Well, if it's Legendary, then it might not have the Jace subtype. It would be more that the copies would have to negate to be useful.
Two things, though:
1) If it doesn't have a subtype, and existing PWs don't get errata for Legendary status, that would imply that this Jace could be played alongside other Jaces... which would allow it to represent Jace's illusion magic all the more.
2) I wonder if Commander rules will be updated to allow for Legendary PWs to be a Commander? It's a more elegant solution than the extra line of text requiring it... and allow it to be placed in non-Commander products by WotC design...
There's a redundant ability word of some sort on the green creature three to the left of the banner, but it looks like it means "This card has an ability that triggers when it is dealt damage" - in this case draw a card when it is dealt damage.
Might be "Struggle".
Emperor's Vanguard has a keyword but it's washed out in glare. The reminder text is like "Reveal... Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter... graveyard"
It may be a "Reveal top card of your library. If it matches condition, that card is cast / enters the battlefield / put in your hand. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature for (each color in its cost?) and put that card in the graveyard"
Take your screenshots and downloads now before these are gone.
I'll call it "Ixaleaks" (verbal TM, just kidding)
This smells of corporate sabotage/espionage. No way Wizards would leak this and anyone in their direct employ would know the consequences. Someone has gotten access covertly on behalf of a Hasbro/Wizards competitor to try to take the wind out of their sales during this week and for the upcoming HASCON. Wizards will be PISSED.
Actually, there are plenty of reasons for WotC to self leak this. It's called marketing. Look at all the discussion it will generate here today during announcement week when today's actual announcement was pretty tame.
If this were corporate sabotage the leaker would make sure all the images were clearly visible.
Wizards isn't going to leak a set months in advance. And yes if you are undergoing a clandestine operation you aren't going to have time to take perfect photos as someone is probably there with you. Someone has gotten access that shouldn't have. This is not a self leak.
More importantly, they wouldn't leak a set before spoiler season has started for the previous set.
Exile up to (five???) ????? creature cards from graveyards. An opponent separates those cards into two piles. Put all cards from the pile of your choice onto the battlefield under your control and the (rest??) into that (those???) owners graveyards.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Take your screenshots and downloads now before these are gone.
I'll call it "Ixaleaks" (verbal TM, just kidding)
This smells of corporate sabotage/espionage. No way Wizards would leak this and anyone in their direct employ would know the consequences. Someone has gotten access covertly on behalf of a Hasbro/Wizards competitor to try to take the wind out of their sales during this week and for the upcoming HASCON. Wizards will be PISSED.
Actually, there are plenty of reasons for WotC to self leak this. It's called marketing. Look at all the discussion it will generate here today during announcement week when today's actual announcement was pretty tame.
If this were corporate sabotage the leaker would make sure all the images were clearly visible.
Wizards isn't going to leak a set months in advance. And yes if you are undergoing a clandestine operation you aren't going to have time to take perfect photos as someone is probably there with you. Someone has gotten access that shouldn't have. This is not a self leak.
More importantly, they wouldn't leak a set before spoiler season has started for the previous set.
If it were corporate sabotage, why wouldn't they just leak the master text file that all the cards go on, before they go through the printer? it is an odd leak, not likely a corporate opponent, maybe they forgot take all the cellphones away during the printing process with a guest.
I think I see an Orc Pirate Wizard? Left of Banner...
First Dinosaurs and Pirates, and now Orcs too? I am starting to get a little to excited for Ixalan. Now all we need are dwarves and a mox and it will be a nearly perfect set.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
Monogreen Merfolk? Monowhite Vampires? Well this is...interesting.
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MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Take your screenshots and downloads now before these are gone.
I'll call it "Ixaleaks" (verbal TM, just kidding)
This smells of corporate sabotage/espionage. No way Wizards would leak this and anyone in their direct employ would know the consequences. Someone has gotten access covertly on behalf of a Hasbro/Wizards competitor to try to take the wind out of their sales during this week and for the upcoming HASCON. Wizards will be PISSED.
Actually, there are plenty of reasons for WotC to self leak this. It's called marketing. Look at all the discussion it will generate here today during announcement week when today's actual announcement was pretty tame.
If this were corporate sabotage the leaker would make sure all the images were clearly visible.
Wizards isn't going to leak a set months in advance. And yes if you are undergoing a clandestine operation you aren't going to have time to take perfect photos as someone is probably there with you. Someone has gotten access that shouldn't have. This is not a self leak.
More importantly, they wouldn't leak a set before spoiler season has started for the previous set.
If it were corporate sabotage, why wouldn't they just leak the master text file that all the cards go on, before they go through the printer? it is an odd leak, not likely a corporate opponent, maybe they forgot take all the cellphones away during the printing process with a guest.
Everything about this says self leak by WotC. Where are the new mechanics?
I'm supposed to believe that somebody secretly whipped out a cell phone to take a picture of this quickly and all they happened to get of the sheet was the part where nothing about new mechanics is revealed and they JUUUUSSST missed giving me the text for the new Jace. Yeah, right. Oh, they also showed me enough of some new answer cards as WotC said are coming and those are clear enough to read.
This is a leak designed to tamper the blow of what is going to be an underwhelming HoD. Watch...
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FREE MODERN. Break the Standard link.
I play Magic: the Gathering, not Magic: the Commandering.
Take your screenshots and downloads now before these are gone.
I'll call it "Ixaleaks" (verbal TM, just kidding)
This smells of corporate sabotage/espionage. No way Wizards would leak this and anyone in their direct employ would know the consequences. Someone has gotten access covertly on behalf of a Hasbro/Wizards competitor to try to take the wind out of their sales during this week and for the upcoming HASCON. Wizards will be PISSED.
Actually, there are plenty of reasons for WotC to self leak this. It's called marketing. Look at all the discussion it will generate here today during announcement week when today's actual announcement was pretty tame.
If this were corporate sabotage the leaker would make sure all the images were clearly visible.
Wizards isn't going to leak a set months in advance. And yes if you are undergoing a clandestine operation you aren't going to have time to take perfect photos as someone is probably there with you. Someone has gotten access that shouldn't have. This is not a self leak.
More importantly, they wouldn't leak a set before spoiler season has started for the previous set.
If it were corporate sabotage, why wouldn't they just leak the master text file that all the cards go on, before they go through the printer? it is an odd leak, not likely a corporate opponent, maybe they forgot take all the cellphones away during the printing process with a guest.
Because those types of things can be traced to the source and legal actions can be taken accordingly. This way its just, "Oh I didn't know I was supposed to check my camera before seeing these. Sorry my bad." A few months later the "guest" bank account has a lot more digits in it as they were approached beforehand by a backdoor competitor connection. This is not intentional on Wizards part, they hate this stuff. Trick Jarrett is probably crapping his pants as he has to write another "Why Leaks Hurt 3.0 article" to be posted by tomorrow.
Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
First Dinosaurs and Pirates, and now Orcs too? I am starting to get a little to excited for Ixalan. Now all we need are dwarves and a mox and it will be a nearly perfect set.
How are you excited for this set? A lot of the rares look bad. The dinosaurs aren't beast type so they don't work with the dinosaurs from Dominaria or beast tribal from back in the old days. Alot of the rares are lackluster, like when you make Heroes Downfall look too good, so you decide to reprint it at 4cmc with a silly gain 2 life tacked on. I actually am no longer thrilled about this set. Event the legend UG Merfolk doesn't seem interesting. The gatecrash one was just better.
Mark Rosewater has confirmed old cards that are obviously dinosaurs but were printed as lizards or beasts will have a subtype errata to make them into dinosaurs.
Also Hero's Downfall doesn't EXILE a creature or planeswalker.
First Dinosaurs and Pirates, and now Orcs too? I am starting to get a little to excited for Ixalan. Now all we need are dwarves and a mox and it will be a nearly perfect set.
How are you excited for this set? A lot of the rares look bad. The dinosaurs aren't beast type so they don't work with the dinosaurs from Dominaria or beast tribal from back in the old days. Alot of the rares are lackluster, like when you make Heroes Downfall look too good, so you decide to reprint it at 4cmc with a silly gain 2 life tacked on. I actually am no longer thrilled about this set. Event the legend UG Merfolk doesn't seem interesting. The gatecrash one was just better.
Mark Rosewater has confirmed old cards that are obviously dinosaurs but were printed as lizards or beasts will have a subtype errata to make them into dinosaurs.
Also Hero's Downfall doesn't EXILE a creature or planeswalker.
Well, "unexpected" Dinosaur tribal for 2017 Commander suddenly seems more legit.
First Dinosaurs and Pirates, and now Orcs too? I am starting to get a little to excited for Ixalan. Now all we need are dwarves and a mox and it will be a nearly perfect set.
How are you excited for this set? A lot of the rares look bad. The dinosaurs aren't beast type so they don't work with the dinosaurs from Dominaria or beast tribal from back in the old days. Alot of the rares are lackluster, like when you make Heroes Downfall look too good, so you decide to reprint it at 4cmc with a silly gain 2 life tacked on. I actually am no longer thrilled about this set. Event the legend UG Merfolk doesn't seem interesting. The gatecrash one was just better.
Because I have played since prior to Fallen Empires and remember the first Dinosaur that they printed (Pygmy Allosaurus), got sad when it was erratad to a lizard beast, and because WotC representatives have said that they're going to errata all the cards that should have been dinosaurs to begin with to have the right creature type again.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
Actually, there are plenty of reasons for WotC to self leak this. It's called marketing. Look at all the discussion it will generate here today during announcement week when today's actual announcement was pretty tame.
If this were corporate sabotage the leaker would make sure all the images were clearly visible.
Wizards isn't going to leak a set months in advance. And yes if you are undergoing a clandestine operation you aren't going to have time to take perfect photos as someone is probably there with you. Someone has gotten access that shouldn't have. This is not a self leak.
More importantly, they wouldn't leak a set before spoiler season has started for the previous set.
If it were corporate sabotage, why wouldn't they just leak the master text file that all the cards go on, before they go through the printer? it is an odd leak, not likely a corporate opponent, maybe they forgot take all the cellphones away during the printing process with a guest.
Everything about this says self leak by WotC. Where are the new mechanics?
I'm supposed to believe that somebody secretly whipped out a cell phone to take a picture of this quickly and all they happened to get of the sheet was the part where nothing about new mechanics is revealed and they JUUUUSSST missed giving me the text for the new Jace. Yeah, right. Oh, they also showed me enough of some new answer cards as WotC said are coming and those are clear enough to read.
This is a leak designed to tamper the blow of what is going to be an underwhelming HoD. Watch...
You don't leak future product when you are about to release new product. Its like an automaker showing you the 2020 models before the 2018 models hit the showroom. Or a cell phone maker showing you hints of Smartphone 8.0 when Smartphone 7.0 is going to be shown this very week. Nobody in Wizards/Hasbro is going to do that, its stupid marketing. This is unintentional at best and sabotage at worst. Self leaked is absurd.
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Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
PleasepleasepleasePLEASE let that Jace ultimate be usable immediately with Doubling Season-
I *need* to win a game with an arbitrarily large army of Jace clones.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
This sucks. Not the cards, that I rather not see in detail, but the leaks. So many cards leaked, in such bad quality, just before spoiler season of the earlier set. Months in advance... Come on!
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Before the glory of Yawgmoth, yes, even this makes sense.
Hostsage Taker 2UB
Creature — Human Pirate (rare)
When ~ ETBs, exile target artifact or creature until ~ leaves the battlefield. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any type to cast that spell.
¿2/3?
I am getting an "Average cost of these rares is visibly higher than a typical set's average-cost rare" vibe though. So many things costing 5-6-7 mana. Which is making me think it's planned to be another slow slugfest environment.
Can see only Raid and Treasure tokens.
Two things, though:
1) If it doesn't have a subtype, and existing PWs don't get errata for Legendary status, that would imply that this Jace could be played alongside other Jaces... which would allow it to represent Jace's illusion magic all the more.
2) I wonder if Commander rules will be updated to allow for Legendary PWs to be a Commander? It's a more elegant solution than the extra line of text requiring it... and allow it to be placed in non-Commander products by WotC design...
There's a redundant ability word of some sort on the green creature three to the left of the banner, but it looks like it means "This card has an ability that triggers when it is dealt damage" - in this case draw a card when it is dealt damage.
Might be "Struggle".
Emperor's Vanguard has a keyword but it's washed out in glare. The reminder text is like "Reveal... Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter... graveyard"
It may be a "Reveal top card of your library. If it matches condition, that card is cast / enters the battlefield / put in your hand. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature for (each color in its cost?) and put that card in the graveyard"
More importantly, they wouldn't leak a set before spoiler season has started for the previous set.
????? ?????? (5?)BB
Sorcery
Exile up to (five???) ????? creature cards from graveyards. An opponent separates those cards into two piles. Put all cards from the pile of your choice onto the battlefield under your control and the (rest??) into that (those???) owners graveyards.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
If it were corporate sabotage, why wouldn't they just leak the master text file that all the cards go on, before they go through the printer? it is an odd leak, not likely a corporate opponent, maybe they forgot take all the cellphones away during the printing process with a guest.
*snicker*
I can't wait to make "I'm on a boat" jokes when Ixalan rolls around.
First Dinosaurs and Pirates, and now Orcs too? I am starting to get a little to excited for Ixalan. Now all we need are dwarves and a mox and it will be a nearly perfect set.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Everything about this says self leak by WotC. Where are the new mechanics?
I'm supposed to believe that somebody secretly whipped out a cell phone to take a picture of this quickly and all they happened to get of the sheet was the part where nothing about new mechanics is revealed and they JUUUUSSST missed giving me the text for the new Jace. Yeah, right. Oh, they also showed me enough of some new answer cards as WotC said are coming and those are clear enough to read.
This is a leak designed to tamper the blow of what is going to be an underwhelming HoD. Watch...
I play Magic: the Gathering, not Magic: the Commandering.
Because those types of things can be traced to the source and legal actions can be taken accordingly. This way its just, "Oh I didn't know I was supposed to check my camera before seeing these. Sorry my bad." A few months later the "guest" bank account has a lot more digits in it as they were approached beforehand by a backdoor competitor connection. This is not intentional on Wizards part, they hate this stuff. Trick Jarrett is probably crapping his pants as he has to write another "Why Leaks Hurt 3.0 article" to be posted by tomorrow.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Standard Decks:
Dinosaurs
Aggro Retired
Aggro Retired
Tokens Retired
Temur White Retired
Dragons Retired
Monsters Retired
Aggro Retired
Midrange Retired
Zombies Retired
Also Hero's Downfall doesn't EXILE a creature or planeswalker.
Prime Speaker Zegana?
Clearly 3RG because 1RG for 4/4 body and haste for all Dinosaurs is too much.
Well, "unexpected" Dinosaur tribal for 2017 Commander suddenly seems more legit.
Because I have played since prior to Fallen Empires and remember the first Dinosaur that they printed (Pygmy Allosaurus), got sad when it was erratad to a lizard beast, and because WotC representatives have said that they're going to errata all the cards that should have been dinosaurs to begin with to have the right creature type again.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
Pascite draconem, evolvite aut morimini.
That's what happens when you run on negativity fumes.
I'm not saying that Ixalan will be epic quality, but this doesn't come across to me as BFZ-tier terrible.
You don't leak future product when you are about to release new product. Its like an automaker showing you the 2020 models before the 2018 models hit the showroom. Or a cell phone maker showing you hints of Smartphone 8.0 when Smartphone 7.0 is going to be shown this very week. Nobody in Wizards/Hasbro is going to do that, its stupid marketing. This is unintentional at best and sabotage at worst. Self leaked is absurd.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
I *need* to win a game with an arbitrarily large army of Jace clones.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Before the glory of Yawgmoth, yes, even this makes sense.
The Deep Ones
Cyborg Huey's Bosh, Iron Golem Deck
Cyborg Huey's Rosheen Meander Deck
BUGThe Dunwich Horror and Other Lovecraftian TalesBUG
Where do you see the Raid mechanic?
On black Orc Pirate - I mentioned this before in this thread.