Pretty card. Interesting ability that seems totally Commander to me.
Unless they've not spoiled a buttload of lifegain vampy cards, not Standard worthwhile. At 5 CMC play Crested Sunmare instead and win straight up with with lifegain when it sticks. Legendary makes it awkward too.
You can't even respond to Glorybringer by destroying it when it enters the battlefield :/ so it gets you for sure. Feels like Vamps are a tease this set. Maybe setting up for next set?
Eldrazi jumped quite a few tiers in strength between BFZ and OGW, so I guess anything is possible.
At 7 life it should not only hit land but also put destroyed permanents into play under your control. 7 life? That's a bunch...a whole bunch...in 60 card formats.
Yeah, why doesn't it have hexproof, indestructible, and double strike, too? Plus I'm thinking it should at least be a 10/10. What are you thinking, wizards?!
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
I am attempting to make a highly aggressive build for my Edgar Markov deck. I need to keep my 5 CMC vampires to a minimum, and may use this in place of Blood Baron of Vizkopa.
You can't even respond to Glorybringer by destroying it when it enters the battlefield :/ so it gets you for sure. Feels like Vamps are a tease this set. Maybe setting up for next set?
Glorybringer? You mean that overly-hyped chump which enters the battlefield tapped, preventing it from attacking? Even if it does manage to enter untapped, it will just be shot down. I wouldn't worry about it.
Sweet in EDH but there are better options at most levels. For standard I dont think this is good enough or a good home to go to sadly (especially if you look at some of the new pushed dinosaurs).
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Not sure if I like him more than Licia as a commander. He's more straightforward but more control-based, while Licia is just a cheap beatstick that will almost always have a low mana cost.
At 7 life it should not only hit land but also put destroyed permanents into play under your control. 7 life? That's a bunch...a whole bunch...in 60 card formats.
Yeah, why doesn't it have hexproof, indestructible, and double strike, too? Plus I'm thinking it should at least be a 10/10. What are you thinking, wizards?!
Prolly hafta add 1 mana to the CMC for that. Otherwise seems totally reasonable.
Seriously though, while I was overly critical, I stand by my evaluation of this card not getting there. When was the last time a 5CMC creature that didn't immediately impact the board and/or have resiliency to removal see heavy play in Standard? I can see Vona's appeal...And when things are going well, she'll be fine...but more often than not things simply aren't going to line up that well for you. That's coming from someone who actively looks for the positive aspects of new cards.
Activate this ability only during your turn? What is this, Portal?
I might want this for my Selenia deck, but five is a lot of mana.
I was thinking the same thing, portal-wise. Adding those timing restrictions absolutely killed those cards for me, and this guy is no different. On enemy turns, he'd be an awesome commander, on your own turn only...eugh...pass...Have fun hanging out with diaochan and lady sun in my box of cards I never end up playing...
"For 400 years, I've been leading the army for conquest. Nobody on this land can oppose me."
Also, it's most likely not "Morningslayer", but "Slayer of [some guy/group]". Maybe Magaan?
Yeah, I wasn't entirely sure of the translation, since Google Translate gave me "Morgan's Slayer," "Magaan's Murder," and "Megan's Slaughter." Instead of going with what could possibly be Google Translate's notoriously poor Asian-language translations, I guessed that it was something that phonetically sounded liked these things. It's probably not correct, but we can fix it when the English version is released.
If she had flying she would be a lot better over all. As a 4/4 for 5 it needs at least 3 keywords on the card to really compete in standard, and her extra ability is fairly weak without working around the downside.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Everyone here talking about Vampires and I'm just pumped to finally, 25 years in, have a legendary Black/White knight. Vona loves having a Knight Exemplar and Kinsbaile Cavalier around to power him up, and at long last I can have a commander benefiting from those effects while I play Haakon, Stromgald Scourge alongside them.
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Also that Vampire is good alone with its stats & keywords. Though i wish it had Flying rather than vigilance, which is pointless with his activated ability.
You've got that reversed. Flying would be pointless with his activated ability - you could fly at them OR use the ability. With Vigilance, you can attack AND still use the ability. If they only had one blocker, you get through. If they have more blockers, kill one that could kill this. Either way, you pay 7 and then gain 4 back, so it is a net cost of 3 life.
Yet another WB legend that gains life and removes stuff... Between Ayli, Karlov, OG Teysa, and the handful of other legends, I'm getting a little tired of that pattern. I would like if WotC explored some different space than just "gain life and blow stuff up" for WB
That said, it's certainly an exciting card. Definitely powerful for commander.
Yet another WB legend that gains life and removes stuff... Between Ayli, Karlov, OG Teysa, and the handful of other legends, I'm getting a little tired of that pattern. I would like if WotC explored some different space than just "gain life and blow stuff up" for WB
That said, it's certainly an exciting card. Definitely powerful for commander.
Also, to be fair, if there's a WB 'gain life and blow stuff up' commander... wouldn't you expect it to be a Vampire?
Most of the Vampires seem to be more snowball aggro (build-up as they go, not as fast as RDW, more like White Weenie but with Black), but this card wants to play a slower mid-range game and I just don't see him fitting in the MB. Maybe a Sideboard card against other aggro decks, but that 4 toughness is what keeps me worried.
So basically, if you have a means of gaining lots of life, you can Vindicate every turn for free. Seems like a top-notch Commander in a deck that specializes in lifegain.
Or a friend for Licia or Oloro. #WhyIsThereNoAbzanLifegainLegend
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At 7 life it should not only hit land but also put destroyed permanents into play under your control. 7 life? That's a bunch...a whole bunch...in 60 card formats.
Yeah, why doesn't it have hexproof, indestructible, and double strike, too? Plus I'm thinking it should at least be a 10/10. What are you thinking, wizards?!
An ability that you pay 7 life for, should be better. A legendary, 5cmc mythic rare creature should have better stats than it does and have some type of evasion. This is edh garbage.
Eldrazi jumped quite a few tiers in strength between BFZ and OGW, so I guess anything is possible.
Vindicate on a stick is neat i guess tho
Yeah, why doesn't it have hexproof, indestructible, and double strike, too? Plus I'm thinking it should at least be a 10/10. What are you thinking, wizards?!
Glorybringer? You mean that overly-hyped chump which enters the battlefield tapped, preventing it from attacking? Even if it does manage to enter untapped, it will just be shot down. I wouldn't worry about it.
"For 400 years, I've been leading the army for conquest. Nobody on this land can oppose me."
Also, it's most likely not "Morningslayer", but "Slayer of [some guy/group]". Maybe Magaan?
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Prolly hafta add 1 mana to the CMC for that. Otherwise seems totally reasonable.
Seriously though, while I was overly critical, I stand by my evaluation of this card not getting there. When was the last time a 5CMC creature that didn't immediately impact the board and/or have resiliency to removal see heavy play in Standard? I can see Vona's appeal...And when things are going well, she'll be fine...but more often than not things simply aren't going to line up that well for you. That's coming from someone who actively looks for the positive aspects of new cards.
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Yeah, I wasn't entirely sure of the translation, since Google Translate gave me "Morgan's Slayer," "Magaan's Murder," and "Megan's Slaughter." Instead of going with what could possibly be Google Translate's notoriously poor Asian-language translations, I guessed that it was something that phonetically sounded liked these things. It's probably not correct, but we can fix it when the English version is released.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
You've got that reversed. Flying would be pointless with his activated ability - you could fly at them OR use the ability. With Vigilance, you can attack AND still use the ability. If they only had one blocker, you get through. If they have more blockers, kill one that could kill this. Either way, you pay 7 and then gain 4 back, so it is a net cost of 3 life.
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That said, it's certainly an exciting card. Definitely powerful for commander.
Also, to be fair, if there's a WB 'gain life and blow stuff up' commander... wouldn't you expect it to be a Vampire?
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Or a friend for Licia or Oloro. #WhyIsThereNoAbzanLifegainLegend
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An ability that you pay 7 life for, should be better. A legendary, 5cmc mythic rare creature should have better stats than it does and have some type of evasion. This is edh garbage.
This is a total homerun.
Probably too slow for Standard but I love this card to bits. My dream general for casual EDH: white black control!