almost to me.
I agree that Legion Lieutenant isn't a good enough reason to make her a 1/1 but as I said before the easiest fix was an ETB -x,-x x=vampires to single target. I could accept 1/1 with that. Legendary on top of it all... bleh.
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How does this work with boardwipes? If there are three other creatures on the battlefield with Elenda (as a 1/1 still), does she produce one token or four tokens after a Wrath of God?
I really want to like this card, but a 1/1 for four is, even if it might easily grow over time, just pathethic for a mythic. I afraid of slowly developing a really passionate love-hate relationship for black and white cards. Quite frankly, what I love most about them by now, Elenda being no exception, is their art. While my frustration kicks in each time I read what the card does and checking its mana cost.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Pretty "meh" overall. If it had been "Whenever you opponent gains Energy or uses Energy..." or it had cost just BW, then I may have given her a sideways glance.
Still no Energy hosers though.
We won't see a card that specifically mentions Energy in a set without Energy. The best you can hope for is something that generically references counters on players.
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How does this work with boardwipes? If there are three other creatures on the battlefield with Elenda (as a 1/1 still), does she produce one token or four tokens after a Wrath of God?
Due to the timing - I think 1. She is already in the gy and thus cant get counters put on her to increase her power. Otherwise she would always produce a minimum of two tokens when she herself dies (if im remembering the wording right - its hard to go check mid-post from my phone)
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She seems like she could fit into a monument build quite easily. I think that strait vampires will probably want a different four drop since Sanctum Seeker is a far more impactful card in a strait build.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
She seems like she could fit into a monument build quite easily. I think that strait vampires will probably want a different four drop since Sanctum Seeker is a far more impactful card in a strait build.
Exactly, very good point. Sanctum Seeker generates a bigger impact on the board:
A) If you control other Vampires and you attack, you are already taking advantage of them
B) If you control no other Vampires, it is a 3/4 that, right now, is difficult to deal with
(Although Black having a non-Legendary 4/4 without drawbacks is still a dream... Sanctum Seeker will have to do)
I cannot agree more...
A Mythic Legendary Creature, from my point of view, has three requisites:
1.- A Keyword ability for each one of its colors or types, and must fit with the Lore
2.- Power/Toughness equal to or bigger than half of the Converted Mana Cost, rounded up
3.- A Unique ability for this Legendary Creature, and must fit with the Lore
Now, let's see Elenda, the Dusk Rose :
1.- It is White, so Lifelink fits the color but also that she is a Vampire. For Black... Nothing? Deathtouch and Intimidate come to my Mind... Maybe Flying because she is a Vampire... But... Nothing? Seriously? Did I just splashed a color or made a two colored deck to fit this card to get nothing?
2.- Well, at least she will have a good body so she can survi... A 1/1 for FOUR Mana? Seriously? It is not what I expected...
3.- Let's see if she has a nice ability... Oh, well. It does something... particularly interesting... But it is a mechanic that requires something to build around. And "build around me" cards are cards I do not like... I like cards that have sinergy with the cards that are related to...
Let's compare her to Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca :
1.- Well, it has no keywords for none of its colors...
2.- What? Power/Toughness above average? For 3 CMC I get a 2/4... That is wonderful! It is not as offensive as a 3/3, but it can survive almost any Red Spell Removal in Standard. Now THAT is Legendary.
3.- I Hope it compensates no Keywords with some ability... Unblockable? Draws Cards? Buffs all your merfolk permanently even if it leaves the Battlefield? Now this is MORE than a Lord! It is not a "build around me" card, it is a card that you put in a Merfolk deck and makes the deck even better. This card NEEDS to be answered ASAP.
That is right, not even in Limited... If the trigger was "Whenever another Creature leaves the Battlefield..." instead of "Whenever another Creature Dies...", for instance, for that CMC, I would accept it a little more... But it has such a small body...
Very well explained...
Now, furthermore, if it is the ancestor... Why is it weaker than any other Vampire of the set?
I prefer Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle even above her... That creates Vampires!
That would have been a great idea for a Vampire that kills its prey... I like that.
Not good enough...
It will ETBF as a 2/2...
But Settle the Wreckage, which is (In my opinion) the best removal in Standard at the moment, completely dismantles this strategy....
Another Mana expensive card for Black-White, that does not work very well with Elenda, the Dusk Rose...
Again, we can see all the Love that WOTC has for Green and Blue, and they leave Black-White and Black-Red aside...
ALWAYS, the worst for those color combinations...
Why don't you give players what they want, WOTC?
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I agree that Legion Lieutenant isn't a good enough reason to make her a 1/1 but as I said before the easiest fix was an ETB -x,-x x=vampires to single target. I could accept 1/1 with that. Legendary on top of it all... bleh.
I miss Blood Baron of Vizkopa, Obzedat, Ghost Council, and Blood Artist
We won't see a card that specifically mentions Energy in a set without Energy. The best you can hope for is something that generically references counters on players.
Due to the timing - I think 1. She is already in the gy and thus cant get counters put on her to increase her power. Otherwise she would always produce a minimum of two tokens when she herself dies (if im remembering the wording right - its hard to go check mid-post from my phone)
Edit: 'another creature'
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Exactly, very good point.
Sanctum Seeker generates a bigger impact on the board:
A) If you control other Vampires and you attack, you are already taking advantage of them
B) If you control no other Vampires, it is a 3/4 that, right now, is difficult to deal with
(Although Black having a non-Legendary 4/4 without drawbacks is still a dream... Sanctum Seeker will have to do)
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