Oh wow. I was in the process of designing my own take on a Zombie/Scarab God deck... but now I sort of want to build a Mairsil deck with Scarab God in the 99. Decisisons, decisions!
Mairsil is perfect in every single way. Flavor home run. Interesting ability to build around. Fair mana cost. Decent body. Acceptable art. Whoever is responsible for this one needs to start designing boros commanders, and all throwback commanders. There is nothing not right here.
That zombie lich is fantastic too, i need at least 5. I can think of at least two decks i want to jam him into right off the bat.
Not to be the one to rain on everyone's parade, but Mairsil is not a good card. The only once each turn clause ruins infinite combos unless you can blink him and/or loop from the yard.
No offense, but that does seem to be a recurring theme with a few of your posts, whether you mean to or not.
People are getting excited because Mairsil is pretty flavourful. If he was more bottom-up in his design, I doubt people would be that hyped.
It depends on which of my posts you're seeing. In this very post I said the lich was interesting, but you cut off that part from my quote.
Yeah, flavor homerun, great. Almost no one will play the card if it isn't good or at least powerful. Flavor is nice, but effectivness is better. From all legends that exist most are quickly forgotten, because they aren't powerful enough. Mairsil seems to fall in this category.
Forget flavor for a sec, I'm going to disagree with you because I think you're really underestimating this card as a commander. No, he can't easily go infinite. So? There's definitely 3 card combos involving him you could put in with cards that stand on their own. So combo is not off the table.
Additionally he says you can only activate each ability once per turn. Not an ability once per turn, each. Which means this guy can drive some serious card advantage once you stack up a few good abilities on him. Not to mention quickly become impossible to deal with with the protective abilities he has. And he can keep cycling through the non tap abilities every turn.
I think this guy can be far stronger then you're giving him credit for. Just because he doesn't have an easy two card combo doesn't mean he can't be a powerhouse of nearly unstoppable card advantage.
Can he equip himself to other creatures if you put equipment in the cage?
Can someone drive him if he is a vehicle?
Now that I'm done laughing my head off after reading these questions...no, Mairsil can't equip himself to anything if you put an Equipment in the cage because equipment that's a creature can't equip another creature. If Mairsil exiles a Vehicle with a cage counter on it, though, yes, another creature can drive him. You'll only be able to activate the crew ability once each turn, and it won't really have any substantial visual effect as Mairsil is a creature already.
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1. I don't say that in every spoiled card, not even close. Usually my complains are about unnecessary nerfing of an othwerwise interesting card or high mana cost.
Yeah, and that qualifies as "comments like these"; it's still complaining that the card isn't as competitive and efficient as you want it to be.
Not every card is good, and that's good. Lightning Bolt and Doom Blade are great cards, unless WotC starts pushing creatures to the point that they're all hexproof and indestructible. Some cards need to just be limited filler, or interesting kitchen-table cards, or just-decent-but-not-great standard fare.
3. Jeez, it is hard to post here. I'm not trying to sound smart, I'm sharing my opinion and being realistic. Am I only suppose to post if I like the card? If I want to judge it on its flavor? I'm sorry if it bothers you that I'm judging a card from a card game by how playable it is in said card game. Crazy, right?
Mairsil is playable. Not competitively playable, but playable in the sort of environments that the people he was designed for play in.
And nobody's saying that you can't have your opinions, but that doesn't mean you need to "rain on everyone's parade". We know Mairsil isn't competitive. We don't care. He's fun, and that's what matters most to his fans. Now, you're hardly the only person to do this, nor are you the worst offender, (not even in the top 1,000) but it's tiresome seeing people constantly comment that a new card isn't competitively viable, when said card clearly was never meant to be. EDH players didn't whine about the relevant threats in their format that Fatal Push doesn't hit. Few combo players complained about the fact that Nimble Obstructionist doesn't let them target their own Eater of Days trigger. Nobody worries about the formats that Tarmogoyfisn't good in. They all just recognise that those cards aren't made for them, and move on. Spikes complain about Timmy and Johnny cards, but rarely the other way around.
One With Nothing is terrible, but some people love it anyway. Let them. Like how they let you love your pet cards.
Not to be the one to rain on everyone's parade, but Mairsil is not a good card. The only once each turn clause ruins infinite combos unless you can blink him and/or loop from the yard.
No offense, but that does seem to be a recurring theme with a few of your posts, whether you mean to or not.
Some people are getting excited because Mairsil is pretty flavourful. If he was more bottom-up in his design, I doubt those people would be that hyped.
I know right? It's as if Ashiok has the inability to evaluate a card other than "power level". So annoying.
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It certainly sounded like personal attacks with "you're not a genius" and "stop trying to sound smart".
My "rain on everyone's parade" comment is very clear: everybody was being positive and excited about the Commander and I had a pretty negative view of it. The expression clearly shows the negative/positive dichotomy, not the smart/dumb one as you would have me or others believe.
Finally, I'm aware I'm not the target audience, and I still like cards that don't work for me (such as the lich spoiled in this very thread that only works in MP). They don't need to put an infinite combo in the deck. Even if Mairsil was printed without the clause, they could still print the deck without combos in it, making your points basically moot. Not to mention that the deck, as is, is one card away (ashnod's or phyrexian altar) to already have an infinite combo with Inalla + vampire-wizard guy that ressurects Wizards. Are you sure they're really that concerned about combos?
So heres the problem: "Sorry I dont mean to rain on everyone's parade but this card is bad" is not a statement of opinion. Its stating an opinion as fact. You're taking your assessment, which is not invalid mind you, that is based on your meta and your 3xperience and telling everyone else that theyre excitement over the potential of this card is wrong. And that's just not true. Sure if you're meta is all removal until the person with more Counterspell combos off Mairsil is bad. If thats your meta then sure shes bad, I feel bad for you because that sounds miserable, but don't tell everyone else that he won't work in their meta.
As for your analysis lets look again, huh? Firstly its clear that WotC DIDN'T design this for combo. It's just that they cant possibly test for every effect. And that's a good thing. Not everything should be built at maximum power and just let the players decide. Lets assume were building around him because he doesn't play a very good second fiddle. If you consider having a good card in your hand to exile with him as a hoop then I don't know what to tell you. And is it really disadvantage to do it? I mean you're effectively casting the card for free. And as long as you have Mairsil in play its also in play and untouchable. And if Mairsil dies the effect you exiled will still be there when Mairsil returns. As for getting something from your yard yeah that is a hoop to jump through but isn't that why we build decks? To jump through the hoop of our choice? Yes Narset is far more powerful than Mairsil in a vacuum but my point remains. Neither does anything to the board other than create a body when you cast them. And you can give Mairsil protection first. He's definitely fun and in meta that don't involve Hermit Druid can be powerful.
Aargh, a pity that due to the tribal theme of this Commander set, we probably won't be seeing Jaya Ballard (I don't expect she'll be reprinted as a Wizard, given who she is...). Would've been fun seeing Mairsil, Lim-Dul, Jaya and Jodah all at once.
Yes, he does. Reassembling skeleton might be better for what you're trying to do.
No, neither work with Marsil. His static ability (like all static abilities that don't specify) only functions on the battlefield, and thus he won't have either Skeleton's ability while in the graveyard. He'll have them on the field, but since they need to be in the graveyard to function, he won't be able to activate them. So both of those cards are non-bos with him.
From what I've seen in this very forum so far Mairsil, the Pretender is going to be one of the most misgendered characters ever.
Don't forget that Alesha, Who Smiles at Death has been misgendered even in the official story (she is a trans woman [thanks for the correction @wallycaine]).
Don't even start. Mods will close the thread. If you really want to tell me what in my overly-simplistic description is wrong, do so in a private message.
I have the feeling this has been a simple case of misunderstanding + language barrier. Please keep in mind before attacking someone that they simply might not be familiar with specific terms, or certain terms don't translate terribly well. Don't always assume the worst. Now, moving on to the topics at hand, please...
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
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That zombie lich is fantastic too, i need at least 5. I can think of at least two decks i want to jam him into right off the bat.
Forget flavor for a sec, I'm going to disagree with you because I think you're really underestimating this card as a commander. No, he can't easily go infinite. So? There's definitely 3 card combos involving him you could put in with cards that stand on their own. So combo is not off the table.
Additionally he says you can only activate each ability once per turn. Not an ability once per turn, each. Which means this guy can drive some serious card advantage once you stack up a few good abilities on him. Not to mention quickly become impossible to deal with with the protective abilities he has. And he can keep cycling through the non tap abilities every turn.
I think this guy can be far stronger then you're giving him credit for. Just because he doesn't have an easy two card combo doesn't mean he can't be a powerhouse of nearly unstoppable card advantage.
Now that I'm done laughing my head off after reading these questions...no, Mairsil can't equip himself to anything if you put an Equipment in the cage because equipment that's a creature can't equip another creature. If Mairsil exiles a Vehicle with a cage counter on it, though, yes, another creature can drive him. You'll only be able to activate the crew ability once each turn, and it won't really have any substantial visual effect as Mairsil is a creature already.
Not every card is good, and that's good. Lightning Bolt and Doom Blade are great cards, unless WotC starts pushing creatures to the point that they're all hexproof and indestructible. Some cards need to just be limited filler, or interesting kitchen-table cards, or just-decent-but-not-great standard fare.
Mairsil is playable. Not competitively playable, but playable in the sort of environments that the people he was designed for play in.
And nobody's saying that you can't have your opinions, but that doesn't mean you need to "rain on everyone's parade". We know Mairsil isn't competitive. We don't care. He's fun, and that's what matters most to his fans. Now, you're hardly the only person to do this, nor are you the worst offender, (not even in the top 1,000) but it's tiresome seeing people constantly comment that a new card isn't competitively viable, when said card clearly was never meant to be. EDH players didn't whine about the relevant threats in their format that Fatal Push doesn't hit. Few combo players complained about the fact that Nimble Obstructionist doesn't let them target their own Eater of Days trigger. Nobody worries about the formats that Tarmogoyf isn't good in. They all just recognise that those cards aren't made for them, and move on. Spikes complain about Timmy and Johnny cards, but rarely the other way around.
One With Nothing is terrible, but some people love it anyway. Let them. Like how they let you love your pet cards.
And even that poster child of 'horribly weak card' actually saw competitive play in sideboards against Owling Mine.
I know right? It's as if Ashiok has the inability to evaluate a card other than "power level". So annoying.
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Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
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So heres the problem: "Sorry I dont mean to rain on everyone's parade but this card is bad" is not a statement of opinion. Its stating an opinion as fact. You're taking your assessment, which is not invalid mind you, that is based on your meta and your 3xperience and telling everyone else that theyre excitement over the potential of this card is wrong. And that's just not true. Sure if you're meta is all removal until the person with more Counterspell combos off Mairsil is bad. If thats your meta then sure shes bad, I feel bad for you because that sounds miserable, but don't tell everyone else that he won't work in their meta.
As for your analysis lets look again, huh? Firstly its clear that WotC DIDN'T design this for combo. It's just that they cant possibly test for every effect. And that's a good thing. Not everything should be built at maximum power and just let the players decide. Lets assume were building around him because he doesn't play a very good second fiddle. If you consider having a good card in your hand to exile with him as a hoop then I don't know what to tell you. And is it really disadvantage to do it? I mean you're effectively casting the card for free. And as long as you have Mairsil in play its also in play and untouchable. And if Mairsil dies the effect you exiled will still be there when Mairsil returns. As for getting something from your yard yeah that is a hoop to jump through but isn't that why we build decks? To jump through the hoop of our choice? Yes Narset is far more powerful than Mairsil in a vacuum but my point remains. Neither does anything to the board other than create a body when you cast them. And you can give Mairsil protection first. He's definitely fun and in meta that don't involve Hermit Druid can be powerful.
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Yes, he does. Reassembling skeleton might be better for what you're trying to do.
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Modern: UB Zombie hunt UB - WR Boros tokens WR - BGW Treefolk tribal BGW
Commander: UR Mizzix, a Storm of spells UR (Decklist)
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.