Total side note but I like how people are discussing running this over itself.
Well, it has to be said that Kolaghan is clearly better than Kolaghan. Considering what BR decks usually want and how stiff the competition in this guild is, there is no way that I would run Kolaghan over Kolaghan! Kolaghan might make it in as the sixth guild card or so. Kolaghan on the other hand ranks several places below that.
It was so funny to me when they described this as a downgrade to the original Zurgo during the Pax East panel. I was thinking if this is a downgrade, they should really "downgrade" all legendary creatures. Haha.
My deck designing is quite concise at this point:
1. Come up with deck idea
2. Realize this idea is somehow fundamentally similar to another deck I have or that is commonly played in my group
3. Decide I don't want to disassemble one of my existing decks
4. Give up and do nothing
I don't see the point of this new shroud mechanic. It's strictly worse than Hexproof. Threshold is pretty bad too, Delirium is a much better mechanic and probably easier to activate.
Otherwise this card is a pretty neat guy. Dodges removal and grows into a Primal Huntbeast. 3/5
It means playing three colors, but if you get this and Baron Von Count in draft, you could put a Doom counter on him at 1. It's also not bad with a Hangman with an almost guessed word.
Proliferate increases the number of existing counters on a permanent or player. By Gnome Means places one counter on a permanent that the card refers to.
For example: An opponent's Obelisk Spider can have a -1/-1 counter placed on it even if it had none to begin with through the use of By Gnome Means when you sacrificed one of your own artifacts such as a gnome. As the card refers to -1/-1 counters.
Proliferate increases the number of existing counters on a permanent or player. By Gnome Means places one counter on a permanent that the card refers to.
For example: An opponent's Obelisk Spider can have a -1/-1 counter placed on it even if it had none to begin with through the use of By Gnome Means when you sacrificed one of your own artifacts such as a gnome. As the card refers to -1/-1 counters.
It does much more than that, though! You pick a type of counter that a printed card refers to, but you put it on target permanent. Seems like this thing lets you put any sort of counters you want, so long as it exists somewhere in Magic.
Proliferate increases the number of existing counters on a permanent or player. By Gnome Means places one counter on a permanent that the card refers to.
For example: An opponent's Obelisk Spider can have a -1/-1 counter placed on it even if it had none to begin with through the use of By Gnome Means when you sacrificed one of your own artifacts such as a gnome. As the card refers to -1/-1 counters.
It does much more than that, though! You pick a type of counter that a printed card refers to, but you put it on target permanent. Seems like this thing lets you put any sort of counters you want, so long as it exists somewhere in Magic.
Like a use for all those cards that provide old school-styled counters like +1/+0 and +0/+2.
Total side note but I like how people are discussing running this over itself.
Well, it has to be said that Kolaghan is clearly better than Kolaghan. Considering what BR decks usually want and how stiff the competition in this guild is, there is no way that I would run Kolaghan over Kolaghan! Kolaghan might make it in as the sixth guild card or so. Kolaghan on the other hand ranks several places below that.
It was so funny to me when they described this as a downgrade to the original Zurgo during the Pax East panel. I was thinking if this is a downgrade, they should really "downgrade" all legendary creatures. Haha.
My deck designing is quite concise at this point:
1. Come up with deck idea
2. Realize this idea is somehow fundamentally similar to another deck I have or that is commonly played in my group
3. Decide I don't want to disassemble one of my existing decks
4. Give up and do nothing
I don't see the point of this new shroud mechanic. It's strictly worse than Hexproof. Threshold is pretty bad too, Delirium is a much better mechanic and probably easier to activate.
Otherwise this card is a pretty neat guy. Dodges removal and grows into a Primal Huntbeast. 3/5
Like a use for all those cards that provide old school-styled counters like +1/+0 and +0/+2.
Ooh, yeah -- why settle for +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters when you can have +2/+2 counters (found on various cards such as Soul Exchange and Fungus Elemental) and -2/-2 counters (Ebon Praetor)?
Hmm...most anything with Persist/Undying. Sorta terrifying with Quicksilver Fountain to dry out your land while the rest of the table drowns in an eternal flood. I'm amazed so many of these cards are playable. I use the term loosely, obviously, but I would have never referred to the other Un-Sets that way. At all. Ever.
That Which Was Taken and the Miyojins are good candidates with their divinity counters Armor Thrull for +1/+2 counters
You can put useless but highly flavourful Scream counters on things via All Hallow's Eve Armageddon Clock premiered Doom counters! Who knew!
Like with most Un-Cards, we need to check with MaRo, but I don't think it works with Blaze counters because of this ruling:
"If all blaze counters on a land are moved to a different land, the triggered ability doesn’t follow them. The first land no longer has the ability because it no longer has a blaze counter on it. The second land doesn’t have the ability because Obsidian Fireheart didn’t target it."
This implies that Blaze Counters are only granted their abilities when specifically Obsidian Fireheart targets a land with its ability. Since this card refers to the counter but not the ability that grants it all of its properties, there's a good chance the Blaze Counter is just an empty Counter when placed by this card.
Like with most Un-Cards, we need to check with MaRo, but I don't think it works with Blaze counters because of this ruling:
"If all blaze counters on a land are moved to a different land, the triggered ability doesn’t follow them. The first land no longer has the ability because it no longer has a blaze counter on it. The second land doesn’t have the ability because Obsidian Fireheart didn’t target it."
This implies that Blaze Counters are only granted their abilities when specifically Obsidian Fireheart targets a land with its ability. Since this card refers to the counter but not the ability that grants it all of its properties, there's a good chance the Blaze Counter is just an empty Counter when placed by [By Gnome Means].
This is correct. A 'blaze counter' has as much meaning as a divinity counter on a random permanent. Obsidian Fireheart's ability placing the counter is what gives the counter lasting meaning on that land. The only counters that have intrinsic rules meanings are the ones that modify power and/or toughness, and poison counters on players; pretty much everything else is defined by the effect(s) that put them down.
EDIT - I may have to revise that last statement. I could be wrong and technically ANY counter placed down is defined by the effect, but "put a +X/+X counter" could just be shorthand for "Put a counter on blah that increases its power and toughness both by X as long as it's there".
It means playing three colors, but if you get this and Baron Von Count in draft, you could put a Doom counter on him at 1. It's also not bad with a Hangman with an almost guessed word.
This doesn't interact with Baron Von Count, because you put the counter on the permanent, but not on the "5" as specified by the Baron.
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Multiple instances of lifelink on the same creature are redundant.
Multiple instances of lifelink on the same creature are redundant.
Multiple instances of lifelink on the same creature are redundant.
—Eli Shiffrin, Rules Manager, on a design stacking lifelink instances
It means playing three colors, but if you get this and Baron Von Count in draft, you could put a Doom counter on him at 1. It's also not bad with a Hangman with an almost guessed word.
This doesn't interact with Baron Von Count, because you put the counter on the permanent, but not on the "5" as specified by the Baron.
Surely it would put a second counter on wherever the counter happens to be at that time, allowing Baron to trigger twice?
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Dunes of Zairo
SHANDALAR
Innistrad - The Darkest Night
~THE RAVNICAN CONSORTIUM~
A Community Set
Commander: Allies & Adversaries
But that's not at all what's going on.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
The
Necromancer (or Noob)
Cat.
Don't ask, I don't know why ether...
For example: An opponent's Obelisk Spider can have a -1/-1 counter placed on it even if it had none to begin with through the use of By Gnome Means when you sacrificed one of your own artifacts such as a gnome. As the card refers to -1/-1 counters.
It does much more than that, though! You pick a type of counter that a printed card refers to, but you put it on target permanent. Seems like this thing lets you put any sort of counters you want, so long as it exists somewhere in Magic.
To win with Blaze counters.
Ooh, yeah -- why settle for +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters when you can have +2/+2 counters (found on various cards such as Soul Exchange and Fungus Elemental) and -2/-2 counters (Ebon Praetor)?
edit: obviously you need a per turn source of artifacts...
Armor Thrull for +1/+2 counters
You can put useless but highly flavourful Scream counters on things via All Hallow's Eve
Armageddon Clock premiered Doom counters! Who knew!
Like with most Un-Cards, we need to check with MaRo, but I don't think it works with Blaze counters because of this ruling:
"If all blaze counters on a land are moved to a different land, the triggered ability doesn’t follow them. The first land no longer has the ability because it no longer has a blaze counter on it. The second land doesn’t have the ability because Obsidian Fireheart didn’t target it."
This implies that Blaze Counters are only granted their abilities when specifically Obsidian Fireheart targets a land with its ability. Since this card refers to the counter but not the ability that grants it all of its properties, there's a good chance the Blaze Counter is just an empty Counter when placed by this card.
EDIT - I may have to revise that last statement. I could be wrong and technically ANY counter placed down is defined by the effect, but "put a +X/+X counter" could just be shorthand for "Put a counter on blah that increases its power and toughness both by X as long as it's there".
Past Ruminations
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- Kaladesh
- Zendikar
- Rise of the Eldrazi
- Alara Reborn
- Innistrad <- Personal Favorite
- Dark Ascension
- Avacyn Restored
- Theros
- Return to Ravnica
- Tarkir
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
Multiple instances of lifelink on the same creature are redundant.
Multiple instances of lifelink on the same creature are redundant.
—Eli Shiffrin, Rules Manager, on a design stacking lifelink instances
Surely it would put a second counter on wherever the counter happens to be at that time, allowing Baron to trigger twice?
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