This card might simply cost a tick too much to be really relevant.
In modern it has some applications, but all its good for, people will just main deck more Abrupt Decay and Qasali Pridemage , which will hurt even more.
So if this does something at all in Modern, its in fringe decks.
You'd have to wait until your upkeep, but it would be sacrificed that first upkeep after it entered the battlefield.
That`s not right. Creatures already in play with vanishing won`t be affected by it, they will just lose counters and vanish as normal. But new ones entering the battlefield won`t get any time counter and will stick, since the sacrifice condition is tied to removing the last time counter.
You'd have to wait until your upkeep, but it would be sacrificed that first upkeep after it entered the battlefield.
Can somebody verify this?
Vanishing reads 'when the last (counter) is removed, sacrifice it' and not 'if there are no counters on it, sacrifice it'. Since the card wouldn't even get any counters to begin with, you can't remove one and the sacrifice clause never triggers, no?
but if the auramancers are sacrificed without a vanishing counter, you get the enchantment tutor. so auramancers with a way to sac them works hopefully
You'd have to wait until your upkeep, but it would be sacrificed that first upkeep after it entered the battlefield.
That`s not right. Creatures already in play with vanishing won`t be affected by it, they will just lose counters and vanish as normal. But new ones entering the battlefield won`t get any time counter and will stick, since the sacrifice condition is tied to removing the last time counter.
Correct, that explanation is exactly how cards with Fading would interact with Solemnity though.
but if the auramancers are sacrificed without a vanishing counter, you get the enchantment tutor. so auramancers with a way to sac them works hopefully
There's no hopefully about it, that's exactly how they work, it's one of the card rulings on Gatherer; the second ability doesn't care why they went to the graveyard, just that they didn't have any time counters on them when they did.
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I wonder where we're going to see these "counters" coming from. I don't know if I would even put Solemnity in my side and I play RW.
Players get energy counters, so this should completely shut down energy decks... And poison/infect decks for that matters
I was referring to standard, definitely. Does this card come down fast enough against the decks that it hoses? I should get two of these for the side in standard, shouldn't I?
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You'd have to wait until your upkeep, but it would be sacrificed that first upkeep after it entered the battlefield.
No, they actually stick around forever. Vanishing is different than Fading. Fading says "when you can't remove a counter...". Vanishing on the other hand says "when the last counter is removed...". Since there is no counter to remove, there will be no trigger for removing a counter and no trigger to sacrifice it since no counter is removed.
I was referring to standard, definitely. Does this card come down fast enough against the decks that it hoses? I should get two of these for the side in standard, shouldn't I?
If you can play it on turns 3 or 4, then yes. It won't remove any energy counters they may have already accumulated but they won't be getting any more of them.
I wonder if we'll see a standard deck with Solemnity and Thing in the Ice. I know It isn't an auto-transform combo, but every Thing that's cast after Solemnity is on the battlefield will only require one instant or sorcery spell to transform.
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Hehe, it makes bounce cards a bit more useful and entertaining in Thing in the Ice decks. Say you have Essence Flux in hand and Thing as well as Solemnity. If Thing in the Ice entered the battlefield before the enchantment then you can use flux to remove all the counters from Thing in the Ice. If Thing in the Ice entered the battlefield after Solemnity, then you can use flux as a one mana Evacuation since it would cause Thing in the Ice to transform into Awoken Horror before exiling it and then returning it to the battlefield as Thing in the Ice again.
Crook of Condemnation = Relic of Progenitus 2.0? Although it costs 1 more to cast and to activate the first ability, and the second ability doesn't draw you a card. So, strictly worse Relic I guess.
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Solemnity will be too slow for Modern. If it removed counters when it ETB in addition to it's effect it'd be way unbalanced, but as it is by Turn 3 or 4 if you're playing this against Infect or Affinity you're too late. Better off as another card.
Won't be forcing it into any Commander decks, as building around it would put me in a very fragile position. I'm not arguing it's bad because it dies to removal, but it's bad because as soon as it gets removed all the effects I'm stopping from triggering like Cumulative Upkeep etc suddenly come online and I've hosed myself. For the purposes of hosing others, it's purely a meta card.
Crook of Condemnation = Relic of Progenitus 2.0? Although it costs 1 more to cast and to activate the first ability, and the second ability doesn't draw you a card. So, strictly worse Relic I guess.
Solemnity will be too slow for Modern. If it removed counters when it ETB in addition to it's effect it'd be way unbalanced, but as it is by Turn 3 or 4 if you're playing this against Infect or Affinity you're too late. Better off as another card.
Won't be forcing it into any Commander decks, as building around it would put me in a very fragile position. I'm not arguing it's bad because it dies to removal, but it's bad because as soon as it gets removed all the effects I'm stopping from triggering like Cumulative Upkeep etc suddenly come online and I've hosed myself. For the purposes of hosing others, it's purely a meta card.
Easy to play Solemnity turn 2 in Modern with mana dorks though.
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Interesting to see a card like Solemnity. From the way Maro talks about Poison/Infect, you would think he would've done everything possible to stop this card from printing. Like a weird Circle of Protection.
As someone else mentioned, why ban Aetherworks Marvel with this around the corner? Is there an even bigger threat lurking in the new set?
Interesting to see a card like Solemnity. From the way Maro talks about Poison/Infect, you would think he would've done everything possible to stop this card from printing. Like a weird Circle of Protection.
As someone else mentioned, why ban Aetherworks Marvel with this around the corner? Is there an even bigger threat lurking in the new set?
I mean, this is different from, say, Leeches because it doesn't remove any poison counters you already have. MaRo doesn't want anything printed that would make poison basically a second life total, and this doesn't do that.
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Thanks Wizards!
(no but seriously that card is going to make so many Johnnys happy...and so many edh decks cry)
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In modern it has some applications, but all its good for, people will just main deck more Abrupt Decay and Qasali Pridemage , which will hurt even more.
So if this does something at all in Modern, its in fringe decks.
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That`s not right. Creatures already in play with vanishing won`t be affected by it, they will just lose counters and vanish as normal. But new ones entering the battlefield won`t get any time counter and will stick, since the sacrifice condition is tied to removing the last time counter.
Can somebody verify this?
Vanishing reads 'when the last (counter) is removed, sacrifice it' and not 'if there are no counters on it, sacrifice it'. Since the card wouldn't even get any counters to begin with, you can't remove one and the sacrifice clause never triggers, no?
So Solemnity, Chronozoa, and a sacrifice outlet make for good times.
I was referring to standard, definitely. Does this card come down fast enough against the decks that it hoses? I should get two of these for the side in standard, shouldn't I?
If you can play it on turns 3 or 4, then yes. It won't remove any energy counters they may have already accumulated but they won't be getting any more of them.
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Hehe, it makes bounce cards a bit more useful and entertaining in Thing in the Ice decks. Say you have Essence Flux in hand and Thing as well as Solemnity. If Thing in the Ice entered the battlefield before the enchantment then you can use flux to remove all the counters from Thing in the Ice. If Thing in the Ice entered the battlefield after Solemnity, then you can use flux as a one mana Evacuation since it would cause Thing in the Ice to transform into Awoken Horror before exiling it and then returning it to the battlefield as Thing in the Ice again.
Crook of Condemnation = Relic of Progenitus 2.0? Although it costs 1 more to cast and to activate the first ability, and the second ability doesn't draw you a card. So, strictly worse Relic I guess.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Won't be forcing it into any Commander decks, as building around it would put me in a very fragile position. I'm not arguing it's bad because it dies to removal, but it's bad because as soon as it gets removed all the effects I'm stopping from triggering like Cumulative Upkeep etc suddenly come online and I've hosed myself. For the purposes of hosing others, it's purely a meta card.
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It do, the caveat being that creature removal is ubiquitous and enchantment removal can be fringe. For certain decks this is more or less a hard lock.
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Easy to play Solemnity turn 2 in Modern with mana dorks though.
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As someone else mentioned, why ban Aetherworks Marvel with this around the corner? Is there an even bigger threat lurking in the new set?
Because not every deck should have to play white to deal with Marvel.
Also, white had access to Authority of the Consuls to stop the Saheeli Combo. Combo still got banned.
I mean, this is different from, say, Leeches because it doesn't remove any poison counters you already have. MaRo doesn't want anything printed that would make poison basically a second life total, and this doesn't do that.
Thanks Wizards!
(no but seriously that card is going to make so many Johnnys happy...and so many edh decks cry)
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.