Good call. I always imagine the discussion going something like... 'Its not even *that* good. Yanno what? Fine. We'll put Strip Mine in the set to counter it. Nothing can possibly go wrong now.'
Well, it wasn't until Urza's Block that Mishra's Factory got good. For a long time, it was considered a Timmy card.
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So how DARE you think you know even one flipping iota of what I do in my life. I practice what I preach and if you are too weak willed to follow through it sounds like you need to work on your own character skills. If I say these things I mean it. Don't project your problems onto me. Learn some respect and manners and act like an adult.
Now if you want to retract your earlier false statement about your mischaracterization of myself I'd gladly continue the conversation in a civil and adult manner. That's up to you. Or don't and onto my Ignore list you go. Ball is in your court.
I can't tell whether my favorite thing here is the tantrum you're throwing or the fact you're apparently tracking a couple small businesses you didn't like that happened to go under as personal feathers in your cap. Either way, this post made my morning.
Your welcome, I aim to please. Lets drop it and get back to the topic at hand.
Anyone have a site link that has managed to decipher most all the leaked cards?
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I don't understand why we need to add Legedendary to the typing of planeswalkers unless this set is going to ocare about legendary.
It's the only way to make Jace's ultimate work. He creates copies of himself. The text reads something to the effect of "two copies of himself except they are not ?????-ry." The part before the 'ry' is cut off.
Under the current rules, if planeswalkers share a subtype then you can only keep one. It's very clear that they are going to get rid of the Planeswalker Uniqueness Rule which looks at subtype and make all planeswalkers Legendary and use the Legend rule (which cares about card name). If this change were to happen, and the last word in that ability is 'Legendary' - then the tokens would work as expected. This would also allow the 4 Nissas that are going to be in Standard after rotation be allowed in play all at the same time.
I thought though it says something about not being jace as well as not being legendary essentially making them identityless.
As you can see - the line before it is Jace, <Whatever> Castaway - so the line that ends in -ry can only be one word or two short words. The only thing that makes sense in context is "Legendary". Thus it's clear that the Planeswalker uniqueness rule is going away - which explains why Planeswalkers are now Legendary since they wouldn't need to be otherwise.
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If you click on them you'll see the best guess at deciphering them. It doesn't show them all, but it shows the ones that we know most of the card (IE - Jace is missing - but we're missing 2 of his abilities.)
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Why aren't these cards on this site under "other sets" spoilers? I can't make out anything on the sheet.
For the same reason the spoiled Dragon cards from Commander 2017 are not: Leaks without supporting evidence are treated as unconfirmed spoilers - it seems likely that if we get even a single card from a verified/official source that's confirming the whole lot. So it's a policy that separates along the thin line between "all but certain" and "confirmed".
Listed spoilers on MTGS are on the very, very safe site.
If you click on them you'll see the best guess at deciphering them. It doesn't show them all, but it shows the ones that we know most of the card (IE - Jace is missing - but we're missing 2 of his abilities.)
Thank you.
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Yeah HOU hasn't exactly impressed from a gameplay point of view, and Ixalan does seem generally more interesting so far where that is concerned.
Some talk about card type balance a few pages back caught my interest though, and I have this to ask: Why do we need artifact blocks like Kaladesh or Mirrodin to have even a slim chance of true noncreature artifact strategies, or just artifact strategies in general, in Standard? Even enchantments don't have it that rough, IMO, but those are also pretty eh compared to creatures.
Because the ubiquitous nature of powerful artifacts slotting into any deck is a nightmare to balance around. A fact exhibited by R&D screwing up every single 'artifact' block ever. From Urza to Kaladesh.
Urza block wasn't really an artifacts block. It had some of the most powerful artifacts at the time but it isn't really accurate to call it an artifacts block. It had more of an enchantment theme than an artifact theme. It didn't even really contain significantly more artifacts than other blocks released around that time did. Mirage block is just as much an 'artifacts block' as Urza block is.
The first true artifact block was mirrodin and it was very much one of the grandest experiments wotc developers and designers ever attempted. It literally reshaped how they did sets going forward.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Didn`t read whole thread, so don`t know if it was brought up before.
But what if the leaker were trying to extort some money from WoTC?
Steal the whole sheet, upload some whole sheet and close-up shots to hype it, intentionally avoiding high quality full picture of high profile cards. Threatens to leak all cards unless paid X dollars.
Information qua information cannot want anything. People may want information to be free. That certainly can be said. But information itself? Honestly, are we to the point where we anthropomorphize everything?
Any object, with actual substance or not, WANTS to do whatever its designed purpose was in the first place.
A chair wants to be sat on, and a table wants to be stable and able to lift.
These are its sole purpose and reason for being, so they want it and fullfill that purpose to its best ability, voluntarily or not.
Informations definition is knowledge that can be shared.
What else can it want than to be shared?
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The Internet was a revelation to me, I never imagined there are so many idiots on this planet.
Even though the rare hype will be gone when spoiler season for this starts
One other hype will still be there and that's how the art looks.
And a few of those cards are still impossible to make out.
I still find it annoying the quality of the images the leaker posted.
haha exactly
i mean, the first shot seemed like a quick one that he was trying to get on the sly
so it made sense
but the full sheet pic? no excuse there
none whatsoever
The fact there has been no follow up makes me wonder if they have already been roasted.
Yep. Seems strange that mister (or misses, gotta be pc nowadays or get yelled at) leaker troll has no follow ups. Either has been burned or is just revelling in the troll, watching us tweek out.
Didn`t read whole thread, so don`t know if it was brought up before.
But what if the leaker were trying to extort some money from WoTC?
Steal the whole sheet, upload some whole sheet and close-up shots to hype it, intentionally avoiding high quality full picture of high profile cards. Threatens to leak all cards unless paid X dollars.
Makes sense for me.
Someone brought up the possibility of this somewhere (I'm not sure if it was in this thread or not), but I haven't heard any news about what the leaker has done since the leaks were posted.
Note that if you squint hard enough, almost every card is readable. Even when the text is blurry you can often guess the text based on context and word length. The only cards that I can't decipher at least part of the rules text from are Vraska and the RW planeswalker. So if the leaker wants money, then they're expecting WotC to pay for two planeswalker cards and partial text from a handful of others to be kept secret. Don't get me wrong; the picture is blurry, but it's not unreadable enough for there to be much left for WotC to pay them for keeping secret.
Where's the dragon/angel/demon/sphinx/hydra we get atleast one of those in every set
It all depends on the plane. Khans of Tarkir, for example, had demons and a single hydra, but none of the other iconics (angels, sphinxes, dragons). Dragons of Tarkir had exclusively dragons.
On a dinosaur plane, it makes a lot of sense to have dinosaurs take the place of iconics, so this is what seems to have happened in the three dinosaur colors: red, green, and white. Dragons, hydras, and angels would be disappointing to open since a dinosaur would be functionally the same except with better tribal synergy.
Since this a pirate set, it also makes sense for there to be sea monsters rather than sphinxes. Sphinxes are the least popular of the iconics and they are commonly replaced by sea monsters. We've already seen a large sea creature: Fleet Swallower, the 4/6 fish that mills twenty cards when it attacks.
Black is the odd one out: it's largest creature is a 4/4. It's an "Orc Pirate Wizard". Humanoid races are certainly allowed to get large stats at times, but this isn't typically used as a replacement for a regular iconic.
I feel like there's a lot that feels missing from Ixalan. Sunbird's Invocation and Dragonskull Summit imply the presence of a phoenix and a dragons respectively, yet neither of those creatures types appears on the rare sheet (and neither would make much sense at common or uncommon). Not only are there no dragons, but none of the other five iconics as well, which is extremely odd given their extreme popularity and how there's always at least one or two in a set. Black's largest creature is only a 4/4 for five mana, which is much smaller than what would typically be any color's largest creature in a set. And there's no rare lands outside of the arbitrary dual land cycle, even though most large sets have at least one or two lands in addition to a dual land cycle.
Plus there are three cards that directly reference the names of characters: Tilomalli's Skinshifter, Kimalla's Sunwing, and Aegriath(?)'s Marauders, yet none of those three are legendary creatures on the rare sheet (unless the RW planeswalker is Kimalla). Still, they should have learned their lesson about putting names of characters on cards without giving those characters legendary creature cards from the backlash about Taigam. They can reference a character who doesn't get their card until a later set in the block (Djeru's Resolve), but it would be strange to do that for two if not three different characters...
Unless there are DFCs in Ixalan.
If there were, then Ixalan could still have:
1. A phoenix so that Sunbird's Invocation makes sense.
2. A dragon so that Dragonskull Summit makes sense and there would be at least one iconic in the set
3. Possibly one or more other iconics, as they are very popular (perhaps a demon)
4. A rare or mythic creature larger than a 4/4 for black
5. A rare land besides the checkland cycle
6. Legendary creature cards for Tilomalli, Aegriah(?), and/or Kimalla (if that's not the RW planeswalker's name) so that they aren't referencing 2-3 characters that don't get cards until the next set
Now granted, any or all of these things could show up in the second set in the block. But having so many references to the second set in the first set would probably be a bad idea. They want us to be excited for the second set, but not at the cost of the first set being disappointing or weird.
I wrote lengthy post about the other reasons why Ixalan might have DFCs here: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/speculation/778328-dfcs-in-ixalan . Those reasons included the weird set sizes in this block, the color imbalance on the rare sheet, the popularity as well as large design space of DFCs, and the surprisingly low complexity of the cards on the rare sheet. However, so many things that seem like they should be on the rare sheet but aren't is another piece of evidence for DFCs in Ixalan that I hadn't thought of back when I posted that thread.
It should be obvious now that this leak was 100% done by WotC and done on purpose. Looks like they got the mileage out of it they expected as it's covering up/glossing over the failure that is HOU.
It's fitting Hour of Devastation is abbreviated HOU, b/c Houston, we have a problem!
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It should be obvious now that this leak was 100% done by WotC and done on purpose. Looks like they got the mileage out of it they expected as it's covering up/glossing over the failure that is HOU.
.... you're kidding, right?
you must be... none of what you said makes any sense.
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Well, it wasn't until Urza's Block that Mishra's Factory got good. For a long time, it was considered a Timmy card.
Your welcome, I aim to please. Lets drop it and get back to the topic at hand.
Anyone have a site link that has managed to decipher most all the leaked cards?
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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I thought though it says something about not being jace as well as not being legendary essentially making them identityless.
While that part of the card is off the photo - there's not enough room for that many words.
Here's thread with that image - it's the one in the top left.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/778184-possible-leak-from-reddit-6-complete-cards-new
As you can see - the line before it is Jace, <Whatever> Castaway - so the line that ends in -ry can only be one word or two short words. The only thing that makes sense in context is "Legendary". Thus it's clear that the Planeswalker uniqueness rule is going away - which explains why Planeswalkers are now Legendary since they wouldn't need to be otherwise.
This is the best I've found;
http://mythicspoiler.com/ixa/index.html
If you click on them you'll see the best guess at deciphering them. It doesn't show them all, but it shows the ones that we know most of the card (IE - Jace is missing - but we're missing 2 of his abilities.)
I doubt I understandingnyou right but
About that dragon deck,
It's not unconfirmed anymore it's confirmed real
http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/coming-soon
The set symbol matches the leaks perfectly.
Thank you.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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One other hype will still be there and that's how the art looks.
And a few of those cards are still impossible to make out.
I still find it annoying the quality of the images the leaker posted.
I loathe creatures! Praise Prison and Land Destruction!
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Do you mean Workshop? Cause factory was a multi format all star for pretty much ever.
Urza block wasn't really an artifacts block. It had some of the most powerful artifacts at the time but it isn't really accurate to call it an artifacts block. It had more of an enchantment theme than an artifact theme. It didn't even really contain significantly more artifacts than other blocks released around that time did. Mirage block is just as much an 'artifacts block' as Urza block is.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
haha exactly
i mean, the first shot seemed like a quick one that he was trying to get on the sly
so it made sense
but the full sheet pic? no excuse there
none whatsoever
The fact there has been no follow up makes me wonder if they have already been roasted.
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If that's all the rares/mythics
Where's the dragon/angel/demon/sphinx/hydra we get atleast one of those in every set
I agree, though today we got some pretty neat spoilers
But what if the leaker were trying to extort some money from WoTC?
Steal the whole sheet, upload some whole sheet and close-up shots to hype it, intentionally avoiding high quality full picture of high profile cards. Threatens to leak all cards unless paid X dollars.
Makes sense for me.
Any object, with actual substance or not, WANTS to do whatever its designed purpose was in the first place.
A chair wants to be sat on, and a table wants to be stable and able to lift.
These are its sole purpose and reason for being, so they want it and fullfill that purpose to its best ability, voluntarily or not.
Informations definition is knowledge that can be shared.
What else can it want than to be shared?
Give irony and sarcasm, when ignorance and stupidity is found.
The whip is kept for special occasions
Yep. Seems strange that mister (or misses, gotta be pc nowadays or get yelled at) leaker troll has no follow ups. Either has been burned or is just revelling in the troll, watching us tweek out.
Someone brought up the possibility of this somewhere (I'm not sure if it was in this thread or not), but I haven't heard any news about what the leaker has done since the leaks were posted.
Note that if you squint hard enough, almost every card is readable. Even when the text is blurry you can often guess the text based on context and word length. The only cards that I can't decipher at least part of the rules text from are Vraska and the RW planeswalker. So if the leaker wants money, then they're expecting WotC to pay for two planeswalker cards and partial text from a handful of others to be kept secret. Don't get me wrong; the picture is blurry, but it's not unreadable enough for there to be much left for WotC to pay them for keeping secret.
It all depends on the plane. Khans of Tarkir, for example, had demons and a single hydra, but none of the other iconics (angels, sphinxes, dragons). Dragons of Tarkir had exclusively dragons.
On a dinosaur plane, it makes a lot of sense to have dinosaurs take the place of iconics, so this is what seems to have happened in the three dinosaur colors: red, green, and white. Dragons, hydras, and angels would be disappointing to open since a dinosaur would be functionally the same except with better tribal synergy.
Since this a pirate set, it also makes sense for there to be sea monsters rather than sphinxes. Sphinxes are the least popular of the iconics and they are commonly replaced by sea monsters. We've already seen a large sea creature: Fleet Swallower, the 4/6 fish that mills twenty cards when it attacks.
Black is the odd one out: it's largest creature is a 4/4. It's an "Orc Pirate Wizard". Humanoid races are certainly allowed to get large stats at times, but this isn't typically used as a replacement for a regular iconic.
I feel like there's a lot that feels missing from Ixalan. Sunbird's Invocation and Dragonskull Summit imply the presence of a phoenix and a dragons respectively, yet neither of those creatures types appears on the rare sheet (and neither would make much sense at common or uncommon). Not only are there no dragons, but none of the other five iconics as well, which is extremely odd given their extreme popularity and how there's always at least one or two in a set. Black's largest creature is only a 4/4 for five mana, which is much smaller than what would typically be any color's largest creature in a set. And there's no rare lands outside of the arbitrary dual land cycle, even though most large sets have at least one or two lands in addition to a dual land cycle.
Plus there are three cards that directly reference the names of characters: Tilomalli's Skinshifter, Kimalla's Sunwing, and Aegriath(?)'s Marauders, yet none of those three are legendary creatures on the rare sheet (unless the RW planeswalker is Kimalla). Still, they should have learned their lesson about putting names of characters on cards without giving those characters legendary creature cards from the backlash about Taigam. They can reference a character who doesn't get their card until a later set in the block (Djeru's Resolve), but it would be strange to do that for two if not three different characters...
Unless there are DFCs in Ixalan.
If there were, then Ixalan could still have:
1. A phoenix so that Sunbird's Invocation makes sense.
2. A dragon so that Dragonskull Summit makes sense and there would be at least one iconic in the set
3. Possibly one or more other iconics, as they are very popular (perhaps a demon)
4. A rare or mythic creature larger than a 4/4 for black
5. A rare land besides the checkland cycle
6. Legendary creature cards for Tilomalli, Aegriah(?), and/or Kimalla (if that's not the RW planeswalker's name) so that they aren't referencing 2-3 characters that don't get cards until the next set
Now granted, any or all of these things could show up in the second set in the block. But having so many references to the second set in the first set would probably be a bad idea. They want us to be excited for the second set, but not at the cost of the first set being disappointing or weird.
I wrote lengthy post about the other reasons why Ixalan might have DFCs here: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/speculation/778328-dfcs-in-ixalan . Those reasons included the weird set sizes in this block, the color imbalance on the rare sheet, the popularity as well as large design space of DFCs, and the surprisingly low complexity of the cards on the rare sheet. However, so many things that seem like they should be on the rare sheet but aren't is another piece of evidence for DFCs in Ixalan that I hadn't thought of back when I posted that thread.
So far my guess is:
1WB
Vigilance, lifelink
t, pay 1 life: something something something
2/3
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Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
It's fitting Hour of Devastation is abbreviated HOU, b/c Houston, we have a problem!
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oh did someone try to de blur as best as possible of the words? with a photo editor program
.... you're kidding, right?
you must be... none of what you said makes any sense.