As with this iteration of Jace and most every other Standard card from now until the end of time, the meta and other cards from this set and cards in the next set will dictate a card's usefulness in Tourneys. Stop evaluating cards in a vacuum, it's rather pointless.
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Even if you plus him the same turn you play him, you effectively payed 1UU to draw a card and then discard a card. To make matters worse, you probably don't have a blocker for Jace, Cunning Castaway anymore. This is the opposite of synergy.
The minus ability creates a 2/2 with a drawback. Compare how low of impact that ability is to the other three planeswalkers I mentioned.
Even if you plus him the same turn you play him, you effectively payed 1UU to draw a card and then discard a card. To make matters worse, you probably don't have a blocker for Jace, Cunning Castaway anymore. This is the opposite of synergy.
The minus ability creates a 2/2 with a drawback. Compare how low of impact that ability is to the other three planeswalkers I mentioned.
What he has in common with the other cards you mentioned is that people found reasons to assume they'd do ****-all as well.
I'm honestly not going to get into that habit this time.
Why, just WHY is Jace doing something physically difficult like hanging from an air ladder (or whatever it's called), looking like he seriously took to the gym and now shows off? His.. his image! That's Gideon stuff! Where did the supernerd mentality go?
I find it funny that Jace has a fairly realistic (albeit not stereotypically nerdy) body and everyone's complaining, but none of these people ever complained about Steve Argyle's various assaults on anatomy, shading, and not making cards that look like something a cat vomited on the carpet. Okay, that last one wasn't fanservicey at all (unless you have a cat vomit fetish) but my point remains.
As for me, I always wondered why planeswalkers weren't legendary. It's mostly flavor fluff, but Gideon and Sarkhan really want to join Captain Sisay's crew, wear the Champion's Helm, and have their Day of Destiny.
@theMarc: What if the boardwipe is Aether Snap, which destroys all tokens and all planeswalkers (and a bunch of other things like spikes and creatures with graft.
I'm complaining here for this happening to Jace, not Ajani Vengeant or Koth of the Hammer. And yes, some cards are oversexualized with no reason, which annoys me. However, with a real stretch of imagination, one can just attribute it to different cultures.
Here, on the other hand, we have a friggin' planeswalker iconic to the game; I expect his depiction to convey his supposed character.
Actually, now I think it over, my problem is focused on that Jace is supposed to have voluntarily chosen to wear those particular clothes and adopted that posture, since in his previous depictions (e.g. Jace, Memory Adept - the non-foil one) he seems well-trained enough without losing his nerdy aura.
However, unless they randomly looted clothes and had nothing else to wear or were shipwrecked or whatnot in the story, this is an attire completely disassociated with Jace's previous preferences for clothes (e.g. Jace Beleren), which also conveyed a part of his personality.
Anyways, this concluded my overanalysis on why I don't like a certain depiction of a fictional character.
Nothing says tropical climate quite like thick robes and a hood...
If you look at it closely, his Ixilan get up looks like his normal attire that's been shredded, most likely in an ship wreck or as a consequence of however he winds up on the plane. He has one glove on, the top part had been ripped up. The remnants of his hood or cloak is flapping in the breeze. I am like 90% sure this has to do with tying into the "Castaway" moniker.
If you look up the definition of Castaway:
noun
a person who has been shipwrecked and stranded in an isolated place.
We can clearly see that Jace has been shipwrecked, which usually involves being battered by debris and the sea. Clothing - even the cool stuff that Planeswalers wear - is not immune to such damage.
To add my two cents about the subject 'nerds' come in all shapes and sizes. Vin Diesel plays DND and the Command Zone has had an NFL player play commander with them on their channel and both of them are what the young kids call swol. Also Batman is a brain and fit. I actually really like the art. It gives the sense of adventure that is at the core of the set which I find a breath of fresh air. I wonder if there will be an official token? I assume they would since they print emblems for all the planeswalkers.
Even if you plus him the same turn you play him, you effectively payed 1UU to draw a card and then discard a card. To make matters worse, you probably don't have a blocker for Jace, Cunning Castaway anymore. This is the opposite of synergy.
The minus ability creates a 2/2 with a drawback. Compare how low of impact that ability is to the other three planeswalkers I mentioned.
you realize that you don't have to cast him on turn 3 right?
i really want wizards to rule on if all planeswalkers can be commanders. if so i can finally pilot my blink deck with venser.
Currently there is no need to make a ruling on it. As the current rules are pretty clear and state that only Legendary CREATURES can be Commanders. Well that are the five mono-coloured Planeswalker from Commander 2014.
This is why other Legendary permanents, such as Elbrus, the Binding Blade, can't be Commanders, unless your local group wants to make it a house rule.
I wouldn't be surprised if this planeswalker rules change is just WOTC taking the first step toward a future rules change in commander that broadens the definition of what a commander can be. I'm sure that they're going to roll out the idea slowly if they do plan to make this change and they probably have several employees theory building commander decks with planeswalkers as the commanders to try to find the truly broken planeswalker commanders so that if/when they roll out this rules change, they can roll it out with a banned list*.
*(If all planeswalkers were allowed to be commanders then I think they might end up banning Doubling Season. After that I think they'd ban a select few planswalkers from being a commander. I think Jace, the Mind Sculpter would never be allowed as a commander just because of its reputation. Sorin Markov might get nixed since Sorin's -3 and his mindslaver ultimate might just be too powerful to allow players to recast him over and over since black has amazing ramp in commander with Cabal Coffers and a ton of cheap, unconditional tutors. Then there are cards with "unfun" utltimates like Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and Narset Transcendent which also could get the ax. The only other planeswalker that looks like it could be broken to have in the command zone is Tezzeret the Seeker, but he is borderline and it really depends on how many potential combos his -x ability enables.)
Except WotC is not the ones in charge of Commander rules or its banlist. It's a third party group of fans, because EDH is a player-created format. So WotC adding legendary status to planeswalkers will do jack all to EDH deck construction rules if the Commander rules committee doesn't want it to.
And to reinforce the above point, the actual article was updated to include a note addressing Commander format:
"Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary permanents will now be true about legendary planeswalkers. Also note that this does not mean legendary planeswalkers can be your Commander unless an ability says so."
And to reinforce the above point, the actual article was updated to include a note addressing Commander format:
"Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary permanents will now be true about legendary planeswalkers. Also note that this does not mean legendary planeswalkers can be your Commander unless an ability says so."
This is good news as this means they wont start banning a bunch of planeswalkers in EDH.
And to reinforce the above point, the actual article was updated to include a note addressing Commander format:
"Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary permanents will now be true about legendary planeswalkers. Also note that this does not mean legendary planeswalkers can be your Commander unless an ability says so."
This is good news as this means they wont start banning a bunch of planeswalkers in EDH.
I've decided I am ok that not every planeswalker can be a commander but I think that they should be doing more flipwalkers in dfc sets and more this can be your commander in commander sets. I mean Arlin would be a cool commander if the human form was stuck as a human werewolf and only the werewolf side could planeswalk.
I wouldn't be surprised if this planeswalker rules change is just WOTC taking the first step toward a future rules change in commander that broadens the definition of what a commander can be. I'm sure that they're going to roll out the idea slowly if they do plan to make this change and they probably have several employees theory building commander decks with planeswalkers as the commanders to try to find the truly broken planeswalker commanders so that if/when they roll out this rules change, they can roll it out with a banned list*.
*(If all planeswalkers were allowed to be commanders then I think they might end up banning Doubling Season. After that I think they'd ban a select few planswalkers from being a commander. I think Jace, the Mind Sculpter would never be allowed as a commander just because of its reputation. Sorin Markov might get nixed since Sorin's -3 and his mindslaver ultimate might just be too powerful to allow players to recast him over and over since black has amazing ramp in commander with Cabal Coffers and a ton of cheap, unconditional tutors. Then there are cards with "unfun" utltimates like Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and Narset Transcendent which also could get the ax. The only other planeswalker that looks like it could be broken to have in the command zone is Tezzeret the Seeker, but he is borderline and it really depends on how many potential combos his -x ability enables.)
I am continually baffled by all the people online mistakenly concluding that this rule change would even have any bearing on the rules of EDH, what is it you all (think) you see that leads you to that erroneous conclusion? Planeswalkers not being legendary wasn't why they couldn't be your commander before, it's because they weren't legendary creatures. They still aren't, and if such a rules change was in the works, it wouldn't (and this is the key here) require them to be legendary - this could only be a "first step" towards making them valid commanders if you are seriously suggesting WotC is later going to make all planeswalkers creatures as well. Which is utterly ridiculous.
I realized as I was typing this that there is an even stupider way this could be a "first step", because you could be suggesting there will be a future rules change to allow any legendary permanent to be your commander, which makes more sense (in that it could be at all related to this rules change, instead of utterly unrelated, it doesn't actually make any sense at all because that would be stupid), but I seriously doubt that was your reasoning.
I really just want to know why people keep thinking this.
Except WotC is not the ones in charge of Commander rules or its banlist. It's a third party group of fans, because EDH is a player-created format. So WotC adding legendary status to planeswalkers will do jack all to EDH deck construction rules if the Commander rules committee doesn't want it to.
^^^This. WOTC even gets input on their designs by the people who run EDH (who also WOTC their blessing to make the cycle of Commanders planeswalkers), so anything that would hugely impact the format gets run by them first.
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I am continually baffled by all the people online mistakenly concluding that this rule change would even have any bearing on the rules of EDH, what is it you all (think) you see that leads you to that erroneous conclusion? Planeswalkers not being legendary wasn't why they couldn't be your commander before, it's because they weren't legendary creatures. They still aren't, and if such a rules change was in the works, it wouldn't (and this is the key here) require them to be legendary - this could only be a "first step" towards making them valid commanders if you are seriously suggesting WotC is later going to make all planeswalkers creatures as well. Which is utterly ridiculous.
I realized as I was typing this that there is an even stupider way this could be a "first step", because you could be suggesting there will be a future rules change to allow any legendary permanent to be your commander, which makes more sense (in that it could be at all related to this rules change, instead of utterly unrelated, it doesn't actually make any sense at all because that would be stupid), but I seriously doubt that was your reasoning.
I really just want to know why people keep thinking this.
I know a commander can only be a legendary creature and I wasn't implying that all Planeswalkers can now be commanders with this rules change. What I was saying is that if WOTC was planning in the future to change the rules of commander to allow all Planeswalkers to be commanders, then making Planeswalkers legendary would likely be one of the changes that they'd make.
The fact that WOTC has now issued errata that makes all planeswalkers legendary makes me feel that the likelihood has increased we'll see a future commander rules change which allows players to make their commander legendary planeswalkers as well as Legendary creatures (or possibly just expand it to legendary permanents, since I know that there are quite a few people who'd like to make an Elbrus, the Binding Blade deck).
Except WotC is not the ones in charge of Commander rules or its banlist. It's a third party group of fans, because EDH is a player-created format. So WotC adding legendary status to planeswalkers will do jack all to EDH deck construction rules if the Commander rules committee doesn't want it to.
^^^This. WOTC even gets input on their designs by the people who run EDH (who also WOTC their blessing to make the cycle of Commanders planeswalkers), so anything that would hugely impact the format gets run by them first.
Thanks for pointing this out, It was never clear to me on who actually was in charge of the rules for the format. I knew it was a player-created format, but had assumed WOTC took over the running of the rules and the format's banned list when they releases their first products dedicated to players that played commander.
And those people can play with house rules, like they've been doing, and are encouraged to do. It's not worth overhauling the whole format, because stuff like Legacy Weapon and Gaea's Cradle could be played from the command zone, just so a tiny percentage of players can more readily use Genju of the Realm or Elbrus as their commander.
After simmering on this Jace for a little while I actually like him a lot. He's proactive and his abilities feel nice for being on a 3cmc planeswalker.
Play one drop, Plunderer, Jace. Swing with Plunderer, loot and put an additional counter on Jace. His ult is now ready. Next turn ult him, the original dies but now you have two Jaces. Target Plunderer with both of your Jace's +1's, swing, loot twice, put an additional counter on either Jace. Next turn, you now have three Jaces.
I wanna play this card if only to pull off that interaction
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And those people can play with house rules, like they've been doing, and are encouraged to do. It's not worth overhauling the whole format, because stuff like Legacy Weapon and Gaea's Cradle could be played from the command zone, just so a tiny percentage of players can more readily use Genju of the Realm or Elbrus as their commander.
As long as whatever you are doing isn't busted most commander players don't complain too much about house ruling things. I often play with my fuse Gisela/Bruna as if they have partner because it just make sense.
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That was pretty interesting. But dropping a warship on me is cheating. Take it back!
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The plus ability isn't good. Jace, Vryn's Prodigy costs 1U and always loots. Jace, Cunning Castaway conditionally loots assuming you deal combat damage and costs 1UU. The plus ability doesn't do anything if you don't already have a board state. Saheeli Rai, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and Liliana, the Last Hope all do something if you don't already have a board state.
Even if you plus him the same turn you play him, you effectively payed 1UU to draw a card and then discard a card. To make matters worse, you probably don't have a blocker for Jace, Cunning Castaway anymore. This is the opposite of synergy.
The minus ability creates a 2/2 with a drawback. Compare how low of impact that ability is to the other three planeswalkers I mentioned.
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What he has in common with the other cards you mentioned is that people found reasons to assume they'd do ****-all as well.
I'm honestly not going to get into that habit this time.
To add my two cents about the subject 'nerds' come in all shapes and sizes. Vin Diesel plays DND and the Command Zone has had an NFL player play commander with them on their channel and both of them are what the young kids call swol. Also Batman is a brain and fit. I actually really like the art. It gives the sense of adventure that is at the core of the set which I find a breath of fresh air. I wonder if there will be an official token? I assume they would since they print emblems for all the planeswalkers.
you realize that you don't have to cast him on turn 3 right?
Sram's expertise seems like a nice companion card
I wouldn't be surprised if this planeswalker rules change is just WOTC taking the first step toward a future rules change in commander that broadens the definition of what a commander can be. I'm sure that they're going to roll out the idea slowly if they do plan to make this change and they probably have several employees theory building commander decks with planeswalkers as the commanders to try to find the truly broken planeswalker commanders so that if/when they roll out this rules change, they can roll it out with a banned list*.
*(If all planeswalkers were allowed to be commanders then I think they might end up banning Doubling Season. After that I think they'd ban a select few planswalkers from being a commander. I think Jace, the Mind Sculpter would never be allowed as a commander just because of its reputation. Sorin Markov might get nixed since Sorin's -3 and his mindslaver ultimate might just be too powerful to allow players to recast him over and over since black has amazing ramp in commander with Cabal Coffers and a ton of cheap, unconditional tutors. Then there are cards with "unfun" utltimates like Jace, Unraveler of Secrets and Narset Transcendent which also could get the ax. The only other planeswalker that looks like it could be broken to have in the command zone is Tezzeret the Seeker, but he is borderline and it really depends on how many potential combos his -x ability enables.)
"Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary permanents will now be true about legendary planeswalkers. Also note that this does not mean legendary planeswalkers can be your Commander unless an ability says so."
This is good news as this means they wont start banning a bunch of planeswalkers in EDH.
I've decided I am ok that not every planeswalker can be a commander but I think that they should be doing more flipwalkers in dfc sets and more this can be your commander in commander sets. I mean Arlin would be a cool commander if the human form was stuck as a human werewolf and only the werewolf side could planeswalk.
I am pretty sure with infinite jaces you would just -2 them, and swing for lethal next turn.
Nice catch though
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I realized as I was typing this that there is an even stupider way this could be a "first step", because you could be suggesting there will be a future rules change to allow any legendary permanent to be your commander, which makes more sense (in that it could be at all related to this rules change, instead of utterly unrelated, it doesn't actually make any sense at all because that would be stupid), but I seriously doubt that was your reasoning.
I really just want to know why people keep thinking this.
^^^This. WOTC even gets input on their designs by the people who run EDH (who also WOTC their blessing to make the cycle of Commanders planeswalkers), so anything that would hugely impact the format gets run by them first.
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I know a commander can only be a legendary creature and I wasn't implying that all Planeswalkers can now be commanders with this rules change. What I was saying is that if WOTC was planning in the future to change the rules of commander to allow all Planeswalkers to be commanders, then making Planeswalkers legendary would likely be one of the changes that they'd make.
The fact that WOTC has now issued errata that makes all planeswalkers legendary makes me feel that the likelihood has increased we'll see a future commander rules change which allows players to make their commander legendary planeswalkers as well as Legendary creatures (or possibly just expand it to legendary permanents, since I know that there are quite a few people who'd like to make an Elbrus, the Binding Blade deck).
Thanks for pointing this out, It was never clear to me on who actually was in charge of the rules for the format. I knew it was a player-created format, but had assumed WOTC took over the running of the rules and the format's banned list when they releases their first products dedicated to players that played commander.
Also, he's pretty funny with Skyship Plunderer.
Play one drop, Plunderer, Jace. Swing with Plunderer, loot and put an additional counter on Jace. His ult is now ready. Next turn ult him, the original dies but now you have two Jaces. Target Plunderer with both of your Jace's +1's, swing, loot twice, put an additional counter on either Jace. Next turn, you now have three Jaces.
I wanna play this card if only to pull off that interaction
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As long as whatever you are doing isn't busted most commander players don't complain too much about house ruling things. I often play with my fuse Gisela/Bruna as if they have partner because it just make sense.