Given that large sets usually only contain 3 walkers - it is unlikely we will see a member of the gatewatch, which is in keeping with what MaRo said about not puting the GateWatch in every set, because people are starting to get sick of them. Since the decks are always made from PWs in the block - this means that the only reasonable conclusion is that the two decks will be Rx Jaya (likely W) and Ux Karn (unless Jaya is G or B for some reason - then that opens the door for Teferi WU)
When the other 5 members lied to Ajani to gather allies they agreed to meet up on Dominaria according to the art book (thought its not mentioned in the story, likely meant to be a surprise they forgot to edit out the art book) and in the story its they have Liliana and Gideon talk about where they are going after; https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/impact-2017-03-29
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On the topic of Planeswalker Deck colors, keep in mind that it appears RIX's Vraska PWD is monoblack, not dual colored so going forward it looks like having two colors (and the requisite dual land) aren't a requirement.
On the topic of Planeswalker Deck colors, keep in mind that it appears RIX's Vraska PWD is monoblack, not dual colored so going forward it looks like having two colors (and the requisite dual land) aren't a requirement.
The decks are always dual coloured (or more - see Bolas) - even if the planeswalkers themselves are mono coloured. Just because the 'unique' cards are all black doesn't mean the deck itself will be mono - otherwise you could say the same about most of the other planeswalker decks (Nissa's unique cards were all green, Chandra's unique cards were all red, Jace's unique cards were all blue)
The dual-coloured taplands are too much an integral feature of the product for them to otherwise.
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On the topic of Planeswalker Deck colors, keep in mind that it appears RIX's Vraska PWD is monoblack, not dual colored so going forward it looks like having two colors (and the requisite dual land) aren't a requirement.
I can see a mono U Teferi with a UW deck and a mono R Jaya with a mono R deck
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On the topic of Planeswalker Deck colors, keep in mind that it appears RIX's Vraska PWD is monoblack, not dual colored so going forward it looks like having two colors (and the requisite dual land) aren't a requirement.
The decks are always dual coloured (or more - see Bolas) - even if the planeswalkers themselves are mono coloured. Just because the 'unique' cards are all black doesn't mean the deck itself will be mono - otherwise you could say the same about most of the other planeswalker decks (Nissa's unique cards were all green, Chandra's unique cards were all red, Jace's unique cards were all blue)
The dual-coloured taplands are too much an integral feature of the product for them to otherwise.
You may have missed that RIX Vraska deck is monoblack
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I was replying to someone who said just that. Could you provide a source on that info? I'm pretty sure we haven't learned the contents of these decks other than the reveal of their exclusive cards.
My point of view stems from this point - written on the "Ramp of Approval" announcement post;
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The default will be that the decks will be two-color even if the Planeswalker is monocolor. (Remember that a "default" means that's what we will do most of the time, but we reserve the right to change things up if we feel a particular Planeswalker Deck wants to be different.)
Given that Vraska has been BG in every other appearance (including in this block) I see no reason to assume that the deck is mono-black - unless you have a source on the information that I'm not a aware of.
I could maybe see the case for a mono-red Jaya or a colourless Karn (if they bring back Wastes - which could make sense on Dominaria) but I'm not sure what they'd replace the dual-coloured taplands with.
The Ramp of Approval article says "Four copies of an appropriate common dual land" - so it doesn't neccesarily have to be the taplands. Something like a common mono-coloured cycling desert or the additinal effect BFZ lands (Looming Spires) could count as well, I suppose.
The Ramp of Approval article says "Four copies of an appropriate common dual land" - so it doesn't neccesarily have to be the taplands. Something like a common mono-coloured cycling desert or the additinal effect BFZ lands (Looming Spires) could count as well, I suppose.
Are lands that produce only one color of mana considered dual lands?
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Are lands that produce only one color of mana considered dual lands?
No, but if the decks to wind up being monocoloured (which I'm still skeptical of - no one has sourced the info on the claim of Vraska's deck being mono-black) I doubt they'd put in the dual coloured lands.
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I was replying to someone who said just that. Could you provide a source on that info? I'm pretty sure we haven't learned the contents of these decks other than the reveal of their exclusive cards.
The article that revealed the PDW cards showed the dual from Angrath's deck (Cinder Barrens). IF Vraska's deck also included a dual I honestly can't think of a reason why they wouldn't have also spoiled that. Thus speculation that all mono-black spoiler cards+no spoiled dual land=in all likelihood a mono-black deck.
If Vraska's deck was GB then there'd be no reason for her card to be mono-black. If she's mono-black because the deck is vampire-centric (thus WB), then there's no reason for them not to have spoiled Forsaken Sanctuary along with Cinder Barrens.
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You may have missed that RIX Vraska deck is monoblack
I was replying to someone who said just that. Could you provide a source on that info? I'm pretty sure we haven't learned the contents of these decks other than the reveal of their exclusive cards.
The article that revealed the PDW cards showed the dual from Angrath's deck (Cinder Barrens). IF Vraska's deck also included a dual I honestly can't think of a reason why they wouldn't have also spoiled that. Thus speculation that all mono-black spoiler cards+no spoiled dual land=in all likelihood a mono-black deck.
If Vraska's deck was GB then there'd be no reason for her card to be mono-black. If she's mono-black because the deck is vampire-centric (thus WB), then there's no reason for them not to have spoiled Forsaken Sanctuary along with Cinder Barrens.
And the cards are numbered in order of the deck, Vraska first then Angrath, and there is no cards slot for a land in the numbering
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Didn't see it mentioned by anyone else, but I'm 99% certain the sail you can see in the background is the upper sail of the Predator, Flagship
Had to look some things up as I'm not up on the history but I believe you are correct. It also appears there is a Weatherlight style sky ship in the upper right of the artwork. Could be a "reborn" Weatherlight or just another new Skyship I suppose.
Evidently they are on the ruins of Stronghold on Rath where the Predator was destroyed. I still wonder what Teferi is magically vacuuming into his staff. Really looks like flower petals. I read about something called flowstone but again, I'm not up on the history.
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And the cards are numbered in order of the deck, Vraska first then Angrath, and there is no cards slot for a land in the numbering
This is the information I needed. Fair enough. It seems very strange that they'd do this in this situation.
Somewhere in this thread someone made the point of Teferi needing 'some other way' to gain a new spark. I was just catching up on the Amonkhet story - and in it Samut gains a spark from Hazoret after she saves her. There's nothing in the story to suggest Samut was born with a spark - it happened after she saved Hazoret. This suggests there are other ways to become sparked other than being born with it (Karn being able to be given them by other planeswalkers seems an exception since he's not really a living creature).
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And the cards are numbered in order of the deck, Vraska first then Angrath, and there is no cards slot for a land in the numbering
This is the information I needed. Fair enough. It seems very strange that they'd do this in this situation.
Somewhere in this thread someone made the point of Teferi needing 'some other way' to gain a new spark. I was just catching up on the Amonkhet story - and in it Samut gains a spark from Hazoret after she saves her. There's nothing in the story to suggest Samut was born with a spark - it happened after she saved Hazoret. This suggests there are other ways to become sparked other than being born with it (Karn being able to be given them by other planeswalkers seems an exception since he's not really a living creature).
You definitely misread that. The spark ignites during a moment of great emotional intensity; Samut's came from the pride of being acknowledged by her God. She was born with a dormant one, same as anybody else.
You definitely misread that. The spark ignites during a moment of great emotional intensity; Samut's came from the pride of being acknowledged by her God. She was born with a dormant one, same as anybody else.
More emotional intensity than the realization that everything she believed in her entire life was a lie? More than saving her lifelong friend from throwing his life away?
"My heart it is yours. Thank you, Samut the Tested." - that sounds to me like the God is bestowing something unto Samut - and then she seemed very proud (and not at all surprised) when Samut walked and then returned.
In every other instance of Planeswalkers - there's always some magic about them that is inexplicable that sets them apart (Part of the reason why Chandra was hunted and Jace was always viewed with suspicion). The only real 'gift' that Samut is credited with having was the ability to make herself faster - in a world where most of the initiates had some minor magical abilities.
I'm honestly not buying that Samut always had a spark - at least not as presented in the story.
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Does that have any relevance on how powerful his card should be?
No because Karn lost the spark he got from Urza when he used it to heal the time rifts and cause the Mending
Which is why Karn became vulnerable to phyexian corruption and was almost corrupted on Mirrodin/New Phyrexia but he was saved by Venser who gave up his life in order to give Karn his spark, saving Karn from the corruption
So current Karn has Venser's spark not Urza's although to be fair I don't think their is really any difference between sparks so I don't think it actually matters, Urza's spark wasn't special and would have been weakened by the mending like all others. Karn is however very powerful because he is an ancient and mighty golem and the greatest creation of Urza arguably the greatest artificer ever in the multiverse.
More emotional intensity than the realization that everything she believed in her entire life was a lie? More than saving her lifelong friend from throwing his life away?
"My heart it is yours. Thank you, Samut the Tested." - that sounds to me like the God is bestowing something unto Samut - and then she seemed very proud (and not at all surprised) when Samut walked and then returned.
In every other instance of Planeswalkers - there's always some magic about them that is inexplicable that sets them apart (Part of the reason why Chandra was hunted and Jace was always viewed with suspicion). The only real 'gift' that Samut is credited with having was the ability to make herself faster - in a world where most of the initiates had some minor magical abilities.
I'm honestly not buying that Samut always had a spark - at least not as presented in the story.
The problem is that it is very well established in the lore that the only being that can give you a spark is another planeswalker-- and at the cost of their own status as a planeswalker. Also, the only times that has happened both involved Karn receiving Urza and then Venser's sparks. Otherwise, the characters are either born with it or they aren't. The writers could change this at some later date, but at the moment that is just how they set up the canon such as it is.
Besides, the gods of Theros didn't even know about planeswalkers (with the exception of the God of Knowledge, who keeps it to himself), and the gods of Amonkhet didn't know that the God Pharoh was actually a Planeswalker either. Hazoret was just as surprised as the mortal crowd when Samut vanished and then reappeared moments later from her first planeswalk. Meaning Hazoret didn't know about planeswalker either, and almost certainly didn't give Samut a spark even if she could have done so.
And yeah, I know it seems contrived that this is the moment Samut first planeswalked and not the Hour of Devestation itself, but it is what it is. In fact, the writers don't always have planeswalkers spark through trauma; Narset did it through meditation, Venser did it through experimentation, and there are several planeswalkers like Tamyo and Dovin Baan whose backstories have not been told at all.
More emotional intensity than the realization that everything she believed in her entire life was a lie? More than saving her lifelong friend from throwing his life away?
"My heart it is yours. Thank you, Samut the Tested." - that sounds to me like the God is bestowing something unto Samut - and then she seemed very proud (and not at all surprised) when Samut walked and then returned.
In every other instance of Planeswalkers - there's always some magic about them that is inexplicable that sets them apart (Part of the reason why Chandra was hunted and Jace was always viewed with suspicion). The only real 'gift' that Samut is credited with having was the ability to make herself faster - in a world where most of the initiates had some minor magical abilities.
I'm honestly not buying that Samut always had a spark - at least not as presented in the story.
The problem is that it is very well established in the lore that the only being that can give you a spark is another planeswalker-- and at the cost of their own status as a planeswalker. Also, the only times that has happened both involved Karn receiving Urza and then Venser's sparks. Otherwise, the characters are either born with it or they aren't. The writers could change this at some later date, but at the moment that is just how they set up the canon such as it is.
Besides, the gods of Theros didn't even know about planeswalkers (with the exception of the God of Knowledge, who keeps it to himself), and the gods of Amonkhet didn't know that the God Pharoh was actually a Planeswalker either. Hazoret was just as surprised as the mortal crowd when Samut vanished and then reappeared moments later from her first planeswalk. Meaning Hazoret didn't know about planeswalker either, and almost certainly didn't give Samut a spark even if she could have done so.
And yeah, I know it seems contrived that this is the moment Samut first planeswalked and not the Hour of Devestation itself, but it is what it is. In fact, the writers don't always have planeswalkers spark through trauma; Narset did it through meditation, Venser did it through experimentation, and there are several planeswalkers like Tamyo and Dovin Baan whose backstories have not been told at all.
Don't remember the exact quote, but we've been told that Planeswalker Sparks ignite with strong emotion, positive or negative. We haven't really had an example of a positive spark ignition before Samut, but we've known it could happen.
Also, about Samut being a relatively "normal" Walker; the spark is supposed to manifest randomly among sentient beings. It's nice that we get some walkers who aren't uber powerful or have an op gimmick. Think of Domri Rade for another instance of a gifted but not overpowered mage who ascended.
You definitely misread that. The spark ignites during a moment of great emotional intensity; Samut's came from the pride of being acknowledged by her God. She was born with a dormant one, same as anybody else.
More emotional intensity than the realization that everything she believed in her entire life was a lie? More than saving her lifelong friend from throwing his life away?
Not every extreme emotion will trigger a spark. Glissa never accented to being a walker and she went through some ***** during the Mirrodin books. IIRC her whole family and village killed by levelers. Chandra saw her dad dye in front of her and was told her was was also dead yet she didn't spark until her trial.
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When the other 5 members lied to Ajani to gather allies they agreed to meet up on Dominaria according to the art book (thought its not mentioned in the story, likely meant to be a surprise they forgot to edit out the art book) and in the story its they have Liliana and Gideon talk about where they are going after;
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The decks are always dual coloured (or more - see Bolas) - even if the planeswalkers themselves are mono coloured. Just because the 'unique' cards are all black doesn't mean the deck itself will be mono - otherwise you could say the same about most of the other planeswalker decks (Nissa's unique cards were all green, Chandra's unique cards were all red, Jace's unique cards were all blue)
The dual-coloured taplands are too much an integral feature of the product for them to otherwise.
I can see a mono U Teferi with a UW deck and a mono R Jaya with a mono R deck
You may have missed that RIX Vraska deck is monoblack
I was replying to someone who said just that. Could you provide a source on that info? I'm pretty sure we haven't learned the contents of these decks other than the reveal of their exclusive cards.
My point of view stems from this point - written on the "Ramp of Approval" announcement post;
Given that Vraska has been BG in every other appearance (including in this block) I see no reason to assume that the deck is mono-black - unless you have a source on the information that I'm not a aware of.
I could maybe see the case for a mono-red Jaya or a colourless Karn (if they bring back Wastes - which could make sense on Dominaria) but I'm not sure what they'd replace the dual-coloured taplands with.
The Ramp of Approval article says "Four copies of an appropriate common dual land" - so it doesn't neccesarily have to be the taplands. Something like a common mono-coloured cycling desert or the additinal effect BFZ lands (Looming Spires) could count as well, I suppose.
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Are lands that produce only one color of mana considered dual lands?
No, but if the decks to wind up being monocoloured (which I'm still skeptical of - no one has sourced the info on the claim of Vraska's deck being mono-black) I doubt they'd put in the dual coloured lands.
The article that revealed the PDW cards showed the dual from Angrath's deck (Cinder Barrens). IF Vraska's deck also included a dual I honestly can't think of a reason why they wouldn't have also spoiled that. Thus speculation that all mono-black spoiler cards+no spoiled dual land=in all likelihood a mono-black deck.
If Vraska's deck was GB then there'd be no reason for her card to be mono-black. If she's mono-black because the deck is vampire-centric (thus WB), then there's no reason for them not to have spoiled Forsaken Sanctuary along with Cinder Barrens.
Does that have any relevance on how powerful his card should be?
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And the cards are numbered in order of the deck, Vraska first then Angrath, and there is no cards slot for a land in the numbering
Had to look some things up as I'm not up on the history but I believe you are correct. It also appears there is a Weatherlight style sky ship in the upper right of the artwork. Could be a "reborn" Weatherlight or just another new Skyship I suppose.
Evidently they are on the ruins of Stronghold on Rath where the Predator was destroyed. I still wonder what Teferi is magically vacuuming into his staff. Really looks like flower petals. I read about something called flowstone but again, I'm not up on the history.
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Still looks like the same 3C^ to me; this artist just gave him a bit more defined pectorals than normal, so it's split down the middle.
Unless he actually has a crack in his chest now where Venser put the new heart in?
Depends on what you mean by "proper planeswalkers".
Also, Dominaria is supposed to be where the Gatewatch rendezvous with Ajani, but whether or not any of them actually shows up is another story.
This is the information I needed. Fair enough. It seems very strange that they'd do this in this situation.
Somewhere in this thread someone made the point of Teferi needing 'some other way' to gain a new spark. I was just catching up on the Amonkhet story - and in it Samut gains a spark from Hazoret after she saves her. There's nothing in the story to suggest Samut was born with a spark - it happened after she saved Hazoret. This suggests there are other ways to become sparked other than being born with it (Karn being able to be given them by other planeswalkers seems an exception since he's not really a living creature).
You definitely misread that. The spark ignites during a moment of great emotional intensity; Samut's came from the pride of being acknowledged by her God. She was born with a dormant one, same as anybody else.
More emotional intensity than the realization that everything she believed in her entire life was a lie? More than saving her lifelong friend from throwing his life away?
"My heart it is yours. Thank you, Samut the Tested." - that sounds to me like the God is bestowing something unto Samut - and then she seemed very proud (and not at all surprised) when Samut walked and then returned.
In every other instance of Planeswalkers - there's always some magic about them that is inexplicable that sets them apart (Part of the reason why Chandra was hunted and Jace was always viewed with suspicion). The only real 'gift' that Samut is credited with having was the ability to make herself faster - in a world where most of the initiates had some minor magical abilities.
I'm honestly not buying that Samut always had a spark - at least not as presented in the story.
No because Karn lost the spark he got from Urza when he used it to heal the time rifts and cause the Mending
Which is why Karn became vulnerable to phyexian corruption and was almost corrupted on Mirrodin/New Phyrexia but he was saved by Venser who gave up his life in order to give Karn his spark, saving Karn from the corruption
So current Karn has Venser's spark not Urza's although to be fair I don't think their is really any difference between sparks so I don't think it actually matters, Urza's spark wasn't special and would have been weakened by the mending like all others. Karn is however very powerful because he is an ancient and mighty golem and the greatest creation of Urza arguably the greatest artificer ever in the multiverse.
The problem is that it is very well established in the lore that the only being that can give you a spark is another planeswalker-- and at the cost of their own status as a planeswalker. Also, the only times that has happened both involved Karn receiving Urza and then Venser's sparks. Otherwise, the characters are either born with it or they aren't. The writers could change this at some later date, but at the moment that is just how they set up the canon such as it is.
Besides, the gods of Theros didn't even know about planeswalkers (with the exception of the God of Knowledge, who keeps it to himself), and the gods of Amonkhet didn't know that the God Pharoh was actually a Planeswalker either. Hazoret was just as surprised as the mortal crowd when Samut vanished and then reappeared moments later from her first planeswalk. Meaning Hazoret didn't know about planeswalker either, and almost certainly didn't give Samut a spark even if she could have done so.
And yeah, I know it seems contrived that this is the moment Samut first planeswalked and not the Hour of Devestation itself, but it is what it is. In fact, the writers don't always have planeswalkers spark through trauma; Narset did it through meditation, Venser did it through experimentation, and there are several planeswalkers like Tamyo and Dovin Baan whose backstories have not been told at all.
Don't remember the exact quote, but we've been told that Planeswalker Sparks ignite with strong emotion, positive or negative. We haven't really had an example of a positive spark ignition before Samut, but we've known it could happen.
Also, about Samut being a relatively "normal" Walker; the spark is supposed to manifest randomly among sentient beings. It's nice that we get some walkers who aren't uber powerful or have an op gimmick. Think of Domri Rade for another instance of a gifted but not overpowered mage who ascended.
Not every extreme emotion will trigger a spark. Glissa never accented to being a walker and she went through some ***** during the Mirrodin books. IIRC her whole family and village killed by levelers. Chandra saw her dad dye in front of her and was told her was was also dead yet she didn't spark until her trial.
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