Not for me, in any capacity whatsoever. I guess my interest might’ve been piqued somewhat had they included Spitfire Bastion and Itlimoc, but those two were already pre-released promo-ed and might’ve generated some backlash, understable. I feel great about skipping this.
I think they should have only done a couple less of the origins walkers; Gideon and Chandra could have been skipped, along with Arlinn. Arguel's Blood Fast should have been Growing Rites, and Mayor of Avabrook, Westvale Abbey and maybe Startled Awake (only non permanent transform card) could have been better alternates.
That said, its still a good box at MSRP or a little above.
arguel's Blood fast - nope sorry the green or the blue or the dagger from ixalan are the real correct choices. arlinn kord - nope I know it good but this is not a very powerful walker that wasted a slot. Chandra, fire of kaladesh - this is the worst of the baby gatewatch flip walkers
the ones that should have been in this Growing rites of itlimoc - really...you guys refused to put in budget Gaea's Cradle Dowsing dagger - this is a great flip equipment just as easy as to transform as the one in here. Search for Azcanta - this is good card it was the underrated of the ixalan flops but then standard later they realized they were wrong. Westvale Abbey - not too hard to flip and a 9/7 demon with flying, haste, indestructable and lifelink is pretty dang good for lots of formats. startled awake - it's a sorcery that transforms and mill decks love this.
My verdict
You put way way to many walkers in this this from the vault looks Morely like FTV planeswalker
But I'm thrilled all 5 baby gatewatch walkers are in this. (I'm Aware liliana did the same stunt anakin skywalker did in Star Wars.)
I think the only one that I'll be hunting for is Garruk I love his new artwork. I think it's awesome that it mirrors his old artwork. He starts off with his helmet and flips into not wearing it in the original.
It's like having the BFM back, except it is flying and looks like a monster out of John Carpenters The Thing.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Super excited I have one of these pre-ordered at MSRP. I was already excited just knowing Liliana, Delver, and Huntmaster, but this list is insane for me. Sure, the Ixalan Card could have been better, but, theres always a few misses in these FTV, and I feel the rest of the set MORE than makes up for that. Almost all of these cards are ones I was looking at picking up for decks, so, slam dunk for me.
I'm not really bothered by the Ixalan flip card. The problem is that when the set was being designed Wizards R&D likely had no idea what cards would be good in the new set, so they took a shot in the dark and missed. As for the rest of the set the only cards I'm disappointed in not seeing are Thing in the Ice, Westvale Abbey, and Growing Rites of Itlimoc.
My expectations were very low for this FTV, though. They had very little to work with when it comes to the theme of the set and even though they picked some historic cards that bring back memories, this is no where near as good as FTV Legends or the like. This is very close to FTV Annihilation in feel.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm not really bothered by the Ixalan flip card. The problem is that when the set was being designed Wizards R&D likely had no idea what cards would be good in the new set, so they took a shot in the dark and missed. As for the rest of the set the only cards I'm disappointed in not seeing are Thing in the Ice, Westvale Abbey, and Growing Rites of Itlimoc.
My expectations were very low for this FTV, though. They had very little to work with when it comes to the theme of the set and even though they picked some historic cards that bring back memories, this is no where near as good as FTV Legends or the like. This is very close to FTV Annihilation in feel.
You act like FTV: Legends didn't have stinkers in it too (Sun Quan, Visara the Dreadful, Oona)
Every FTV has good cards and bad cards. They couldn't have known the black flip card would be so bad. This one is way better than Annihilation and around the same as FTV:20 as far reprint quality goes (ignoring Jace's absurd price obviously)
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"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
This, to me, looks like the first decent FTV in a while, even if the cards don't have the highest cost. I will agree that they missed a couple of opportunities and a few cards definitely didn't need to be in this, but it is alright.
The werewolf Huntmaster looks ridiculous, it's like a "realistic" Sonic the Hedgehog character.
With either two shoulders or two biceps on her right arm. Whichever one it is, it looks really funky. Seems like a lot more time was spent on the human side (or werewolves just are a common creature that the artist has worked on).
This, to me, looks like the first decent FTV in a while, even if the cards don't have the highest cost. I will agree that they missed a couple of opportunities and a few cards definitely didn't need to be in this, but it is alright.
Yeah if you don't have any of the cards, don't mind *****ty foils and are the kind to buy cards in case you'll make a deck for them this is a 10/10 FTV. The only card that isn't used in anything is Elbrus.
I'll buy it if I can find it for $40 or under.
This, to me, looks like the first decent FTV in a while, even if the cards don't have the highest cost. I will agree that they missed a couple of opportunities and a few cards definitely didn't need to be in this, but it is alright.
Yeah if you don't have any of the cards, don't mind *****ty foils and are the kind to buy cards in case you'll make a deck for them this is a 10/10 FTV. The only card that isn't used in anything is Elbrus.
I'll buy it if I can find it for $40 or under.
Certainly, this is only worth about as much as MSRP. Personally, I would pay a bit more only because I quite enjoy foil DFC's.
Dunno and don't care about the others this FTV looks really solid. It's been a while since Lands, Relics, Exiled. Twenty didn't count for me; they "cheated" with 20 cards lol.
But then again Wizards could have easily done 20 cards as the status quo.
Considering the pool of cards they could choose from, the list looks pretty great. I didn't have interest in the product because of the entire pool so nothing changes here of course, but they picked some really solid card choices this time around.
As for Arguel's Blood Fast instead of Growing Rites of Itlimoc, every FTV contains at least one dud and honestly I'll rather it be from the latest set than from one that's out-of-print. Likewise Wizards wants people to be opening Ixalan packs so I don't think they'll be going after the obviously good choices from there (everyone obviously knows budget Cradle is going to be good, so there's no way they didn't see that).
If I can get this fairly cheaply I might get it. Jace, Lily and Nissa are all quite good and would be right at home in EDH. If I ever build that peasant cube I keep thinking about, delver would be a house. There are lots of other cool cards.
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EDH Decks UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition) WRKalemne's Angels BRUG Yidris's Wild Party UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys UBRThe Pretender
So Huntmaster of the fells suddenly wanted to be a woman? That´s kinda weird to me to be honest
Why is it weird exactly? It's not a legandary creature, so we can assume there are many huntmasters, both men and women
Sure but then make new cards. I don´t mind new artworks but for me it make sense to keep the gender and face and not totally redo it. You don´t see Wonder Woman turn into a man either
For a set to be truly good it would need at least a few modern staples in it or legacy cards and hold about a 3x multiplier on the contents Vs the current msrp. This is more a 6/10, or strictly mediocre / middle of the road. I'm not disappointed I pre-ordered and got one at msrp, but I definitely would skip it if I had to pay the 60 USD asking price. The big issue is they needed to focus more on original innistrad. The other sets are still very recent so their collector value isn't as high as say, mayor of avabruck with alternate art.
FTV angels was more a 7/10 due to the theme being mega popular despite not having the most useful additions outside edh and cube.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
So Huntmaster of the fells suddenly wanted to be a woman? That´s kinda weird to me to be honest
Why is it weird exactly? It's not a legandary creature, so we can assume there are many huntmasters, both men and women
Sure but then make new cards. I don´t mind new artworks but for me it make sense to keep the gender and face and not totally redo it. You don´t see Wonder Woman turn into a man either
Where you this upset over Meddling Mage, Elvish Piper, etc? Wizards changes the gender in the art of the non-legendary creatures now and then.
You trying to use Wonder Woman falls flat cause 1) Wonder Woman would be a legendary creature not a one of serve like the favor of non-legendary creatures and 2) there have been a few storylines that have had a male wonder woman. Their is a DC world where everyone is gender bent.
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"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Wow, I can't believe they put every single flippin' Planeswalker in here!
Now I can have a third style for the Origins Flipwalkers,
after pack foil and promo foil
(no expensive SDCC promos for me )
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
So Huntmaster of the fells suddenly wanted to be a woman? That´s kinda weird to me to be honest
Why is it weird exactly? It's not a legandary creature, so we can assume there are many huntmasters, both men and women
Sure but then make new cards. I don´t mind new artworks but for me it make sense to keep the gender and face and not totally redo it. You don´t see Wonder Woman turn into a man either
Where you this upset over Meddling Mage, Elvish Piper, etc? Wizards changes the gender in the art of the non-legendary creatures now and then.
You trying to use Wonder Woman falls flat cause 1) Wonder Woman would be a legendary creature not a one of serve like the favor of non-legendary creatures and 2) there have been a few storylines that have had a male wonder woman. Their is a DC world where everyone is gender bent.
That said, its still a good box at MSRP or a little above.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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arguel's Blood fast - nope sorry the green or the blue or the dagger from ixalan are the real correct choices.
arlinn kord - nope I know it good but this is not a very powerful walker that wasted a slot.
Chandra, fire of kaladesh - this is the worst of the baby gatewatch flip walkers
the ones that should have been in this
Growing rites of itlimoc - really...you guys refused to put in budget Gaea's Cradle
Dowsing dagger - this is a great flip equipment just as easy as to transform as the one in here.
Search for Azcanta - this is good card it was the underrated of the ixalan flops but then standard later they realized they were wrong.
Westvale Abbey - not too hard to flip and a 9/7 demon with flying, haste, indestructable and lifelink is pretty dang good for lots of formats.
startled awake - it's a sorcery that transforms and mill decks love this.
My verdict
You put way way to many walkers in this this from the vault looks Morely like FTV planeswalker
But I'm thrilled all 5 baby gatewatch walkers are in this. (I'm Aware liliana did the same stunt anakin skywalker did in Star Wars.)
It's like having the BFM back, except it is flying and looks like a monster out of John Carpenters The Thing.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Legacy - GW Enchantress
Modern - U Urzatron (In construction)
Multiplayer - B ZOMBIES
Casual - B Suicide Black
Casual - WURx Krark-Clan Ironworks
Pauper - URBx Affinity
Pauper - B Pestilence
Pauper - W Steel Soldiers
EDH - W Isamaru, Hound of Konda 1V1
EDH - GRB Kresh the Bloodbraided
EDH - GW Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
EDH - UR Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
EDH - RB Lyzolda, The Blood Witch
EDH - UW Bruna, Light of Alabaster (Reworking)
EDH - UB Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
EDH - UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
EDH - WUG Phelddagrif
EDH - BGR Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
Pauper EDH - G Garruk's Packleader
Pauper EDH - RG Bloodbraid Elf
CUBE:
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My expectations were very low for this FTV, though. They had very little to work with when it comes to the theme of the set and even though they picked some historic cards that bring back memories, this is no where near as good as FTV Legends or the like. This is very close to FTV Annihilation in feel.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You act like FTV: Legends didn't have stinkers in it too (Sun Quan, Visara the Dreadful, Oona)
Every FTV has good cards and bad cards. They couldn't have known the black flip card would be so bad. This one is way better than Annihilation and around the same as FTV:20 as far reprint quality goes (ignoring Jace's absurd price obviously)
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
With either two shoulders or two biceps on her right arm. Whichever one it is, it looks really funky. Seems like a lot more time was spent on the human side (or werewolves just are a common creature that the artist has worked on).
I'll buy it if I can find it for $40 or under.
Certainly, this is only worth about as much as MSRP. Personally, I would pay a bit more only because I quite enjoy foil DFC's.
But then again Wizards could have easily done 20 cards as the status quo.
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
As for Arguel's Blood Fast instead of Growing Rites of Itlimoc, every FTV contains at least one dud and honestly I'll rather it be from the latest set than from one that's out-of-print. Likewise Wizards wants people to be opening Ixalan packs so I don't think they'll be going after the obviously good choices from there (everyone obviously knows budget Cradle is going to be good, so there's no way they didn't see that).
EDH Decks
UWB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic's spring of life
RUG Animar, Soul of the Elements and friends... lots of them
WBG Karador king of two worlds (value and attrition)
WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
Sure but then make new cards. I don´t mind new artworks but for me it make sense to keep the gender and face and not totally redo it. You don´t see Wonder Woman turn into a man either
FTV angels was more a 7/10 due to the theme being mega popular despite not having the most useful additions outside edh and cube.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Where you this upset over Meddling Mage, Elvish Piper, etc? Wizards changes the gender in the art of the non-legendary creatures now and then.
You trying to use Wonder Woman falls flat cause 1) Wonder Woman would be a legendary creature not a one of serve like the favor of non-legendary creatures and 2) there have been a few storylines that have had a male wonder woman. Their is a DC world where everyone is gender bent.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Now I can have a third style for the Origins Flipwalkers,
after pack foil and promo foil
(no expensive SDCC promos for me )
Also nice to see both pieces of Brisela.
Like everyone, I'm wondering about Arguel's Blood Fast-
could that really not have been Growing Rites of Itlimoc, or at least Search for Azcanta?
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW