I just hope that once the last unset is released and Oracle is updated for the rest of the silver-bordered cards, some of the more useful cards are not banned for commander - especially the cards that work with teamwork like Checks and Balances, Get a Life, Organ Harvest, and Team Spirit.
Those are all going to be banned in Commander, regardless of Oracle updates. Or rather, they aren't, because they don't even have to be banned in the first place - silver-border cards aren't legal in any constructed format. Silver border cards are, and always have been, effectively outside of Magic's card pool, in the same way that a 3rd party parody of MTG would be outside of the actual card pool; the only difference is that Un-Sets and other silver-border cards are 1st party parodies.
You are free to house-rule them in, but they are never going to be part of the Vintage card pool anymore than a custom fan-created set of cards would be, so they are never going to be legal in Commander, regardless of how well they function within the rules.
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2. He knows when you're awake.
3. And he knows when you've been bad or good.
(Secretly glad that we have a real design team for Unstable and not just fan submissions to beat me into submission...)
Edit: As a side note, those that love the tongue in cheek humor that is Unhinged, look for a board game called Millennium Blades by Level 99 games. It has alot of tongue in cheek humor and even has a JTMS parody called: Chase the Price Sculptor. Additionally, my Avatar is a cropped image from an upcoming promo expansion for the game that has a MtG nod set complete with Chaos Orb nod (Avatar).
As someone who plays Millennium Blades with his friends very regularly, I can confirm that it is a great game.
The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
@GildanBladeborn - I'm not looking to reopen the debate on the legality of Un- cards in constructed decks, but I am obligated to post the following:
-Silver bordered (Un-) cards are NOT illegal for deck construction. Nowhere in the rules does it state that you can't use silver bordered cards in deck construction.
-It is only in the TOURNAMENT DOCUMENT that it states that you aren't allowed to use silver bordered cards in (insert format here.)
-With the above valid statements, you don't have to "house rule them in." In fact, most people have "house ruled them out" by default, opting instead to conform to a particular format as outlined in the tournament document. This is why you have to get your group's consent before bringing silver bordered wackiness to the table.
-Lastly, consider this: why even would the product exist if it was intended to be "banned in constructed" as you put it? Surely if it was intended as a joke, Wizards could have picked a cheaper one than mass producing a set of "unplayable cards?"
@Stoogeslap, @Ryperior74 - Yes there have been 7 spoilers to date. The five basic lands, Steamflogger Boss, and Sword of Dungeons & Dragons (and ONLY Sword of D&D). The HASCON exclusives of Nerf War and Grimlock are not Not NOT going to be "product placement" cards in Unstable. (Not that I wouldn't be happy for them) and the ONLY black bordered cards in this set will be the BASIC LANDS and STEAMFLOGGER BOSS. Nothing else.
And the reason that he is black bordered is because he was already printed with a black bordered card in future sight. This is also why you won't see any "silver bordered storm crows, squires, tibalts, etc." If it's been done in black border it must STAY in black border. Otherwise people have sh*fits about the "legality of silver bordered in constructed formats."
Edit: One last bit of info I left out: according to Maro, since the Steamflogger Boss and basic lands occupy the same sheet/slot that you will occasionally get a Steamflogger Boss in place of a basic land.
Yeah I guess they wanted it before thanksgiving I'm surprised because next week is Iconic Masters figured they'd want bring back the focus to that. I'll change that thread
I just need someone to clarify one thing for me. Can reserve list cards be printed with silver borders and not violate their policy since they are not tournament legal? They would be glorifed proxies at a kitchen table matchup
I'm excited about this Un-set mainly because of draft design compared to previous Un-sets.
Contraptions will probably be something like cards printed and different angles that you stack one to each other or so, a bit like the Meld cards.Or even dotted cards you can rip in pieces, like vouchers etc.
I just need someone to clarify one thing for me. Can reserve list cards be printed with silver borders and not violate their policy since they are not tournament legal? They would be glorifed proxies at a kitchen table matchup
I'm excited about this Un-set mainly because of draft design compared to previous Un-sets.
Back in the early 2000's they printed various reserve list cards with gold boarders. Before that, they printed all the Power 9 and Dual lands with gold boarders on the back of the card (along with "Collectors/International Edition" on the back and square corners). Years later they printed reserved list cards under a loophole that allowed them to print the cards as Judge promos and other specialty products. However, this loophole was closed a number of years ago.
But, I don't know if the closing of the loophole for promo cards effects the printing of non-tournament legal cards. Because the first two examples were the printing of non-tournament legal cards, the judge promos on the other hand were legal for tournament play.
Long story short, I think they can still print cards in gold/silver boarders that are on the reserved list.
Here's one of the gold boardered reserved list cards.
I just need someone to clarify one thing for me. Can reserve list cards be printed with silver borders and not violate their policy since they are not tournament legal? They would be glorifed proxies at a kitchen table matchup
I'm excited about this Un-set mainly because of draft design compared to previous Un-sets.
Back in the early 2000's they printed various reserve list cards with gold boarders. Before that, they printed all the Power 9 and Dual lands with gold boarders on the back of the card (along with "Collectors/International Edition" on the back and square corners). Years later they printed reserved list cards under a loophole that allowed them to print the cards as Judge promos and other specialty products. However, this loophole was closed a number of years ago.
But, I don't know if the closing of the loophole for promo cards effects the printing of non-tournament legal cards. Because the first two examples were the printing of non-tournament legal cards, the judge promos on the other hand were legal for tournament play.
Long story short, I think they can still print cards in gold/silver boarders that are on the reserved list.
Here's one of the gold boardered reserved list cards.
My guess is that they technically can, but they don´t want to because it probably feels too close for comfort, and they don´t want to risk causing an uproar and then have to backpedal again like they did with the FTV and promo cards. The reserved list is a topic they´d rather not bring up, and printing proxies of reserved list cards does exactly that.
That said, I wish they would, because 15-proxy Vintage is a thing where I live, and having official, easily identifiable, widely available proxies would be very cool to avoid sharpied card backs and terrible inkjet inserts.
I just need someone to clarify one thing for me. Can reserve list cards be printed with silver borders and not violate their policy since they are not tournament legal? They would be glorifed proxies at a kitchen table matchup
I'm excited about this Un-set mainly because of draft design compared to previous Un-sets.
Back in the early 2000's they printed various reserve list cards with gold boarders. Before that, they printed all the Power 9 and Dual lands with gold boarders on the back of the card (along with "Collectors/International Edition" on the back and square corners). Years later they printed reserved list cards under a loophole that allowed them to print the cards as Judge promos and other specialty products. However, this loophole was closed a number of years ago.
But, I don't know if the closing of the loophole for promo cards effects the printing of non-tournament legal cards. Because the first two examples were the printing of non-tournament legal cards, the judge promos on the other hand were legal for tournament play.
Long story short, I think they can still print cards in gold/silver boarders that are on the reserved list.
Here's one of the gold boardered reserved list cards.
My guess is that they technically can, but they don´t want to because it probably feels too close for comfort, and they don´t want to risk causing an uproar and then have to backpedal again like they did with the FTV and promo cards. The reserved list is a topic they´d rather not bring up, and printing proxies of reserved list cards does exactly that.
That said, I wish they would, because 15-proxy Vintage is a thing where I live, and having official, easily identifiable, widely available proxies would be very cool to avoid sharpied card backs and terrible inkjet inserts.
Maro answered this on his blog:
about9spiders asked: Would a silver-border reprinting ala Un3 allow reserved list cards? Or even say, a card sticker in un packs of famous cards?
Y'all should get used to the fact that the reserved list is going to stay. And I'm pretty sure that even if there was some loop hole, they wouldn't use it.
We aren't talking about removing it, so there's nothing to get used to. While it would seem that different boarder cards don't violate the RL, they do violate the spirit of it.
Y'all should get used to the fact that the reserved list is going to stay. And I'm pretty sure that even if there was some loop hole, they wouldn't use it.
I'm not saying to get rid of it, but this is exactly the confirmation I was looking for regarding silver borders because I did not know since I don't play in tournaments and would be nice to play with visually appealing reserved list proxies with a casual group.
Regarding the whole "Would they print reserved list cards in silver-border" debate - Silver border has never (to my knowledge) been used to reprint a card that was originally black bordered. Un-sets print original, non-tournament legal cards with silver borders; in the case of basic lands and Steamflogger Boss, all reprints and tournament-legal, they use a black border even for the Un-printing.
Gold border is an entirely different story, unrelated to silver border. Gold border cards do not have a traditional Magic back and were in preconstructed decks cloning some World Championship deck.
How can you possibly get the contraptions for a limited game if it works like meld.
I think on Drive to Work Mark mentioned something about how card collating technology had improved to the point where they could (more or less) guarantee cards appear together in packs. Maybe every pack with a rigger will have a related contraption in the pack, or the contraptions will have their own slot in the pack.
You are free to house-rule them in, but they are never going to be part of the Vintage card pool anymore than a custom fan-created set of cards would be, so they are never going to be legal in Commander, regardless of how well they function within the rules.
1. He knows when you are sleeping.
2. He knows when you're awake.
3. And he knows when you've been bad or good.
just OMG, John Avon strike again ! I need 10 foils of each !
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As someone who plays Millennium Blades with his friends very regularly, I can confirm that it is a great game.
Just straight up reprint Tibalt with a silverborder
Previews start next week...
I am excited!
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Oh cool can't wait to seem them
Heard a rumor besides the lands (assuming) are going to be couple more black bordered cards besides steamflogger boss
-Silver bordered (Un-) cards are NOT illegal for deck construction. Nowhere in the rules does it state that you can't use silver bordered cards in deck construction.
-It is only in the TOURNAMENT DOCUMENT that it states that you aren't allowed to use silver bordered cards in (insert format here.)
-With the above valid statements, you don't have to "house rule them in." In fact, most people have "house ruled them out" by default, opting instead to conform to a particular format as outlined in the tournament document. This is why you have to get your group's consent before bringing silver bordered wackiness to the table.
-Lastly, consider this: why even would the product exist if it was intended to be "banned in constructed" as you put it? Surely if it was intended as a joke, Wizards could have picked a cheaper one than mass producing a set of "unplayable cards?"
@Stoogeslap, @Ryperior74 - Yes there have been 7 spoilers to date. The five basic lands, Steamflogger Boss, and Sword of Dungeons & Dragons (and ONLY Sword of D&D). The HASCON exclusives of Nerf War and Grimlock are not Not NOT going to be "product placement" cards in Unstable. (Not that I wouldn't be happy for them) and the ONLY black bordered cards in this set will be the BASIC LANDS and STEAMFLOGGER BOSS. Nothing else.
And the reason that he is black bordered is because he was already printed with a black bordered card in future sight. This is also why you won't see any "silver bordered storm crows, squires, tibalts, etc." If it's been done in black border it must STAY in black border. Otherwise people have sh*fits about the "legality of silver bordered in constructed formats."
Edit: One last bit of info I left out: according to Maro, since the Steamflogger Boss and basic lands occupy the same sheet/slot that you will occasionally get a Steamflogger Boss in place of a basic land.
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Yeah, I said the 13th and that's what also in the video. But from this thread it says it will start on the 27th. http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/673776-schedule-of-upcoming-releases-and-spoiler-seasons
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I'm excited about this Un-set mainly because of draft design compared to previous Un-sets.
Back in the early 2000's they printed various reserve list cards with gold boarders. Before that, they printed all the Power 9 and Dual lands with gold boarders on the back of the card (along with "Collectors/International Edition" on the back and square corners). Years later they printed reserved list cards under a loophole that allowed them to print the cards as Judge promos and other specialty products. However, this loophole was closed a number of years ago.
But, I don't know if the closing of the loophole for promo cards effects the printing of non-tournament legal cards. Because the first two examples were the printing of non-tournament legal cards, the judge promos on the other hand were legal for tournament play.
Long story short, I think they can still print cards in gold/silver boarders that are on the reserved list.
Here's one of the gold boardered reserved list cards.
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
That said, I wish they would, because 15-proxy Vintage is a thing where I live, and having official, easily identifiable, widely available proxies would be very cool to avoid sharpied card backs and terrible inkjet inserts.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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We aren't talking about removing it, so there's nothing to get used to. While it would seem that different boarder cards don't violate the RL, they do violate the spirit of it.
BUWGRChilds PlayGRWUB
BUWGR Highlander GRWUB
UBSquee's Shapeshifting PetBU
BW Multiplayer Control WB
RG Changeling GR
UR Mana FlareRU
UMerfolkU
B MBMC B
I'm not saying to get rid of it, but this is exactly the confirmation I was looking for regarding silver borders because I did not know since I don't play in tournaments and would be nice to play with visually appealing reserved list proxies with a casual group.
Gold border is an entirely different story, unrelated to silver border. Gold border cards do not have a traditional Magic back and were in preconstructed decks cloning some World Championship deck.
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It's unknown as of now but I would assume they will continue along this trend.
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By what I'm seeing
How can you possibly get the contraptions for a limited game if it works like meld.
I think on Drive to Work Mark mentioned something about how card collating technology had improved to the point where they could (more or less) guarantee cards appear together in packs. Maybe every pack with a rigger will have a related contraption in the pack, or the contraptions will have their own slot in the pack.