Interesting that she doesn't say "whenever another *nontoken* creature dies". I feel like this opens the doors up to some janky combos.
A board wipe + Indestructible on Elenda would be nice. Then you could sac her for a bunch of tokens. Unlikely you'd get away with it at all, but it might occasionally happen to the unwary.
There's always something not quite right with Orzhov legendaries. They're pretty weird, a lot of them. I can see, though, that Karlov of the Ghost Council might get along with her. Possibly Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter as well.
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I don't hate the card, and I kind of want to build around it, but it is a bit underwhelming. I feel like a lot of this set's mythics feel like rares. But then again, a lot of rares feel like mythics (elder dinos in particular). Technically having the rares at mythic and the mythics at rare just lets us get the better cards more often, so I guess it's a good thing.
It's unfortunate that its last ability doesn't work well in Commander, because that's where it should shine the most. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that in order to get the death trigger in an EDH game you have to let her go to the graveyard rather than the command zone to get the death trigger. Putting her back in the command zone is a replacement effect, so if you do so, she isn't put into a graveyard from the battlefield (which is the definition of dying). It doesn't make her unplayable in EDH or anything, but throwing in a lot of recursion effects just to be able to use her last ability more than once is an inconvenience, plus I'm sure that it will confuse a fair number of less experienced EDH players and lead to disappointment when they're corrected.
They could have fixed it easily by having the ability trigger whenever Elenda leaves the battlefield instead of when she dies. It would have made her marginally more powerful, but I don't think the card is anywhere close to being too powerful as it is. It would have opened up blinking shenanigans as well, but the counters would fall off and she would only return as a 1/1, so it would be good but not broken. I don't know, I think it's a fun card, but the functionality leaves something to be desired.
She could use to be cheaper or start bigger, but there is some value to be had with her, Fleshbag Marauder, Meriless Executioner and Shriekmaw all play very well with her on the field.
I think she's interesting, and might have a home as a one, possibly two, of if vampires or the right deck comes along to make use of her, but I have to say this is slightly disappointing. The 1/1 body really hurts unless you can kill a few things shortly after.
Many Commander decks will certainly enjoy her company.
meh... i dont wanna pay 4 mana for a 1/1 lifelink mythic that gives me a 1/1 token with lifelink on its base
is this really supposed to be mythic level ?
i think she should either be a 3 mana creature or at least be a 2/2
this feels like a another missed opportunity. this will be another super cheap mythic. why not make it decent. i mean one of the above changes (3 cmc or 2/2) wouldnt make her broken or unbalanced...would make her just fair
compare it with pia nalar... she is a 3 mana 2/2 (so both and just 1 color) and has also 2 other abilities
pia and kiran nalar would be another example for 4 mana (still just 1 color)
SO WHY IS THIS MYTHIC ? even worse than vona ...(maybe i am just disappointed cause i was looking forward to this card)
She is mythic because she is a legendary, WotC already said that mythic is a slot for very powerful cards AND planeswalkers, legendary creatures and other lore important cards.
Also she's pretty amazing in many EDH decks, so your problem isn't she is not powerful, your problem is that she is weak in standard.
I will say, since she is a 1/1 and B/W she could easily have deathtouch.
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meh... i dont wanna pay 4 mana for a 1/1 lifelink mythic that gives me a 1/1 token with lifelink on its base
is this really supposed to be mythic level ?
i think she should either be a 3 mana creature or at least be a 2/2
this feels like a another missed opportunity. this will be another super cheap mythic. why not make it decent. i mean one of the above changes (3 cmc or 2/2) wouldnt make her broken or unbalanced...would make her just fair
compare it with pia nalar... she is a 3 mana 2/2 (so both and just 1 color) and has also 2 other abilities
pia and kiran nalar would be another example for 4 mana (still just 1 color)
SO WHY IS THIS MYTHIC ? even worse than vona ...(maybe i am just disappointed cause i was looking forward to this card)
She is mythic because she is a legendary, WotC already said that mythic is a slot for very powerful cards AND planeswalkers, legendary creatures and other lore important cards.
Also she's pretty amazing in many EDH decks, so your problem isn't she is not powerful, your problem is that she is weak in standard.
I will say, since she is a 1/1 and B/W she could easily have deathtouch.
Not really. Legendary Elder Dinosaurs are rare, for example.
meh... i dont wanna pay 4 mana for a 1/1 lifelink mythic that gives me a 1/1 token with lifelink on its base
is this really supposed to be mythic level ?
i think she should either be a 3 mana creature or at least be a 2/2
this feels like a another missed opportunity. this will be another super cheap mythic. why not make it decent. i mean one of the above changes (3 cmc or 2/2) wouldnt make her broken or unbalanced...would make her just fair
compare it with pia nalar... she is a 3 mana 2/2 (so both and just 1 color) and has also 2 other abilities
pia and kiran nalar would be another example for 4 mana (still just 1 color)
SO WHY IS THIS MYTHIC ? even worse than vona ...(maybe i am just disappointed cause i was looking forward to this card)
She is mythic because she is a legendary, WotC already said that mythic is a slot for very powerful cards AND planeswalkers, legendary creatures and other lore important cards.
Also she's pretty amazing in many EDH decks, so your problem isn't she is not powerful, your problem is that she is weak in standard.
I will say, since she is a 1/1 and B/W she could easily have deathtouch.
Not really. Legendary Elder Dinosaurs are rare, for example.
The Elder Dinos feel much more like Mythics though, but I guess that doesn't matter.
It's a shame Elenda can't trigger when she goes to the command zone, but not every legendary creature needs to be tailored for being a commander.
According to Mavren Fein's tale and Planeswalker Guide to Ixalan (Part 2) Elenda was supposed to be nine feet tall and a great warrior, having defeated all by herself Apostatine Princes' army on Torrezon. She was in addition the one who brought vampirism on the continent, being in fact the ancestor of all vampires on Ixalan.
So, a deadly quite-tall fighter and a "progenitor". Neither of these two traits are appropriately shown on the card. She's only a 1/1 with no combat abilities (first strike, deathtouch, some -X/-X tricks) that dies in almost every clash: and this is in my opinion the biggest flavor fail. In addition, to create vampires (the "ancestor" side I suppose) she must die, while it would have been more appropriate if one of her main abilities had been to turn creatures into vamps like both Olivia'scards do (in fact Elenda brought vampirism, not vampires, back home).
Ultimately the card, while not that weak in the right build (anthems and equipments to increase her power are always a thing), it's all but memorable, anonymous I would say, for the fact that the same abilities would have fitted any other WB vampire in the set. Yeah, I know Vorthoses can't always get what they want, but they can hope.
Having said that, I'm also positive Elenda will get a better treatment in the story. Let's wait and see.
I'm great with Mythics being less than constructed worthy. Is this on purpose? Will all Mythics fall into this pattern or will be keep getting just one or two Mythics that rock, skyrocket in price, and keep Standard expensive?
I'm guessing the last one.
Poop.
When you make her a 1/1 without an ETB that at least gives her a single pump when played, she's too far below rate. Something like 'when blah blah enters the battlefield give one creature -x,-x where x is the number of vampires on the battlefield.
According to Mavren Fein's tale and Planeswalker Guide to Ixalan (Part 2) Elenda was supposed to be nine feet tall and a great warrior, having defeated all by herself Apostatine Princes' army on Torrezon. She was in addition the one who brought vampirism on the continent, being in fact the ancestor of all vampires on Ixalan.
So, a deadly quite-tall fighter and a "progenitor". Neither of these two traits are appropriately shown on the card. She's only a 1/1 with no combat abilities (first strike, deathtouch, some -X/-X tricks) that dies in almost every clash: and this is in my opinion the biggest flavor fail. In addition, to create vampires (the "ancestor" side I suppose) she must die, while it would have been more appropriate if one of her main abilities had been to turn creatures into vamps like both Olivia'scards do (in fact Elenda brought vampirism, not vampires, back home).
Ultimately the card, while not that weak in the right build (anthems and equipments to increase her power are always a thing), it's all but memorable, anonymous I would say, for the fact that the same abilities would have fitted any other WB vampire in the set. Yeah, I know Vorthoses can't always get what they want, but they can hope.
Having said that, I'm also positive Elenda will get a better treatment in the story. Let's wait and see.
Marvin Fein was also going bonkers from lack of blood, the 9ft tall part being an obvious exaggerating on his end. And she does make vampires.
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Pretty "meh" overall. If it had been "Whenever you opponent gains Energy or uses Energy..." or it had cost just BW, then I may have given her a sideways glance.
Still no Energy hosers though.
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I wouldn't want to see her in Limited or Sealed but in Standard she could work despite her initial stats. If she survives her first turn (and you aren't going to cast her without a contingency plan in place, are you?) then every time one of your 1/1 vampire tokens dies she gets bigger and promises to replace those tokens which were lost.
She is pretty much par for the course for Orzhov... I dont see why everyone is so fixated on Edgar. She doesnt go in Edgar tribal Vamps. She is pretty much a par for the course Tokens+Grave Pact+Sac Outlet Orzhov commander. No different than nearly every other Orzhov commander...
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Looking at new spoiled card Profane Procession//Tomb of the Dusk Rose and at its flavor text provided by cyberium_neo (Vona seeks the conqueror, Maiven seeks the savior, when they found the person...//...she is resting in her glorious tomb) Elenda third ability makes now more sense.
A board wipe + Indestructible on Elenda would be nice. Then you could sac her for a bunch of tokens. Unlikely you'd get away with it at all, but it might occasionally happen to the unwary.
There's always something not quite right with Orzhov legendaries. They're pretty weird, a lot of them. I can see, though, that Karlov of the Ghost Council might get along with her. Possibly Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter as well.
I don't hate the card, and I kind of want to build around it, but it is a bit underwhelming. I feel like a lot of this set's mythics feel like rares. But then again, a lot of rares feel like mythics (elder dinos in particular). Technically having the rares at mythic and the mythics at rare just lets us get the better cards more often, so I guess it's a good thing.
It's unfortunate that its last ability doesn't work well in Commander, because that's where it should shine the most. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that in order to get the death trigger in an EDH game you have to let her go to the graveyard rather than the command zone to get the death trigger. Putting her back in the command zone is a replacement effect, so if you do so, she isn't put into a graveyard from the battlefield (which is the definition of dying). It doesn't make her unplayable in EDH or anything, but throwing in a lot of recursion effects just to be able to use her last ability more than once is an inconvenience, plus I'm sure that it will confuse a fair number of less experienced EDH players and lead to disappointment when they're corrected.
They could have fixed it easily by having the ability trigger whenever Elenda leaves the battlefield instead of when she dies. It would have made her marginally more powerful, but I don't think the card is anywhere close to being too powerful as it is. It would have opened up blinking shenanigans as well, but the counters would fall off and she would only return as a 1/1, so it would be good but not broken. I don't know, I think it's a fun card, but the functionality leaves something to be desired.
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I think she will be much more useful in Ayli and Ghave, Guru of Spores decks
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Many Commander decks will certainly enjoy her company.
She is mythic because she is a legendary, WotC already said that mythic is a slot for very powerful cards AND planeswalkers, legendary creatures and other lore important cards.
Also she's pretty amazing in many EDH decks, so your problem isn't she is not powerful, your problem is that she is weak in standard.
I will say, since she is a 1/1 and B/W she could easily have deathtouch.
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Not really. Legendary Elder Dinosaurs are rare, for example.
The Elder Dinos feel much more like Mythics though, but I guess that doesn't matter.
It's a shame Elenda can't trigger when she goes to the command zone, but not every legendary creature needs to be tailored for being a commander.
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According to Mavren Fein's tale and Planeswalker Guide to Ixalan (Part 2) Elenda was supposed to be nine feet tall and a great warrior, having defeated all by herself Apostatine Princes' army on Torrezon. She was in addition the one who brought vampirism on the continent, being in fact the ancestor of all vampires on Ixalan.
So, a deadly quite-tall fighter and a "progenitor". Neither of these two traits are appropriately shown on the card. She's only a 1/1 with no combat abilities (first strike, deathtouch, some -X/-X tricks) that dies in almost every clash: and this is in my opinion the biggest flavor fail. In addition, to create vampires (the "ancestor" side I suppose) she must die, while it would have been more appropriate if one of her main abilities had been to turn creatures into vamps like both Olivia's cards do (in fact Elenda brought vampirism, not vampires, back home).
Ultimately the card, while not that weak in the right build (anthems and equipments to increase her power are always a thing), it's all but memorable, anonymous I would say, for the fact that the same abilities would have fitted any other WB vampire in the set. Yeah, I know Vorthoses can't always get what they want, but they can hope.
Having said that, I'm also positive Elenda will get a better treatment in the story. Let's wait and see.
I'm guessing the last one.
Poop.
When you make her a 1/1 without an ETB that at least gives her a single pump when played, she's too far below rate. Something like 'when blah blah enters the battlefield give one creature -x,-x where x is the number of vampires on the battlefield.
Marvin Fein was also going bonkers from lack of blood, the 9ft tall part being an obvious exaggerating on his end. And she does make vampires.
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Still no Energy hosers though.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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