I can tell you right now that what I see from IXA and HOU that I am going to skip buying the usual Fat Pack I do on every release for HOU. And I will be buying less HOU supplement product as well. I'd usually buy one or both of the planeswalker decks a couple of booster battle packs and a small handful of boosters spread out during its shelf life. I may not buy ANY on shelf product for HOU right now and just buy whatever singles I may want. (And I only see one I'm interested in so far.) As for IXA I like a few of the cards I see and will probably go back to my usual patterns from first impressions.
Wait... what?
You're not going to buy any HOU product off the shelf based on the spoiling of 40 cards out of the 199?
Weighing into the Fallen Empires vs. Homelands debate...
... I agree that Homelands is definitely the one that got beaten with the ugly stick there. Fallen Empires really only had its price tank because it was so available. Like, seriously, it was everywhere. There are LGSs still swimming in Fallen Empires product. And that's not necessarily because it was a bad set either - it's a wonderful set to teach with, for one. It's got a decent mix of complexity, tribal elements and archetypes to catch the interest of all types of new players.
But Homelands... if Homelands had any archetypes, I am yet to find them. They brought in the "five cards from each set" rule at tournaments because Autumn Willow and Serrated Arrows were seriously the only things seeing play. It was that ugly. I still play Fallen Empires cards in some of my kitchen table decks. I think I've got a single Arrows in my kids' peasant cube, and that's about it. Terrible, terrible set.
However, I'd also like to propose a third candidate - Prophecy.
When you base the entire mechanics of a set around denying yourself the resources to win the game, bad things follow. The most expensive cards in the set nowadays are Rhystic Study, Avatar of Woe and Spore Frog. Virtually everything else is in the 20c bin at your LGS.
I can tell you right now that what I see from IXA and HOU that I am going to skip buying the usual Fat Pack I do on every release for HOU. And I will be buying less HOU supplement product as well. I'd usually buy one or both of the planeswalker decks a couple of booster battle packs and a small handful of boosters spread out during its shelf life. I may not buy ANY on shelf product for HOU right now and just buy whatever singles I may want. (And I only see one I'm interested in so far.) As for IXA I like a few of the cards I see and will probably go back to my usual patterns from first impressions.
Wait... what?
You're not going to buy any HOU product off the shelf based on the spoiling of 40 cards out of the 199?
If it doesn't get significantly better over the spoilers this next week that answer may be yes. From what I've seen so far I am only really interested in 1 card and have a small interest in another. That is 2 of 40 cards. Carry that out over a 200 card set and it works out to 10 cards. It would be foolish just not to buy them and forget the rest. Now I do think there will be more I'm interested in, but IXA has my interest far more than the junk I've seen so far from HOU. Guess we will see this week.
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I can tell you right now that what I see from IXA and HOU that I am going to skip buying the usual Fat Pack I do on every release for HOU. And I will be buying less HOU supplement product as well. I'd usually buy one or both of the planeswalker decks a couple of booster battle packs and a small handful of boosters spread out during its shelf life. I may not buy ANY on shelf product for HOU right now and just buy whatever singles I may want. (And I only see one I'm interested in so far.) As for IXA I like a few of the cards I see and will probably go back to my usual patterns from first impressions.
Wait... what?
You're not going to buy any HOU product off the shelf based on the spoiling of 40 cards out of the 199?
If it doesn't get significantly better over the spoilers this next week that answer may be yes. From what I've seen so far I am only really interested in 1 card and have a small interest in another. That is 2 of 40 cards. Carry that out over a 200 card set and it works out to 10 cards. It would be foolish just not to buy them and forget the rest. Now I do think there will be more I'm interested in, but IXA has my interest far more than the junk I've seen so far from HOU. Guess we will see this week.
watch out! we've got a badass over here!
you'll buy it just like every other *****ty set you've drafted or accepted prize packs for.
we talk a big game, but we don't actually practice it. the problem here is that if we do actually not buy the product, WE will be blamed by wotc for that in terms of the leak, not in terms of the set being poorly designed.
honestly, i dislike all but 2 of these cards as well. i won't be actively buying these products either. the problem is that i will be forced into these products as prize support, a means to support my local store, or impulse buys. on top of that, if there are even 1-2 cards that become staples in ANY format, if the set is designed like ass (which it appears to be) STORES will be cracking boxes to get those cards.
there is honestly no way this pans out where wotc doesn't blame poor/diminished sales on this leak instead of their ***** design, and on top of that it'll still actually do... okay, because of the nature of draft/standard/prize support/mythic lotto.
HL had Serrated Arrows, nothing else saw play ever apart from the 5 from every set era.
Merchant Scroll saw enough play that they found it necessary to add it to the Vintage restricted list.
It took WotC 12 years and 8 months to restrict Merchant Scroll in Vintage because, in part, of Ponders printing in Lorwyn in 2007 and the Fastbond-Gush combo.
Merchant Scroll didn't even become an interesting card until 6th edition when interrupts received errata making them instants in 1999. Even then, in 2004, Inquest didn't even bother listing Scroll to save space in their publication. That's how bad so many people considered that card. Playing that card would have been almost unheard of 1995.
Even Baron Sengir improved after a 20 years. At the time he was printed, there was only one other vampire. Yay....
The poster I was replying to said "nothing else saw play ever". Don't get pissy with me now when I called attention to a point in the specified time span ('ever') when something else got played.
Is there a card list with all the spolied cards that could have been read, in text format? I tried browsing 4Chan but I can't folloe their posts/comments orders.
HL had Serrated Arrows, nothing else saw play ever apart from the 5 from every set era.
Merchant Scroll saw enough play that they found it necessary to add it to the Vintage restricted list.
Excellent point. Mea Culpa. I really should not have missed that- I have a HL one for sale on Ebay in the UK. It took off a few years later, but yeah, it was obviously very decent, and still sees Modern play, although it took a while to get good.
@CrazyPierre Ishan's Shade- it did indeed see play for a brief window due to Swords-proofing- when Alliances came out we had Ritual and Lake of the Dead. It probably saw the most play aside from Serrated Arrows.
Autumn Willow saw a really small amount too.
EDIT- I have sold lots of HL and FE boosters, people do still want them. I always have a soft spot for FE- introducing tribal, exploring counters with Thalids and on table threat cards, plus aforementioned good cards. HL cards looked good if that is your thing, but boy they generally sucked......
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Can anyone tell, if the rest follows soon ?
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Would just love if Vraska did lil Pirate Tokens
I played when Ice Age was released - Ice Age/Alliances (Alice - AL iances, ICE age) was a format. It never included Homelands.
So did I - you must have stopped after homelands release (or are wanting to forget Homelands was ever part of that block). Ice age and Alliances were the first two for the block and Homelands was the third. Mirage was released after Homelands. 'Alice' was probably a homebrew thing wishing Homelands never existed.
The Homelands () expansion, released after Ice Age and before Alliances, was originally considered to be a member of the Ice Age block, although it included none of the mechanics or themes of the block.
So it looks like I was wrong about the order, Homelands was released before Alliances - which furthers the conclusion they were all originally part of the same block.
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The Ice-Age block is the only block in Magic's history in which one expansion (Homelands) has been removed and replaced by a newer one (Coldsnap).
Which is exactly what I said in the post you replied to - Homelands was so bad it was the only set to have been de-blocked.
I can tell you right now that what I see from IXA and HOU that I am going to skip buying the usual Fat Pack I do on every release for HOU. And I will be buying less HOU supplement product as well. I'd usually buy one or both of the planeswalker decks a couple of booster battle packs and a small handful of boosters spread out during its shelf life. I may not buy ANY on shelf product for HOU right now and just buy whatever singles I may want. (And I only see one I'm interested in so far.) As for IXA I like a few of the cards I see and will probably go back to my usual patterns from first impressions.
Wait... what?
You're not going to buy any HOU product off the shelf based on the spoiling of 40 cards out of the 199?
If it doesn't get significantly better over the spoilers this next week that answer may be yes. From what I've seen so far I am only really interested in 1 card and have a small interest in another. That is 2 of 40 cards. Carry that out over a 200 card set and it works out to 10 cards. It would be foolish just not to buy them and forget the rest. Now I do think there will be more I'm interested in, but IXA has my interest far more than the junk I've seen so far from HOU. Guess we will see this week.
watch out! we've got a badass over here!
you'll buy it just like every other *****ty set you've drafted or accepted prize packs for.
we talk a big game, but we don't actually practice it. the problem here is that if we do actually not buy the product, WE will be blamed by wotc for that in terms of the leak, not in terms of the set being poorly designed.
honestly, i dislike all but 2 of these cards as well. i won't be actively buying these products either. the problem is that i will be forced into these products as prize support, a means to support my local store, or impulse buys. on top of that, if there are even 1-2 cards that become staples in ANY format, if the set is designed like ass (which it appears to be) STORES will be cracking boxes to get those cards.
there is honestly no way this pans out where wotc doesn't blame poor/diminished sales on this leak instead of their ***** design, and on top of that it'll still actually do... okay, because of the nature of draft/standard/prize support/mythic lotto.
so nothing changes.
despite your anger.
You know nothing about me. I do what I say and I say what I do. Let me give you a couple of examples since you are such an expert of my own mind.
About 15 years ago, a local merchant screwed me over as I bought a washing machine from his store. I frequented the store quite a bit at that time. I had enough, told him he'd never see me or a dime of my money again and that I'd laugh when his practices made him go out of business. Never set foot there again and in about 5 years the guy goes out of business. Fast forward, five or more years… Local fast food restaurant takes 25 minutes on a slow day to get my son and I food, then proceeds to screw it up. I inform the manager of the piss poor practices and vow I will never go back. I don't. The place is now closed. There are a few other local and online businesses that I will not patronize because of things I have heard or friends/family that have been mistreated.
So how DARE you think you know even one flipping iota of what I do in my life. I practice what I preach and if you are too weak willed to follow through it sounds like you need to work on your own character skills. If I say these things I mean it. Don't project your problems onto me. Learn some respect and manners and act like an adult.
Now if you want to retract your earlier false statement about your mischaracterization of myself I'd gladly continue the conversation in a civil and adult manner. That's up to you. Or don't and onto my Ignore list you go. Ball is in your court.
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The poster I was replying to said "nothing else saw play ever". Don't get pissy with me now when I called attention to a point in the specified time span ('ever') when something else got played.
My apologies. I retyped my response because my intial response was too snarky. I guess the Snark was still under the porch.
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Mythicspoiler has the list of the cards, but only partially.
Can anyone tell, if the rest follows soon ?
I gotta the Planeswalkers & Vehicles d:)
Would just love if Vraska did lil Pirate Tokens
I don't see them on Mythicspoiler.
In any case - right now we only have one close-up (of 6 cards) and one grainy picture of the whole sheet that's hard to make out. That 'partial list' is pretty much all the community has been able to make out.
EDIT: I found them on mythicspoiler - you have to mouse over the set name for a drop down and click 'More'.
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First, Homelands was never part of Ice Age block, it has nothing to do with the story.
Second, add me to the list of people that will likely not be buying anything from the new set either. I'm actually liking all these lackluster sets as it leaves more money in my pocket and I continue playing with the old cards I have.
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First, Homelands was never part of Ice Age block, it has nothing to do with the story.
Story has nothing to do with it being a block. If you were playing a sanctioned Block constructed tournament (which were a thing at that time), it included Homelands (not that it was super relevant as there weren't many cards from Homelands people wanted and it wasn't subject to the 5-of rule that Type 2 had. I ran Serrated Arrows)
According to this page Homelands was not originally part of the block, but was ret-conned to be part of the block while it was still in Type 2 (aka Standard) when they decided all blocks would have 3 sets.
So that's now 3 sources I have linked that all say Homelands was, at one point, part of the Ice Age block.
I have no horse in this race, but I just wanted to note there are also a number of articles from WotC confirming that Homelands, at least for a while, was part of Ice Age block (representative link)
EDIT: To clarify, this link basically supports both of your points.
It's "part of the block" in name only. It has zero to do with ice age mechanically, or story wise. Now it's listed as a standalone set.
No one is arguing that Homelands had anything to do with Ice Age story wise. What we're telling you is that your statement that Homelands was never a part of the Ice Block is wrong. Homelands was a part of the block until 2006. Not a single person played Ice Age/Alliances/Coldsnap in 1996.
You have to remember, WotC was begging to get players to buy Homelands packs. Introducing blocks and making Homelands part of it was one way to sell those boxes.
Therevs nothing wrong with looking at the set now and where it is. You just have to remember that the set has been around for twenty plus years and has had a l9ng checkered history. The DeLorean was a piece of garbage and slapping a Mr. Fusion and a Flux Capacitor into it doesn't change that.
I can tell you right now that what I see from IXA and HOU that I am going to skip buying the usual Fat Pack I do on every release for HOU. And I will be buying less HOU supplement product as well. I'd usually buy one or both of the planeswalker decks a couple of booster battle packs and a small handful of boosters spread out during its shelf life. I may not buy ANY on shelf product for HOU right now and just buy whatever singles I may want. (And I only see one I'm interested in so far.) As for IXA I like a few of the cards I see and will probably go back to my usual patterns from first impressions.
I agree that the HOU spoilers have been underwhelmimg but unlike Ixalan, we've seen very little of the set, and mostly commons and uncommons. Why they decided to spoil a bunch of uninteresting limited fodder is beyond me, but there have been a couple of decent uncommons. Plus Bolas and Ramunap Excavator are great, as is Bontu's Last Stand and presumably the rest of the last stand cycle. And there's still much more of the set to see. The best choice in my opinion is to hope for best but prepare for the worst.
You can't put the cat back into the bag, you might as well view the cards. But the leak does affect money matters plain and simple, Wizards is NOT happy with it. I'd be expecting an official statement of it coming later this week, I could even see one on Monday.
I agree with all of this. Hopefully people will take off their tinfoil hats once we get an official statement.
It's "part of the block" in name only. It has zero to do with ice age mechanically, or story wise. Now it's listed as a standalone set.
No one is arguing that Homelands had anything to do with Ice Age story wise. What we're telling you is that your statement that Homelands was never a part of the Ice Block is wrong. Homelands was a part of the block until 2006. Not a single person played Ice Age/Alliances/Coldsnap in 1996.
You have to remember, WotC was begging to get players to buy Homelands packs. Introducing blocks and making Homelands part of it was one way to sell those boxes.
Therevs nothing wrong with looking at the set now and where it is. You just have to remember that the set has been around for twenty plus years and has had a l9ng checkered history. The DeLorean was a piece of garbage and slapping a Mr. Fusion and a Flux Capacitor into it doesn't change that.
That's why I said in name only. It was released before alliance and wasn't added on to Ice Age block until several months after Alliance came out. It even says that it was developed as a separate expansion from Ice Age. Just because they decided to retroactively make it a part of Ice Age block in order to boost it's sale doesn't mean anything to me.
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I lived through Homelands and - official history or not - I don't remember even a glimmer of association between Homelands and Ice Age. I don't care if Garfield himself came in here and confirmed that it was a part of ice age, because even then I would say that they really failed to communicate the idea to the public.
Even the idea of blocks itself - I recall some of that sort of talk about Alliances - it being related to Ice Age I mean - and I remember it as if it was a new idea at the time. It was at least somewhat communicated - probably through one of the magazines of that period (scry, inquest, wizard etc...)
I can also give some background into my peers buying habits. We knew Homelands was crap. Ice Age was okay until the better sets came out, but in my area you could still get revised and beta boosters in a few places. Dual lands ran 10-20 bucks and there were tons of very powerful cards that could be had for relatively cheap prices. Most anyone could collect cards that are now known as vintage - and in my experience most players (at first) would rather permit the odd Juzam Djinn to be played under local house rules (or more like 1.5 rules to be accurate) than adhere to the new type 2 rules. At least in the beginning type 2 seemed to appeal more to the newest players who had missed out on revised, and I stopped playing the game before type 2 seemed relevant or even interesting.
So maybe homelands was a part of ice age, maybe it wasn't, maybe it was retconned in. But in that time when it was on the shelves it was mostly just the crappy set that people avoided.
How did they....that's not good. Nope, no way. Please, for the love of all that is the health of the Magic game, MTGSalvation community, I urge you not to try to enhance this photo further. Instead I really think we should be focusing on the here and now of Hour of Devestation and let Wizards determine how to best resolve this matter.
Spoilers aren't good for us, and is certainly even worse for Wizards. Think about all the time and effort they put into spoilers, promotional campaigns, set teases and the like: entire careers are built on spoilers being prevented. This is Godbook unprecedented, and I am VERY concerned as to how someone got their hands on a full rare/Mythic sheet. I'm dumbfounded, and don't even care about these spoilers.
More pathetic hand wringing and cringing have I never seen. Get over it, its a leak, it happens. We all get to check out some new cards. And honestly, wo don't owe WOTC anything. How do their boots taste? Absolutely cringeworthy.
Soooo...There's like 13 pages in this thread. Forgive me if its come up already, but isn't the timing of this leak, on the heels of another standard ban, strangely coincidental? I'm not much on conspiracies, but there is value to controlling the narrative. If, say, I wanted to focus the players attention on the future instead of a forgettable season rife with card devaluation, maybe its worth it to throw one sheet of a far future set under the bus. It certainly gets people talking about something besides the money they've lost due to developmental oversights that had to be corrected after they went to print.
Who knows? Maybe you get people talking about the next sets and hope for the game instead of dwelling on what has been a terrible year for WotC. You may even catch a bit of sympathy from the community for having the secrets of your future diary entry broadcast like the grainy make-out picture of Bieber and Rhianna.
All I'm saying is, there is a marketable price tag to that picture. But in a world where you need, more than anything, to change the conversation...well... maybe that cost starts to feel like a fair trade.
I lived through Homelands and - official history or not - I don't remember even a glimmer of association between Homelands and Ice Age. I don't care if Garfield himself came in here and confirmed that it was a part of ice age, because even then I would say that they really failed to communicate the idea to the public.
That just tells me you didn't play Block constructed. The store I used to play at alternated Block constructed between the two sets that were T2 legal at the time each week (Ice Age/Mirage and then Mirage/Tempest). If you didn't play Block constructed, then the fact that Homelands is legal in Ice Age block is rather moot and would have no bearing on your life.
Homelands may or may not have anything to do with the story (I didn't start following the story until Weatherlight) and it may or may not have had anything mechanically to do with the rest - but it WAS part of the block for Block Constructed purposes and that's all that matters for what that term means.
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Wikipedia is wrong. Ice Age/Alliances/Homelands MAY at one time been considered a "block." But not when the sets were in print. Alliances was an expansion to Ice Age, Homelands takes place on another world and was never mechanically or story wise connected to it. I can't remember if it was a Pro-Tour or a PTQ event, but Alice was a format in competitive magic for a season - separate from the normal Type 2. I'm having trouble pulling up specifics for you (this was MANY years ago, and early internet) but here's a wayback link to decks from the format from TheDojo.
Based on the Tournament Reports, it looks like it was the format for Pro Tour 3, and probably the associated PTQs. It wasn't some casual format, it was a real, sanctioned format. There was NEVER a sanctioned format (unless done ex-post-facto) with Ice Age/Alliances/Homelands.
I played when Ice Age was released - Ice Age/Alliances (Alice - AL iances, ICE age) was a format. It never included Homelands.
So did I - you must have stopped after homelands release (or are wanting to forget Homelands was ever part of that block). Ice age and Alliances were the first two for the block and Homelands was the third. Mirage was released after Homelands. 'Alice' was probably a homebrew thing wishing Homelands never existed.
The Homelands () expansion, released after Ice Age and before Alliances, was originally considered to be a member of the Ice Age block, although it included none of the mechanics or themes of the block.
So it looks like I was wrong about the order, Homelands was released before Alliances - which furthers the conclusion they were all originally part of the same block.
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The Ice-Age block is the only block in Magic's history in which one expansion (Homelands) has been removed and replaced by a newer one (Coldsnap).
Which is exactly what I said in the post you replied to - Homelands was so bad it was the only set to have been de-blocked.
Wait... what?
You're not going to buy any HOU product off the shelf based on the spoiling of 40 cards out of the 199?
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... I agree that Homelands is definitely the one that got beaten with the ugly stick there. Fallen Empires really only had its price tank because it was so available. Like, seriously, it was everywhere. There are LGSs still swimming in Fallen Empires product. And that's not necessarily because it was a bad set either - it's a wonderful set to teach with, for one. It's got a decent mix of complexity, tribal elements and archetypes to catch the interest of all types of new players.
But Homelands... if Homelands had any archetypes, I am yet to find them. They brought in the "five cards from each set" rule at tournaments because Autumn Willow and Serrated Arrows were seriously the only things seeing play. It was that ugly. I still play Fallen Empires cards in some of my kitchen table decks. I think I've got a single Arrows in my kids' peasant cube, and that's about it. Terrible, terrible set.
However, I'd also like to propose a third candidate - Prophecy.
When you base the entire mechanics of a set around denying yourself the resources to win the game, bad things follow. The most expensive cards in the set nowadays are Rhystic Study, Avatar of Woe and Spore Frog. Virtually everything else is in the 20c bin at your LGS.
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If it doesn't get significantly better over the spoilers this next week that answer may be yes. From what I've seen so far I am only really interested in 1 card and have a small interest in another. That is 2 of 40 cards. Carry that out over a 200 card set and it works out to 10 cards. It would be foolish just not to buy them and forget the rest. Now I do think there will be more I'm interested in, but IXA has my interest far more than the junk I've seen so far from HOU. Guess we will see this week.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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watch out! we've got a badass over here!
you'll buy it just like every other *****ty set you've drafted or accepted prize packs for.
we talk a big game, but we don't actually practice it. the problem here is that if we do actually not buy the product, WE will be blamed by wotc for that in terms of the leak, not in terms of the set being poorly designed.
honestly, i dislike all but 2 of these cards as well. i won't be actively buying these products either. the problem is that i will be forced into these products as prize support, a means to support my local store, or impulse buys. on top of that, if there are even 1-2 cards that become staples in ANY format, if the set is designed like ass (which it appears to be) STORES will be cracking boxes to get those cards.
there is honestly no way this pans out where wotc doesn't blame poor/diminished sales on this leak instead of their ***** design, and on top of that it'll still actually do... okay, because of the nature of draft/standard/prize support/mythic lotto.
so nothing changes.
despite your anger.
It took WotC 12 years and 8 months to restrict Merchant Scroll in Vintage because, in part, of Ponders printing in Lorwyn in 2007 and the Fastbond-Gush combo.
Merchant Scroll didn't even become an interesting card until 6th edition when interrupts received errata making them instants in 1999. Even then, in 2004, Inquest didn't even bother listing Scroll to save space in their publication. That's how bad so many people considered that card. Playing that card would have been almost unheard of 1995.
Even Baron Sengir improved after a 20 years. At the time he was printed, there was only one other vampire. Yay....
Excellent point. Mea Culpa. I really should not have missed that- I have a HL one for sale on Ebay in the UK. It took off a few years later, but yeah, it was obviously very decent, and still sees Modern play, although it took a while to get good.
@CrazyPierre Ishan's Shade- it did indeed see play for a brief window due to Swords-proofing- when Alliances came out we had Ritual and Lake of the Dead. It probably saw the most play aside from Serrated Arrows.
Autumn Willow saw a really small amount too.
EDIT- I have sold lots of HL and FE boosters, people do still want them. I always have a soft spot for FE- introducing tribal, exploring counters with Thalids and on table threat cards, plus aforementioned good cards. HL cards looked good if that is your thing, but boy they generally sucked......
Mythicspoiler has the list of the cards, but only partially.
Can anyone tell, if the rest follows soon ?
I gotta the Planeswalkers & Vehicles d:)
Would just love if Vraska did lil Pirate Tokens
So did I - you must have stopped after homelands release (or are wanting to forget Homelands was ever part of that block). Ice age and Alliances were the first two for the block and Homelands was the third. Mirage was released after Homelands. 'Alice' was probably a homebrew thing wishing Homelands never existed.
EDIT: Also - Wikipedia;
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Ice_Age_block
So it looks like I was wrong about the order, Homelands was released before Alliances - which furthers the conclusion they were all originally part of the same block.
Which is exactly what I said in the post you replied to - Homelands was so bad it was the only set to have been de-blocked.
You know nothing about me. I do what I say and I say what I do. Let me give you a couple of examples since you are such an expert of my own mind.
About 15 years ago, a local merchant screwed me over as I bought a washing machine from his store. I frequented the store quite a bit at that time. I had enough, told him he'd never see me or a dime of my money again and that I'd laugh when his practices made him go out of business. Never set foot there again and in about 5 years the guy goes out of business. Fast forward, five or more years… Local fast food restaurant takes 25 minutes on a slow day to get my son and I food, then proceeds to screw it up. I inform the manager of the piss poor practices and vow I will never go back. I don't. The place is now closed. There are a few other local and online businesses that I will not patronize because of things I have heard or friends/family that have been mistreated.
So how DARE you think you know even one flipping iota of what I do in my life. I practice what I preach and if you are too weak willed to follow through it sounds like you need to work on your own character skills. If I say these things I mean it. Don't project your problems onto me. Learn some respect and manners and act like an adult.
Now if you want to retract your earlier false statement about your mischaracterization of myself I'd gladly continue the conversation in a civil and adult manner. That's up to you. Or don't and onto my Ignore list you go. Ball is in your court.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
My apologies. I retyped my response because my intial response was too snarky. I guess the Snark was still under the porch.
I don't see them on Mythicspoiler.
In any case - right now we only have one close-up (of 6 cards) and one grainy picture of the whole sheet that's hard to make out. That 'partial list' is pretty much all the community has been able to make out.
EDIT: I found them on mythicspoiler - you have to mouse over the set name for a drop down and click 'More'.
Second, add me to the list of people that will likely not be buying anything from the new set either. I'm actually liking all these lackluster sets as it leaves more money in my pocket and I continue playing with the old cards I have.
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Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Story has nothing to do with it being a block. If you were playing a sanctioned Block constructed tournament (which were a thing at that time), it included Homelands (not that it was super relevant as there weren't many cards from Homelands people wanted and it wasn't subject to the 5-of rule that Type 2 had. I ran Serrated Arrows)
According to this page Homelands was not originally part of the block, but was ret-conned to be part of the block while it was still in Type 2 (aka Standard) when they decided all blocks would have 3 sets.
So that's now 3 sources I have linked that all say Homelands was, at one point, part of the Ice Age block.
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
EDIT: To clarify, this link basically supports both of your points.
No one is arguing that Homelands had anything to do with Ice Age story wise. What we're telling you is that your statement that Homelands was never a part of the Ice Block is wrong. Homelands was a part of the block until 2006. Not a single person played Ice Age/Alliances/Coldsnap in 1996.
You have to remember, WotC was begging to get players to buy Homelands packs. Introducing blocks and making Homelands part of it was one way to sell those boxes.
Therevs nothing wrong with looking at the set now and where it is. You just have to remember that the set has been around for twenty plus years and has had a l9ng checkered history. The DeLorean was a piece of garbage and slapping a Mr. Fusion and a Flux Capacitor into it doesn't change that.
Wait, we're calling that card good?
UR Blue-Red Control
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
UWR Jeskai Control
That's why I said in name only. It was released before alliance and wasn't added on to Ice Age block until several months after Alliance came out. It even says that it was developed as a separate expansion from Ice Age. Just because they decided to retroactively make it a part of Ice Age block in order to boost it's sale doesn't mean anything to me.
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Even the idea of blocks itself - I recall some of that sort of talk about Alliances - it being related to Ice Age I mean - and I remember it as if it was a new idea at the time. It was at least somewhat communicated - probably through one of the magazines of that period (scry, inquest, wizard etc...)
I can also give some background into my peers buying habits. We knew Homelands was crap. Ice Age was okay until the better sets came out, but in my area you could still get revised and beta boosters in a few places. Dual lands ran 10-20 bucks and there were tons of very powerful cards that could be had for relatively cheap prices. Most anyone could collect cards that are now known as vintage - and in my experience most players (at first) would rather permit the odd Juzam Djinn to be played under local house rules (or more like 1.5 rules to be accurate) than adhere to the new type 2 rules. At least in the beginning type 2 seemed to appeal more to the newest players who had missed out on revised, and I stopped playing the game before type 2 seemed relevant or even interesting.
So maybe homelands was a part of ice age, maybe it wasn't, maybe it was retconned in. But in that time when it was on the shelves it was mostly just the crappy set that people avoided.
More pathetic hand wringing and cringing have I never seen. Get over it, its a leak, it happens. We all get to check out some new cards. And honestly, wo don't owe WOTC anything. How do their boots taste? Absolutely cringeworthy.
Who knows? Maybe you get people talking about the next sets and hope for the game instead of dwelling on what has been a terrible year for WotC. You may even catch a bit of sympathy from the community for having the secrets of your future diary entry broadcast like the grainy make-out picture of Bieber and Rhianna.
All I'm saying is, there is a marketable price tag to that picture. But in a world where you need, more than anything, to change the conversation...well... maybe that cost starts to feel like a fair trade.
That just tells me you didn't play Block constructed. The store I used to play at alternated Block constructed between the two sets that were T2 legal at the time each week (Ice Age/Mirage and then Mirage/Tempest). If you didn't play Block constructed, then the fact that Homelands is legal in Ice Age block is rather moot and would have no bearing on your life.
Homelands may or may not have anything to do with the story (I didn't start following the story until Weatherlight) and it may or may not have had anything mechanically to do with the rest - but it WAS part of the block for Block Constructed purposes and that's all that matters for what that term means.
http://web.archive.org/web/19991104023126/thedojo.net/history/alicedex.html
Based on the Tournament Reports, it looks like it was the format for Pro Tour 3, and probably the associated PTQs. It wasn't some casual format, it was a real, sanctioned format. There was NEVER a sanctioned format (unless done ex-post-facto) with Ice Age/Alliances/Homelands.
Custom Set
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hu9uNBSUt92PwGhvexYlwFvsh6_SJBlEEIUV3H9_XyU/edit?usp=sharing