If you don't want it then I'll take it. As of the time I am writing this, only Unfriendly Fire will deal with this creature--Lightning Strike isn't good enough. Well, okay, Walk the Plank and Vraska's Contempt will, as well, but no other removal has been spoiled yet (unless I missed something).
Not that this would ever happen often, but the probability of it happening is not zero so at some point it will occur. In a midrange deck, ultimate Vraska then play this creature for instant win.
I don't play Standard Constructed or EDH so the card is virtually useless to me unless I build a casual deck which I do on occasion. I would sell it to whomever in a heartbeat though. You are first on the list.
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This isn't particularly great info to know, but here's the life loss differential when you cast this guy.
Differential is calculated as [their loss] - [your loss], so a positive number indicates that they lost more life than you. And vice versa.
Note that if he resolves and you're both at 1 life, the game is a draw.
It hits you and your opponent, then they play a glorybringer, or dinosaur with haste and you're dead. Great card, though.
right, because 1/3 of 20 equals 16 to make your scenario actually work. Great math, though.
Are you playing solitaire or magic? In magic, your life total fluctuates throughout the game.
That's true, but how many people are going to cast this creature when they are at 6 life, bringing them down to 4, while playing against an Rx deck in a meta that has a bunch of haste bombs like glorybringer? exactly, no one. your analysis of this new card is that its not a good card if and only if you play it at the worst possible time, against the worst possible matchup. If those are the kind of plays you make, then you might want to consider switching to solitaire as you mentioned. For the rest of us, we aren't going to go out of our way to make easily one the best creatures printed in years immediately lose us the game.
Remember folks, once upon a time gray merchant of asphodel was a constructed playable card in the best standard deck of its format. This card - for the exact same cost as gray merchant - drains your opponent without requiring any cards on board to be good, and leaves a bigger and better body behind.
Of course, there is a considerable difference in the fact that gray merchant gained you life, while this is draining you as well. It remains to be seen what consequence there will be for the shell that will slot this creature. If you lose lots of life, his drain doesn't affect you very much, so it isn't that intuitive to just pair him with life gain spells, because he will negate a good chunk of their effect.
Regardless, pretty sweet card, excited to see what it can do. Orc Pirate Wizard also dope typing heh.
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It hits you and your opponent, then they play a glorybringer, or dinosaur with haste and you're dead. Great card, though.
right, because 1/3 of 20 equals 16 to make your scenario actually work. Great math, though.
Are you playing solitaire or magic? In magic, your life total fluctuates throughout the game.
That's true, but how many people are going to cast this creature when they are at 6 life, bringing them down to 4, while playing against an Rx deck in a meta that has a bunch of haste bombs like glorybringer? exactly, no one. your analysis of this new card is that its not a good card if and only if you play it at the worst possible time, against the worst possible matchup. If those are the kind of plays you make, then you might want to consider switching to solitaire as you mentioned. For the rest of us, we aren't going to go out of our way to make easily one the best creatures printed in years immediately lose us the game.
Then what's the point of playing this creature? You provided the perfect situation, not me. Not all board states are ideal and you have to consider the worst possible outcome when playing a card like this against a very common and played card(s). Also, this isn't the best creature printed in the last few years, hell, it's not the best black creature printed this set. If it were, then black is screwed.
However, this card can and does compliment The Scarab God. If black had better removal and disruption, I could see it fit into a u/b re-animator shell.
Then what's the point of playing this creature? You provided the perfect situation, not me. Not all board states are ideal and you have to consider the worst possible outcome when playing a card like this against a very common and played card(s). Also, this isn't the best creature printed in the last few years, hell, it's not the best black creature printed this set. If it were, then black is screwed.
However, this card can and does compliment The Scarab God. If black had better removal and disruption, I could see it fit into a u/b re-animator shell.
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It hits you and your opponent, then they play a glorybringer, or dinosaur with haste and you're dead. Great card, though.
right, because 1/3 of 20 equals 16 to make your scenario actually work. Great math, though.
Are you playing solitaire or magic? In magic, your life total fluctuates throughout the game.
That's true, but how many people are going to cast this creature when they are at 6 life, bringing them down to 4, while playing against an Rx deck in a meta that has a bunch of haste bombs like glorybringer? exactly, no one. your analysis of this new card is that its not a good card if and only if you play it at the worst possible time, against the worst possible matchup. If those are the kind of plays you make, then you might want to consider switching to solitaire as you mentioned. For the rest of us, we aren't going to go out of our way to make easily one the best creatures printed in years immediately lose us the game.
Then what's the point of playing this creature? You provided the perfect situation, not me. Not all board states are ideal and you have to consider the worst possible outcome when playing a card like this against a very common and played card(s). Also, this isn't the best creature printed in the last few years, hell, it's not the best black creature printed this set. If it were, then black is screwed.
However, this card can and does compliment The Scarab God. If black had better removal and disruption, I could see it fit into a u/b re-animator shell.
First off, I didn't say it's THE best card printed in years, but rather one of them. Creatures that immediately impact life totals with and etb while leaving a sizable body tend to dominate entire meta's. thragtusk and siege rhino are two great examples of cards that did just that and where completely misjudged. Granted this card makes YOU lose life two, so it's worse in that regard, but it forces an opponent to use removal on it or sac 2 creatures to deal with it. This is clearly a build around type of card, and probably wouldn't be used in a deck that doesn't use it's life total a resource as Ashiok said.
What you mean about perfect situation baffles me. If you only judge a card by how good it is in it's worst situations, then you must be routinely playing the most vanilla and easy to gameplan against decks. If I'm expecting glorybringer every time on turn 5 from you, you are probably gonna be one of my easiest wins of the night. But someone dropping this new creature on me is gonna force me to actually have to think and not just slam the most expensive cards in the meta every turn.
right, because 1/3 of 20 equals 16 to make your scenario actually work. Great math, though.
Are you playing solitaire or magic? In magic, your life total fluctuates throughout the game.
That's true, but how many people are going to cast this creature when they are at 6 life, bringing them down to 4, while playing against an Rx deck in a meta that has a bunch of haste bombs like glorybringer? exactly, no one. your analysis of this new card is that its not a good card if and only if you play it at the worst possible time, against the worst possible matchup. If those are the kind of plays you make, then you might want to consider switching to solitaire as you mentioned. For the rest of us, we aren't going to go out of our way to make easily one the best creatures printed in years immediately lose us the game.
Then what's the point of playing this creature? You provided the perfect situation, not me. Not all board states are ideal and you have to consider the worst possible outcome when playing a card like this against a very common and played card(s). Also, this isn't the best creature printed in the last few years, hell, it's not the best black creature printed this set. If it were, then black is screwed.
However, this card can and does compliment The Scarab God. If black had better removal and disruption, I could see it fit into a u/b re-animator shell.
First off, I didn't say it's THE best card printed in years, but rather one of them. Creatures that immediately impact life totals with and etb while leaving a sizable body tend to dominate entire meta's. thragtusk and siege rhino are two great examples of cards that did just that and where completely misjudged. Granted this card makes YOU lose life two, so it's worse in that regard, but it forces an opponent to use removal on it or sac 2 creatures to deal with it. This is clearly a build around type of card, and probably wouldn't be used in a deck that doesn't use it's life total a resource as Ashiok said.
What you mean about perfect situation baffles me. If you only judge a card by how good it is in it's worst situations, then you must be routinely playing the most vanilla and easy to gameplan against decks. If I'm expecting glorybringer every time on turn 5 from you, you are probably gonna be one of my easiest wins of the night. But someone dropping this new creature on me is gonna force me to actually have to think and not just slam the most expensive cards in the meta every turn.
This creature doesn't come close to the power level of thragtusk or siege rhino and will not take over a meta. That's delusional thinking. Saying it's one of the best cards printed in years is absurd.
The life loss done to you is very relevant, especially against aggro decks and decks that will, in effect, 3:1 you with a card like glorybringer. The effect is negligible and dangerous against the wrong decks. Also, there are zero cards to support the symmetrical life loss like exquisite blood spoiled so far.
Are you playing solitaire or magic? In magic, your life total fluctuates throughout the game.
That's true, but how many people are going to cast this creature when they are at 6 life, bringing them down to 4, while playing against an Rx deck in a meta that has a bunch of haste bombs like glorybringer? exactly, no one. your analysis of this new card is that its not a good card if and only if you play it at the worst possible time, against the worst possible matchup. If those are the kind of plays you make, then you might want to consider switching to solitaire as you mentioned. For the rest of us, we aren't going to go out of our way to make easily one the best creatures printed in years immediately lose us the game.
Then what's the point of playing this creature? You provided the perfect situation, not me. Not all board states are ideal and you have to consider the worst possible outcome when playing a card like this against a very common and played card(s). Also, this isn't the best creature printed in the last few years, hell, it's not the best black creature printed this set. If it were, then black is screwed.
However, this card can and does compliment The Scarab God. If black had better removal and disruption, I could see it fit into a u/b re-animator shell.
First off, I didn't say it's THE best card printed in years, but rather one of them. Creatures that immediately impact life totals with and etb while leaving a sizable body tend to dominate entire meta's. thragtusk and siege rhino are two great examples of cards that did just that and where completely misjudged. Granted this card makes YOU lose life two, so it's worse in that regard, but it forces an opponent to use removal on it or sac 2 creatures to deal with it. This is clearly a build around type of card, and probably wouldn't be used in a deck that doesn't use it's life total a resource as Ashiok said.
What you mean about perfect situation baffles me. If you only judge a card by how good it is in it's worst situations, then you must be routinely playing the most vanilla and easy to gameplan against decks. If I'm expecting glorybringer every time on turn 5 from you, you are probably gonna be one of my easiest wins of the night. But someone dropping this new creature on me is gonna force me to actually have to think and not just slam the most expensive cards in the meta every turn.
This creature doesn't come close to the power level of thragtusk or siege rhino and will not take over a meta. That's delusional thinking. Saying it's one of the best cards printed in years is absurd.
The life loss done to you is very relevant, especially against aggro decks and decks that will, in effect, 3:1 you with a card like glorybringer. The effect is negligible and dangerous against the wrong decks. Also, there are zero cards to support the linear life loss like exquisite blood spoiled so far.
are you serious right now? 'especially against aggro decks?' you mean the only decks in any meta that don't care about their life total and are extremely weak to anykind of life loss? how about 'in effect 3:1 you with a card like glorybringer': first off, if you drop this card, you both loss life which is 1:1 and you have a big threat, then if they drop glorybringer they 2:1 you in that they hit you to the face and kill you brand new orc, BUT have to exert him to do so which IN EFFECT leaves them wide open for you to attack next turn. The problem with your logic is A: you don't understand actual ratios, B: you clearly assume that your opponent will only make the most stupid plays available, and C: have no actual understanding of how to build a deck that support the card you are evaluating.
You did mention a reanimator type of deck with the scarab god, which is a decent idea, but at that point is too much of a hassle to make him into a zombie or get him into the yard to reanimate to make worth it. Then you mentioned exquisite blood, which would be awesome with this card, but failed to see the plethora of cards in this set alone that drain your opponent and some that gain you life with that drain. And again, I can't stress this enough, because you seem to keep missing this, THIS CREATURE DRAINS YOUR OPPONENT ALSO. Which last I checked, if played BEFORE your attack, you can take 1/3 of their life and then swing for lethal. It's clear you aren't even truly beginning to think about how to make this card useful, you are just trying to find reasons to justify your original post that made it painfully obvious that you simply dismissed the card outright because it wasn't completely broken and obvious how to use it.
Too many people are taking other people's assessments of cards far too personally these days; this is a course of action which makes no sense.
This is a very solid creature--it is still a 4/4 menace with deathtouch--and in some instances it will win you a game. If your own life loss is a problem then follow up next turn with Battle at the Bridge for 4 or 5 and you probably regained all the life you lost. On the other hand, in some instances it won't matter if you play it--as noted, you play Ravager, you both lose some life, opponent plays Glorybringer, attack/exert, kills the orc, and does 4 to you, in which case you are much closer to losing than they are.
In other words, it is trivial to envision scenarios where this card is not only a win condition but sometimes win more but at the same time it is trivial to envision scenarios where this card is bad. Narrow, situational analysis is irrelevant just like analysis in a vacuum is irrelevant. This creature will absolutely win games in Sealed/Limited, it will be quite good in Standard, but it won't show up in older formats unless someone is being weird with their Reanimator deck.
Then what's the point of playing this creature? You provided the perfect situation, not me. Not all board states are ideal and you have to consider the worst possible outcome when playing a card like this against a very common and played card(s). Also, this isn't the best creature printed in the last few years, hell, it's not the best black creature printed this set. If it were, then black is screwed.
However, this card can and does compliment The Scarab God. If black had better removal and disruption, I could see it fit into a u/b re-animator shell.
I'd be surprised if black survives this standard rotation. It may be good in a re-animator deck, but I don't know think there is enough support. It seems like the best synergy is with the vampires and the scarab god.
Does dire fleet ravager's ability affect planeswalkers? Does my planeswalker lose any loyalty counters?
When wanting to ask a Rules question about a card, I would recommend you create a thread in the Rulings Forum, rather than post in a thread that hasn't had any activity for five months.
To answer your question, Dire Fleet Ravager causes loss of life. Planeswalkers don't have any life. Non-combat damage can be redirected to your opponent's planeswalkers, life loss can not. So no, your Planewalkers won't be affected.
Note - Damage causes loss of life, but loss of life is not damage.
I don't play Standard Constructed or EDH so the card is virtually useless to me unless I build a casual deck which I do on occasion. I would sell it to whomever in a heartbeat though. You are first on the list.
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Well that and he's clearly a mage.
right, because 1/3 of 20 equals 16 to make your scenario actually work. Great math, though.
Differential is calculated as [their loss] - [your loss], so a positive number indicates that they lost more life than you. And vice versa.
Note that if he resolves and you're both at 1 life, the game is a draw.
Are you playing solitaire or magic? In magic, your life total fluctuates throughout the game.
That's true, but how many people are going to cast this creature when they are at 6 life, bringing them down to 4, while playing against an Rx deck in a meta that has a bunch of haste bombs like glorybringer? exactly, no one. your analysis of this new card is that its not a good card if and only if you play it at the worst possible time, against the worst possible matchup. If those are the kind of plays you make, then you might want to consider switching to solitaire as you mentioned. For the rest of us, we aren't going to go out of our way to make easily one the best creatures printed in years immediately lose us the game.
Remember folks, once upon a time gray merchant of asphodel was a constructed playable card in the best standard deck of its format. This card - for the exact same cost as gray merchant - drains your opponent without requiring any cards on board to be good, and leaves a bigger and better body behind.
Of course, there is a considerable difference in the fact that gray merchant gained you life, while this is draining you as well. It remains to be seen what consequence there will be for the shell that will slot this creature. If you lose lots of life, his drain doesn't affect you very much, so it isn't that intuitive to just pair him with life gain spells, because he will negate a good chunk of their effect.
Regardless, pretty sweet card, excited to see what it can do. Orc Pirate Wizard also dope typing heh.
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Then what's the point of playing this creature? You provided the perfect situation, not me. Not all board states are ideal and you have to consider the worst possible outcome when playing a card like this against a very common and played card(s). Also, this isn't the best creature printed in the last few years, hell, it's not the best black creature printed this set. If it were, then black is screwed.
However, this card can and does compliment The Scarab God. If black had better removal and disruption, I could see it fit into a u/b re-animator shell.
Read my other stories as well (some ongoing):
Reaper King (a horror story), Kaalia of the Vast (an origin story), Sequels for Innistrad (Alternative sequels for Inn), Grey Areas (Odric's fanfic), Royal Succession (goblins),The Tracker's Message (eldrazi on Innistrad) and Ugin and his Eye (the end of OGW).
First off, I didn't say it's THE best card printed in years, but rather one of them. Creatures that immediately impact life totals with and etb while leaving a sizable body tend to dominate entire meta's. thragtusk and siege rhino are two great examples of cards that did just that and where completely misjudged. Granted this card makes YOU lose life two, so it's worse in that regard, but it forces an opponent to use removal on it or sac 2 creatures to deal with it. This is clearly a build around type of card, and probably wouldn't be used in a deck that doesn't use it's life total a resource as Ashiok said.
What you mean about perfect situation baffles me. If you only judge a card by how good it is in it's worst situations, then you must be routinely playing the most vanilla and easy to gameplan against decks. If I'm expecting glorybringer every time on turn 5 from you, you are probably gonna be one of my easiest wins of the night. But someone dropping this new creature on me is gonna force me to actually have to think and not just slam the most expensive cards in the meta every turn.
This creature doesn't come close to the power level of thragtusk or siege rhino and will not take over a meta. That's delusional thinking. Saying it's one of the best cards printed in years is absurd.
The life loss done to you is very relevant, especially against aggro decks and decks that will, in effect, 3:1 you with a card like glorybringer. The effect is negligible and dangerous against the wrong decks. Also, there are zero cards to support the symmetrical life loss like exquisite blood spoiled so far.
are you serious right now? 'especially against aggro decks?' you mean the only decks in any meta that don't care about their life total and are extremely weak to anykind of life loss? how about 'in effect 3:1 you with a card like glorybringer': first off, if you drop this card, you both loss life which is 1:1 and you have a big threat, then if they drop glorybringer they 2:1 you in that they hit you to the face and kill you brand new orc, BUT have to exert him to do so which IN EFFECT leaves them wide open for you to attack next turn. The problem with your logic is A: you don't understand actual ratios, B: you clearly assume that your opponent will only make the most stupid plays available, and C: have no actual understanding of how to build a deck that support the card you are evaluating.
You did mention a reanimator type of deck with the scarab god, which is a decent idea, but at that point is too much of a hassle to make him into a zombie or get him into the yard to reanimate to make worth it. Then you mentioned exquisite blood, which would be awesome with this card, but failed to see the plethora of cards in this set alone that drain your opponent and some that gain you life with that drain. And again, I can't stress this enough, because you seem to keep missing this, THIS CREATURE DRAINS YOUR OPPONENT ALSO. Which last I checked, if played BEFORE your attack, you can take 1/3 of their life and then swing for lethal. It's clear you aren't even truly beginning to think about how to make this card useful, you are just trying to find reasons to justify your original post that made it painfully obvious that you simply dismissed the card outright because it wasn't completely broken and obvious how to use it.
This is a very solid creature--it is still a 4/4 menace with deathtouch--and in some instances it will win you a game. If your own life loss is a problem then follow up next turn with Battle at the Bridge for 4 or 5 and you probably regained all the life you lost. On the other hand, in some instances it won't matter if you play it--as noted, you play Ravager, you both lose some life, opponent plays Glorybringer, attack/exert, kills the orc, and does 4 to you, in which case you are much closer to losing than they are.
In other words, it is trivial to envision scenarios where this card is not only a win condition but sometimes win more but at the same time it is trivial to envision scenarios where this card is bad. Narrow, situational analysis is irrelevant just like analysis in a vacuum is irrelevant. This creature will absolutely win games in Sealed/Limited, it will be quite good in Standard, but it won't show up in older formats unless someone is being weird with their Reanimator deck.
I'd be surprised if black survives this standard rotation. It may be good in a re-animator deck, but I don't know think there is enough support. It seems like the best synergy is with the vampires and the scarab god.
When wanting to ask a Rules question about a card, I would recommend you create a thread in the Rulings Forum, rather than post in a thread that hasn't had any activity for five months.
To answer your question, Dire Fleet Ravager causes loss of life. Planeswalkers don't have any life. Non-combat damage can be redirected to your opponent's planeswalkers, life loss can not. So no, your Planewalkers won't be affected.
Note - Damage causes loss of life, but loss of life is not damage.
Hope that helps explain things for you.