I'm expecting descendants for Captain Sisay and Tahngarth, either a reprint of Squee, Goblin Nabob or a new card for him, a new Jhoira card, and some throwbacks to the Weatherlight and Coalition. How cool would it be to see memorials for Gerrard, Hanna, Mirri, Eladamri, and other heroes who died fighting for Dominaria? I'm picturing a Coalition Monument legendary artifact that basically does for creatures what Chromatic Lantern does for lands. Maybe when you cast a spell, you gain life equal to that spell's colors?
A new Karn PW card is a must; he can reunite with Jhoira and Squee. Teferi surrendered his spark to seal one of the rifts, so he could get a new legendary card as well.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I'm expecting descendants for Captain Sisay and Tahngarth, either a reprint of Squee, Goblin Nabob or a new card for him, a new Jhoira card, and some throwbacks to the Weatherlight and Coalition. How cool would it be to see memorials for Gerrard, Hanna, Mirri, Eladamri, and other heroes who died fighting for Dominaria? I'm picturing a Coalition Monument legendary artifact that basically does for creatures what Chromatic Lantern does for lands. Maybe when you cast a spell, you gain life equal to that spell's colors?
A new Karn PW card is a must; he can reunite with Jhoira and Squee. Teferi surrendered his spark to seal one of the rifts, so he could get a new legendary card as well.
Gerrard was a tool. Literally. Specifically he was a tool for Urza to get revenge on Phyrexia. Anyway, back on topic. It is possible for planeswalkers who have lost their spark to either get a new one or "reignite". I for one would not mind a neo-walker Teferi.
A few days ago, well yesterday actually, someone asked MaRo which we were more likely to see first, a four or five color planeswalker. MaRo being coy as always said, and I quote
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I’ll just say I know the answer. : )
, assuming it isn't Urza's Severed Head in the new Un-set, I hope we get a resurrected Taysir in Dominaria. There is precedent with him after all, he still has three lives to go through, and he still has a grand destiny to achieve (as he was told by the Anaba Shamans the last time he came back).
I know the general sentiment is that the Gatewatch characters would detract from a set placed in Dominaria. While I understand the trepidation, I would actually enjoy Gideon meeting the heroes of Benalia. Or Nissa learning the secrets of Yavimaya from the like of Kaysa. Let Chandra chill with the Balduvian Horde and Jace and expand on temporal magic in Zhalfir. Give Liliana some quality time with The Order of the Ebon Hand.
It would be an opportunity, maybe the only one, to integrate the modern story elements with the rich history that came before it. Maybe it bridges to the future that way as well. If you're having trouble with a certain Elder Dragon, maybe recruiting a genius like Chromium or a fighting force like Palladia-Mors could turn the odds in your favor?
I know this isn't going to be a popular sentiment. And I get it. It would be easy for over-represented marketing devices to muddy the otherwise pristine waters of nostalgia. The thing is, I already have the nostalgia. I've seen the Order of Leitbur charge across the plains and watched the darkness rise from Lake of the Dead. I've watched Natural Balance remake the landscape and seen Ball Lightning scorch everything in its path. I've seen power that was never meant to be flow from the Tolarian Academy.
What I haven't seen is a real, tangible, bridge connecting those wonderful memories of where the game has been to the future it wants to create. This could be the chance for that. Perhaps the only chance for that.
Dude! They could totally use Jamuraa, Teferi's homeland. It mysteriously phases back into existence and now they get to interact with the other denizens of Dominaria. The Jamuraa people would be naive and ignorant to the events going on since their continent got phased out of time and space, as they weren't exactly present for the events that took place in Odyssey & Onslaught and also with the events of Time Spiral. Their culture would be relatively untouched, like how they were in the Mirage block and now they must adapt and be in conflict with the surrounding continents that have changed much since their absence.
As for what else I want to see, I want to see Squee again with a new legendary card. I also want to see a mono- legendary that makes creatures into sheep permanently like with Ovinomancer, minus "can't be regenerated" of course.
Taysir of Rabiah, he would be one of the very few planeswalkers I would actually be cool with being five colored. Him being resurrected for a third time I actually don't mind as krishnath mentioned he still has three lives left. Grand destiny? Well with the current state of things, stop New Phyrexia and also help thwart Nicol Bolas could be part of that destiny.
Neo-walker Teferi would be fine with me. Its still him being bumped down from "all powerful god" to "powerful mage". As with him being very skilled at time magic, I'm sure he is still alive. Him being a creature was just a temporary weakened state.
I know the general sentiment is that the Gatewatch characters would detract from a set placed in Dominaria. While I understand the trepidation, I would actually enjoy Gideon meeting the heroes of Benalia. Or Nissa learning the secrets of Yavimaya from the like of Kaysa. Let Chandra chill with the Balduvian Horde and Jace and expand on temporal magic in Zhalfir. Give Liliana some quality time with The Order of the Ebon Hand.
It would be an opportunity, maybe the only one, to integrate the modern story elements with the rich history that came before it. Maybe it bridges to the future that way as well. If you're having trouble with a certain Elder Dragon, maybe recruiting a genius like Chromium or a fighting force like Palladia-Mors could turn the odds in your favor?
I know this isn't going to be a popular sentiment. And I get it. It would be easy for over-represented marketing devices to muddy the otherwise pristine waters of nostalgia. The thing is, I already have the nostalgia. I've seen the Order of Leitbur charge across the plains and watched the darkness rise from Lake of the Dead. I've watched Natural Balance remake the landscape and seen Ball Lightning scorch everything in its path. I've seen power that was never meant to be flow from the Tolarian Academy.
What I haven't seen is a real, tangible, bridge connecting those wonderful memories of where the game has been to the future it wants to create. This could be the chance for that. Perhaps the only chance for that.
I concur. I'm imagining Gideon gazing at a statue of Gerrard Capashen and reflecting on the story of the Weatherlight crew and the Coalition. Maybe at the end of the story Gideon delivers an inspiring speech to the allies Ajani gathers, using the Coalition as an example of strength through diversity and unity. Then his GW comrades each in turn contribute to the speech.
Once the GW accumulates enough members, I'd love a cycle of enchantments called Gatherings to follow up the Oaths, representing groups of Planeswalkers gathering and combining their strength.
Gathering of Virtue
Gathering of Mind
Gathering of Ambition
Gathering of Heart
Gathering of Life
And hey, what if there was a WUBRG enchantment called Gathering of Magic? Make it a wincon tied to controlling planeswalkers of each color.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
If the Soul of Dominaria could speak, oh the stories it could tell Nissa. I imagine its voice being slow, speaking with weariness and sounding older than any plane that she had spoke to previously.
If she talks about Nicol Bolas and how he devastated Amonkhet, Dominaria would laugh heartily and remark how it sounds like he is trying to be a big fish in a small pond. Nissa would become confused and a bit frustrated as she questions Dominaria further. Dominaria would reply how Nicol Bolas is crafty, but it has known of planeswalkers just as powerful as him if not more so who have died on it.
It would give Nissa directions to Yavimaya so she may speak with Multani who has recently reformed after the events of the mending. Multani would serve as a mentor of sorts to Nissa, as while he may not be a planeswalker he is very powerful, arguably more so than Nissa at the peak of her power.
Eventually she would be sent on her way and she would encounter Teferi who although he may not seem it, he is a very crafty planeswalker who knows much of what it was like before the mending.
If the Soul of Dominaria could speak, oh the stories it could tell Nissa.
Nissa: "Greetings, Worldsoul. What can you tell me about this plane?"
Dominaria: "Are you...are you a..." (shudders) "...planeswalker?"
Nissa: "Yes. Is that --"
Dominaria: "AGGGGGGGH GET IT OFF ME GET IT OFF ME GET IT OFF ME GET IT OFF ME"
Nissa: "Have you...um, had some kind of bad experience with our kind before?"
Dominaria: "GIRL"
Nissa: "Y...yes?"
Dominaria: "Here's $100. Don't talk to me again unless you planeswalk to a liquor store first."
I know the general sentiment is that the Gatewatch characters would detract from a set placed in Dominaria. While I understand the trepidation, I would actually enjoy Gideon meeting the heroes of Benalia. Or Nissa learning the secrets of Yavimaya from the like of Kaysa. Let Chandra chill with the Balduvian Horde and Jace and expand on temporal magic in Zhalfir. Give Liliana some quality time with The Order of the Ebon Hand.
It would be an opportunity, maybe the only one, to integrate the modern story elements with the rich history that came before it. Maybe it bridges to the future that way as well. If you're having trouble with a certain Elder Dragon, maybe recruiting a genius like Chromium or a fighting force like Palladia-Mors could turn the odds in your favor?
I know this isn't going to be a popular sentiment. And I get it. It would be easy for over-represented marketing devices to muddy the otherwise pristine waters of nostalgia. The thing is, I already have the nostalgia. I've seen the Order of Leitbur charge across the plains and watched the darkness rise from Lake of the Dead. I've watched Natural Balance remake the landscape and seen Ball Lightning scorch everything in its path. I've seen power that was never meant to be flow from the Tolarian Academy.
What I haven't seen is a real, tangible, bridge connecting those wonderful memories of where the game has been to the future it wants to create. This could be the chance for that. Perhaps the only chance for that.
Each of the people (and dragons) you've mentioned have been dead and gone for millennia, except for possibly the Order of the Ebon Hand. Each of the places you mentioned have been gone for at least as long.
Dude! They could totally use Jamuraa, Teferi's homeland. It mysteriously phases back into existence and now they get to interact with the other denizens of Dominaria. The Jamuraa people would be naive and ignorant to the events going on since their continent got phased out of time and space, as they weren't exactly present for the events that took place in Odyssey & Onslaught and also with the events of Time Spiral. Their culture would be relatively untouched, like how they were in the Mirage block and now they must adapt and be in conflict with the surrounding continents that have changed much since their absence.
As for what else I want to see, I want to see Squee again with a new legendary card. I also want to see a mono- legendary that makes creatures into sheep permanently like with Ovinomancer, minus "can't be regenerated" of course.
Taysir of Rabiah, he would be one of the very few planeswalkers I would actually be cool with being five colored. Him being resurrected for a third time I actually don't mind as krishnath mentioned he still has three lives left. Grand destiny? Well with the current state of things, stop New Phyrexia and also help thwart Nicol Bolas could be part of that destiny.
Neo-walker Teferi would be fine with me. Its still him being bumped down from "all powerful god" to "powerful mage". As with him being very skilled at time magic, I'm sure he is still alive. Him being a creature was just a temporary weakened state.
Teferi's homeland no longer exists, specifically the nation of Zhalfir. He had to chose between returning it or Shiv during Time Spiral, and he chose Shiv.
If the Soul of Dominaria could speak, oh the stories it could tell Nissa. I imagine its voice being slow, speaking with weariness and sounding older than any plane that she had spoke to previously.
If she talks about Nicol Bolas and how he devastated Amonkhet, Dominaria would laugh heartily and remark how it sounds like he is trying to be a big fish in a small pond. Nissa would become confused and a bit frustrated as she questions Dominaria further. Dominaria would reply how Nicol Bolas is crafty, but it has known of planeswalkers just as powerful as him if not more so who have died on it.
It would give Nissa directions to Yavimaya so she may speak with Multani who has recently reformed after the events of the mending. Multani would serve as a mentor of sorts to Nissa, as while he may not be a planeswalker he is very powerful, arguably more so than Nissa at the peak of her power.
Eventually she would be sent on her way and she would encounter Teferi who although he may not seem it, he is a very crafty planeswalker who knows much of what it was like before the mending.
Dominaria's World Soul can speak, it usually does it through Maro-Sorcerers. (Multani, Molimo, Titania)
Basically each major forest on Dominaria has a Maro-Sorcerer.
I have a theory that Jolrael may have turned into one as she is ageless and lives in the MWonvuli Jungle, one of the largest still standing forests in Dominaria. By the time of the Mirage storyline, she was already hundreds of years old and still looked like a woman in her late twenties. And since she was neither undead nor a planeswalker...
And speaking of forests, Llanowar should have recovered by now, as should Yavimaya and Havenwood. And the elves of Skyshroud have moved into Keld and mixed with the population there. I hope that the time displaced Thelon has moved into the remains of Havenwood and established a new elven nation there. It'd be nice.
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I know the general sentiment is that the Gatewatch characters would detract from a set placed in Dominaria. While I understand the trepidation, I would actually enjoy Gideon meeting the heroes of Benalia. Or Nissa learning the secrets of Yavimaya from the like of Kaysa. Let Chandra chill with the Balduvian Horde and Jace and expand on temporal magic in Zhalfir. Give Liliana some quality time with The Order of the Ebon Hand.
It would be an opportunity, maybe the only one, to integrate the modern story elements with the rich history that came before it. Maybe it bridges to the future that way as well. If you're having trouble with a certain Elder Dragon, maybe recruiting a genius like Chromium or a fighting force like Palladia-Mors could turn the odds in your favor?
I know this isn't going to be a popular sentiment. And I get it. It would be easy for over-represented marketing devices to muddy the otherwise pristine waters of nostalgia. The thing is, I already have the nostalgia. I've seen the Order of Leitbur charge across the plains and watched the darkness rise from Lake of the Dead. I've watched Natural Balance remake the landscape and seen Ball Lightning scorch everything in its path. I've seen power that was never meant to be flow from the Tolarian Academy.
What I haven't seen is a real, tangible, bridge connecting those wonderful memories of where the game has been to the future it wants to create. This could be the chance for that. Perhaps the only chance for that.
Each of the people (and dragons) you've mentioned have been dead and gone for millennia, except for possibly the Order of the Ebon Hand. Each of the places you mentioned have been gone for at least as long.
Dude! They could totally use Jamuraa, Teferi's homeland. It mysteriously phases back into existence and now they get to interact with the other denizens of Dominaria. The Jamuraa people would be naive and ignorant to the events going on since their continent got phased out of time and space, as they weren't exactly present for the events that took place in Odyssey & Onslaught and also with the events of Time Spiral. Their culture would be relatively untouched, like how they were in the Mirage block and now they must adapt and be in conflict with the surrounding continents that have changed much since their absence.
As for what else I want to see, I want to see Squee again with a new legendary card. I also want to see a mono- legendary that makes creatures into sheep permanently like with Ovinomancer, minus "can't be regenerated" of course.
Taysir of Rabiah, he would be one of the very few planeswalkers I would actually be cool with being five colored. Him being resurrected for a third time I actually don't mind as krishnath mentioned he still has three lives left. Grand destiny? Well with the current state of things, stop New Phyrexia and also help thwart Nicol Bolas could be part of that destiny.
Neo-walker Teferi would be fine with me. Its still him being bumped down from "all powerful god" to "powerful mage". As with him being very skilled at time magic, I'm sure he is still alive. Him being a creature was just a temporary weakened state.
Teferi's homeland no longer exists, specifically the nation of Zhalfir. He had to chose between returning it or Shiv during Time Spiral, and he chose Shiv.
If the Soul of Dominaria could speak, oh the stories it could tell Nissa. I imagine its voice being slow, speaking with weariness and sounding older than any plane that she had spoke to previously.
If she talks about Nicol Bolas and how he devastated Amonkhet, Dominaria would laugh heartily and remark how it sounds like he is trying to be a big fish in a small pond. Nissa would become confused and a bit frustrated as she questions Dominaria further. Dominaria would reply how Nicol Bolas is crafty, but it has known of planeswalkers just as powerful as him if not more so who have died on it.
It would give Nissa directions to Yavimaya so she may speak with Multani who has recently reformed after the events of the mending. Multani would serve as a mentor of sorts to Nissa, as while he may not be a planeswalker he is very powerful, arguably more so than Nissa at the peak of her power.
Eventually she would be sent on her way and she would encounter Teferi who although he may not seem it, he is a very crafty planeswalker who knows much of what it was like before the mending.
Dominaria's World Soul can speak, it usually does it through Maro-Sorcerers. (Multani, Molimo, Titania)
Basically each major forest on Dominaria has a Maro-Sorcerer.
I have a theory that Jolrael may have turned into one as she is ageless and lives in the MWonvuli Jungle, one of the largest still standing forests in Dominaria. By the time of the Mirage storyline, she was already hundreds of years old and still looked like a woman in her late twenties. And since she was neither undead nor a planeswalker...
And speaking of forests, Llanowar should have recovered by now, as should Yavimaya and Havenwood. And the elves of Skyshroud have moved into Keld and mixed with the population there. I hope that the time displaced Thelon has moved into the remains of Havenwood and established a new elven nation there. It'd be nice.
Okay. Sure. But the presence or absence of specific places or things doesn't matter to me or the point I was trying to make. If it needs to be Skyshroud, that's fine. I can tell you what the rain tastes like there. Shiv? I still remember how thin the air gets on those mountaintops. Keld? I've probably got kids I never knew running amok there. The exact places and personalities involved doesn't matter. The opportunity to connect where our journey has taken us to where it all started does.
I applaud your vorthosian knowledge. It takes dedication to compile that sort of data. However, I feel like it created a 'can't see the forest for the trees' moment. Whatever relics of the past remain is of far less consequence to me than the gift of connecting our current, and future, plot devices with the bedrock of the game they now shepherd.
I know the general sentiment is that the Gatewatch characters would detract from a set placed in Dominaria. While I understand the trepidation, I would actually enjoy Gideon meeting the heroes of Benalia. Or Nissa learning the secrets of Yavimaya from the like of Kaysa. Let Chandra chill with the Balduvian Horde and Jace and expand on temporal magic in Zhalfir. Give Liliana some quality time with The Order of the Ebon Hand.
It would be an opportunity, maybe the only one, to integrate the modern story elements with the rich history that came before it. Maybe it bridges to the future that way as well. If you're having trouble with a certain Elder Dragon, maybe recruiting a genius like Chromium or a fighting force like Palladia-Mors could turn the odds in your favor?
I know this isn't going to be a popular sentiment. And I get it. It would be easy for over-represented marketing devices to muddy the otherwise pristine waters of nostalgia. The thing is, I already have the nostalgia. I've seen the Order of Leitbur charge across the plains and watched the darkness rise from Lake of the Dead. I've watched Natural Balance remake the landscape and seen Ball Lightning scorch everything in its path. I've seen power that was never meant to be flow from the Tolarian Academy.
What I haven't seen is a real, tangible, bridge connecting those wonderful memories of where the game has been to the future it wants to create. This could be the chance for that. Perhaps the only chance for that.
Each of the people (and dragons) you've mentioned have been dead and gone for millennia, except for possibly the Order of the Ebon Hand. Each of the places you mentioned have been gone for at least as long.
Dude! They could totally use Jamuraa, Teferi's homeland. It mysteriously phases back into existence and now they get to interact with the other denizens of Dominaria. The Jamuraa people would be naive and ignorant to the events going on since their continent got phased out of time and space, as they weren't exactly present for the events that took place in Odyssey & Onslaught and also with the events of Time Spiral. Their culture would be relatively untouched, like how they were in the Mirage block and now they must adapt and be in conflict with the surrounding continents that have changed much since their absence.
As for what else I want to see, I want to see Squee again with a new legendary card. I also want to see a mono- legendary that makes creatures into sheep permanently like with Ovinomancer, minus "can't be regenerated" of course.
Taysir of Rabiah, he would be one of the very few planeswalkers I would actually be cool with being five colored. Him being resurrected for a third time I actually don't mind as krishnath mentioned he still has three lives left. Grand destiny? Well with the current state of things, stop New Phyrexia and also help thwart Nicol Bolas could be part of that destiny.
Neo-walker Teferi would be fine with me. Its still him being bumped down from "all powerful god" to "powerful mage". As with him being very skilled at time magic, I'm sure he is still alive. Him being a creature was just a temporary weakened state.
Teferi's homeland no longer exists, specifically the nation of Zhalfir. He had to chose between returning it or Shiv during Time Spiral, and he chose Shiv.
If the Soul of Dominaria could speak, oh the stories it could tell Nissa. I imagine its voice being slow, speaking with weariness and sounding older than any plane that she had spoke to previously.
If she talks about Nicol Bolas and how he devastated Amonkhet, Dominaria would laugh heartily and remark how it sounds like he is trying to be a big fish in a small pond. Nissa would become confused and a bit frustrated as she questions Dominaria further. Dominaria would reply how Nicol Bolas is crafty, but it has known of planeswalkers just as powerful as him if not more so who have died on it.
It would give Nissa directions to Yavimaya so she may speak with Multani who has recently reformed after the events of the mending. Multani would serve as a mentor of sorts to Nissa, as while he may not be a planeswalker he is very powerful, arguably more so than Nissa at the peak of her power.
Eventually she would be sent on her way and she would encounter Teferi who although he may not seem it, he is a very crafty planeswalker who knows much of what it was like before the mending.
Dominaria's World Soul can speak, it usually does it through Maro-Sorcerers. (Multani, Molimo, Titania)
Basically each major forest on Dominaria has a Maro-Sorcerer.
I have a theory that Jolrael may have turned into one as she is ageless and lives in the MWonvuli Jungle, one of the largest still standing forests in Dominaria. By the time of the Mirage storyline, she was already hundreds of years old and still looked like a woman in her late twenties. And since she was neither undead nor a planeswalker...
And speaking of forests, Llanowar should have recovered by now, as should Yavimaya and Havenwood. And the elves of Skyshroud have moved into Keld and mixed with the population there. I hope that the time displaced Thelon has moved into the remains of Havenwood and established a new elven nation there. It'd be nice.
Okay. Sure. But the presence or absence of specific places or things doesn't matter to me or the point I was trying to make. If it needs to be Skyshroud, that's fine. I can tell you what the rain tastes like there. Shiv? I still remember how thin the air gets on those mountaintops. Keld? I've probably got kids I never knew running amok there. The exact places and personalities involved doesn't matter. The opportunity to connect where our journey has taken us to where it all started does.
I applaud your vorthosian knowledge. It takes dedication to compile that sort of data. However, I feel like it created a 'can't see the forest for the trees' moment. Whatever relics of the past remain is of far less consequence to me than the gift of connecting our current, and future, plot devices with the bedrock of the game they now shepherd.
Skyshroud is gone as well, when Freyalise sacrificed herself, it started to freeze. Radha lead the survivors to Keld where they mixed with the Keldons. But yeah, I agree, it is necessary to connect with some of the wellknown historic places of M:TG lore, at least some of the ones that are still around.
As forests go, that means Llanowar (as it was regrowing last we saw it), Havenwood, Yavimaya, Shanodin and Mwonvuli. Yavimaya is at a new location though (it moved to the Burning Isles during invasion block).
Other places worth a visit are Urborg, Benalia, Shiv, and Keld.
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It feels like its been ages since I last played. But more importantly, it feels like a breath of fresh air to finally be returning to Dominaria after a whole decade has passed. Its quite interesting that the return to Dominaria is also in spring, just like its last set Future Sight had been. As my favorite block, Time Spiral, really is what finally got me fully interested in magic.
Slivers, elves, goblins, merfolk would be welcome returns. It would be wonderful to finally see the denizens of Yavimaya and Havenwood and Llanowar. But of course I also look forward to the Kelds, Benalish, Suq'ata and other denizens of Dominaria.
I assume when MaRo says hes solved how to make Dominaria a more cohesive theme, it would be like Ravnica or Khans of Tarkir in how various factions having watermarks. Such as the Benalish and Llanowar having distinct watermarks that helps guide the average player in deckbuilding and story. As that lack of such watermarks is what did cause some confusion for players
Teferi's homeland no longer exists, specifically the nation of Zhalfir. He had to chose between returning it or Shiv during Time Spiral, and he chose Shiv.
Technically, Teferi didn't choose one over the other; he thought he'd get a chance to phase in both. The problem was that he lost his spark phasing in Shiv (which he didn't know would happen), and when Jeska went to deal with the Zhalfirin rift, she sealed it before Teferi had the chance to tell her that Zhalfir couldn't be phased in once the rift was closed.
This is going to be "Nostalgia, the set" for those who actually played MtG from 1993-2000ish. I dunno if I am concerned or excited, I mean remakes/sequels/reboots are always bad and can never capture what made the original special so what is the point of going back? Is this a sequel seaboot prequel?
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Teferi's homeland no longer exists, specifically the nation of Zhalfir. He had to chose between returning it or Shiv during Time Spiral, and he chose Shiv.
Technically, Teferi didn't choose one over the other; he thought he'd get a chance to phase in both. The problem was that he lost his spark phasing in Shiv (which he didn't know would happen), and when Jeska went to deal with the Zhalfirin rift, she sealed it before Teferi had the chance to tell her that Zhalfir couldn't be phased in once the rift was closed.
it moved to the Burning Isles during invasion block
Not all of it, just most of it. There's still some Yavimaya left in its old location.
I thought he couldn't phase in Zhalfir because the "hole" no longer fit due to continental drift which he hadn't accounted for, thank you for correcting me.
As for Yavimaya, I specifically remember that the part of Yavimaya that contained what made the forest what it was, was moved to the Burning Isles. I also distinctly remember that Multani had to give up his physical form to do so. There may be scattered groves at its old location, but the forest itself is now at the burning isles. This was done because the bulk of the invasion happened in Urborg where the Evincar's Fortress merged with an Urborgian volcano, and the coalition needed to deploy their secret weapon immediately (the Kavu).
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Slivers should be alive and well on Dominaria. As out of all the races they were the ones that actually were biologically capable of adapting to the plane during the events of TSP. If there is no Slivers on Dominaria, I'm not going to be a very happy camper.
Slivers should be alive and well on Dominaria. As out of all the races they were the ones that actually were biologically capable of adapting to the plane during the events of TSP. If there is no Slivers on Dominaria, I'm not going to be a very happy camper.
There are slivers on Dominaria, whether or not there will be slivers in the set on the other hand, remains to be seen (But I think it is very likely they will make an appearance).
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
I don't think Dominaria will hit the marks I expect.
When I think "Dominaria," I think the cards that have already been affiliated with the plane - cards designed under different design paradigms than WotC currently agrees with, and the two big storylines - the meandering fantasy-adventure-serial Weatherlight story and the off-the-wall insane Odyssey story.
Now, we're probably not getting Llanowar Elves back. Or any of its comparable power-level commons. But hopefully we get back to a setting without a linear storyline determining what everything is and why it's important. For instance, the narrow story of Amonkhet allows there to not really be anything on Amonkhet except the trials and people participating in them. The unfocused kitchen-sink style worldbuilding and card design back in, say, Ice Age left the whole setting feeling bigger. I don't even know what the story in Ice Age was (or if there was one), but I'm still interested reading the flavor texts and trying to see how the different factions and named characters fit together.
I think the best case scenario would be revisiting familiar locations and factions and printing a high density of call-backs and reprints to memorable cards in the vein of Time Spiral, Coldsnap or Shadows Over Innistrad. Maybe revisiting a couple of [depowered] Invasion-Apocalypse Planeswalkers in place of the Gatewatch? Or is that too much to ask?
If we get slivers in the next few blocks I would literally ***** my pants in joy.
They would have to be exactly the same Sliver lineage that both looks old school and affects all Slivers in play, if they are if they're coming back in Dominaria, then I'll join in with you welcoming them back!
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for clarifying!
And for some real nostalgia, how about Factory Ruins that can be sacced to create a 2/2 Assembly-Worker artifact creature token?
A new Karn PW card is a must; he can reunite with Jhoira and Squee. Teferi surrendered his spark to seal one of the rifts, so he could get a new legendary card as well.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
We absolutely need a better card for that, though.
Gerrard was a tool. Literally. Specifically he was a tool for Urza to get revenge on Phyrexia. Anyway, back on topic. It is possible for planeswalkers who have lost their spark to either get a new one or "reignite". I for one would not mind a neo-walker Teferi.
A few days ago, well yesterday actually, someone asked MaRo which we were more likely to see first, a four or five color planeswalker. MaRo being coy as always said, and I quote , assuming it isn't Urza's Severed Head in the new Un-set, I hope we get a resurrected Taysir in Dominaria. There is precedent with him after all, he still has three lives to go through, and he still has a grand destiny to achieve (as he was told by the Anaba Shamans the last time he came back).
A link to the post in MaRo's blog: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/162141217253/what-are-we-likely-to-see-first-a-5-colour
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It would be an opportunity, maybe the only one, to integrate the modern story elements with the rich history that came before it. Maybe it bridges to the future that way as well. If you're having trouble with a certain Elder Dragon, maybe recruiting a genius like Chromium or a fighting force like Palladia-Mors could turn the odds in your favor?
I know this isn't going to be a popular sentiment. And I get it. It would be easy for over-represented marketing devices to muddy the otherwise pristine waters of nostalgia. The thing is, I already have the nostalgia. I've seen the Order of Leitbur charge across the plains and watched the darkness rise from Lake of the Dead. I've watched Natural Balance remake the landscape and seen Ball Lightning scorch everything in its path. I've seen power that was never meant to be flow from the Tolarian Academy.
What I haven't seen is a real, tangible, bridge connecting those wonderful memories of where the game has been to the future it wants to create. This could be the chance for that. Perhaps the only chance for that.
As for what else I want to see, I want to see Squee again with a new legendary card. I also want to see a mono- legendary that makes creatures into sheep permanently like with Ovinomancer, minus "can't be regenerated" of course.
Taysir of Rabiah, he would be one of the very few planeswalkers I would actually be cool with being five colored. Him being resurrected for a third time I actually don't mind as krishnath mentioned he still has three lives left. Grand destiny? Well with the current state of things, stop New Phyrexia and also help thwart Nicol Bolas could be part of that destiny.
Neo-walker Teferi would be fine with me. Its still him being bumped down from "all powerful god" to "powerful mage". As with him being very skilled at time magic, I'm sure he is still alive. Him being a creature was just a temporary weakened state.
I concur. I'm imagining Gideon gazing at a statue of Gerrard Capashen and reflecting on the story of the Weatherlight crew and the Coalition. Maybe at the end of the story Gideon delivers an inspiring speech to the allies Ajani gathers, using the Coalition as an example of strength through diversity and unity. Then his GW comrades each in turn contribute to the speech.
Once the GW accumulates enough members, I'd love a cycle of enchantments called Gatherings to follow up the Oaths, representing groups of Planeswalkers gathering and combining their strength.
Gathering of Virtue
Gathering of Mind
Gathering of Ambition
Gathering of Heart
Gathering of Life
And hey, what if there was a WUBRG enchantment called Gathering of Magic? Make it a wincon tied to controlling planeswalkers of each color.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
If she talks about Nicol Bolas and how he devastated Amonkhet, Dominaria would laugh heartily and remark how it sounds like he is trying to be a big fish in a small pond. Nissa would become confused and a bit frustrated as she questions Dominaria further. Dominaria would reply how Nicol Bolas is crafty, but it has known of planeswalkers just as powerful as him if not more so who have died on it.
It would give Nissa directions to Yavimaya so she may speak with Multani who has recently reformed after the events of the mending. Multani would serve as a mentor of sorts to Nissa, as while he may not be a planeswalker he is very powerful, arguably more so than Nissa at the peak of her power.
Eventually she would be sent on her way and she would encounter Teferi who although he may not seem it, he is a very crafty planeswalker who knows much of what it was like before the mending.
Dominaria: "Are you...are you a..." (shudders) "...planeswalker?"
Nissa: "Yes. Is that --"
Dominaria: "AGGGGGGGH GET IT OFF ME GET IT OFF ME GET IT OFF ME GET IT OFF ME"
Nissa: "Have you...um, had some kind of bad experience with our kind before?"
Dominaria: "GIRL"
Nissa: "Y...yes?"
Dominaria: "Here's $100. Don't talk to me again unless you planeswalk to a liquor store first."
Each of the people (and dragons) you've mentioned have been dead and gone for millennia, except for possibly the Order of the Ebon Hand. Each of the places you mentioned have been gone for at least as long.
Teferi's homeland no longer exists, specifically the nation of Zhalfir. He had to chose between returning it or Shiv during Time Spiral, and he chose Shiv.
Dominaria's World Soul can speak, it usually does it through Maro-Sorcerers. (Multani, Molimo, Titania)
Basically each major forest on Dominaria has a Maro-Sorcerer.
I have a theory that Jolrael may have turned into one as she is ageless and lives in the MWonvuli Jungle, one of the largest still standing forests in Dominaria. By the time of the Mirage storyline, she was already hundreds of years old and still looked like a woman in her late twenties. And since she was neither undead nor a planeswalker...
And speaking of forests, Llanowar should have recovered by now, as should Yavimaya and Havenwood. And the elves of Skyshroud have moved into Keld and mixed with the population there. I hope that the time displaced Thelon has moved into the remains of Havenwood and established a new elven nation there. It'd be nice.
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Okay. Sure. But the presence or absence of specific places or things doesn't matter to me or the point I was trying to make. If it needs to be Skyshroud, that's fine. I can tell you what the rain tastes like there. Shiv? I still remember how thin the air gets on those mountaintops. Keld? I've probably got kids I never knew running amok there. The exact places and personalities involved doesn't matter. The opportunity to connect where our journey has taken us to where it all started does.
I applaud your vorthosian knowledge. It takes dedication to compile that sort of data. However, I feel like it created a 'can't see the forest for the trees' moment. Whatever relics of the past remain is of far less consequence to me than the gift of connecting our current, and future, plot devices with the bedrock of the game they now shepherd.
Skyshroud is gone as well, when Freyalise sacrificed herself, it started to freeze. Radha lead the survivors to Keld where they mixed with the Keldons. But yeah, I agree, it is necessary to connect with some of the wellknown historic places of M:TG lore, at least some of the ones that are still around.
As forests go, that means Llanowar (as it was regrowing last we saw it), Havenwood, Yavimaya, Shanodin and Mwonvuli. Yavimaya is at a new location though (it moved to the Burning Isles during invasion block).
Other places worth a visit are Urborg, Benalia, Shiv, and Keld.
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Really? Thats neat.
Spirits
Slivers, elves, goblins, merfolk would be welcome returns. It would be wonderful to finally see the denizens of Yavimaya and Havenwood and Llanowar. But of course I also look forward to the Kelds, Benalish, Suq'ata and other denizens of Dominaria.
I assume when MaRo says hes solved how to make Dominaria a more cohesive theme, it would be like Ravnica or Khans of Tarkir in how various factions having watermarks. Such as the Benalish and Llanowar having distinct watermarks that helps guide the average player in deckbuilding and story. As that lack of such watermarks is what did cause some confusion for players
Technically, Teferi didn't choose one over the other; he thought he'd get a chance to phase in both. The problem was that he lost his spark phasing in Shiv (which he didn't know would happen), and when Jeska went to deal with the Zhalfirin rift, she sealed it before Teferi had the chance to tell her that Zhalfir couldn't be phased in once the rift was closed.
Not all of it, just most of it. There's still some Yavimaya left in its old location.
I thought he couldn't phase in Zhalfir because the "hole" no longer fit due to continental drift which he hadn't accounted for, thank you for correcting me.
As for Yavimaya, I specifically remember that the part of Yavimaya that contained what made the forest what it was, was moved to the Burning Isles. I also distinctly remember that Multani had to give up his physical form to do so. There may be scattered groves at its old location, but the forest itself is now at the burning isles. This was done because the bulk of the invasion happened in Urborg where the Evincar's Fortress merged with an Urborgian volcano, and the coalition needed to deploy their secret weapon immediately (the Kavu).
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There are slivers on Dominaria, whether or not there will be slivers in the set on the other hand, remains to be seen (But I think it is very likely they will make an appearance).
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UR Murktide
Pauper
RW Monarch
UW Caw-Gate
UBR Affinity
I think the new core set is more likely for that to happen.
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Numquam evolutioni obstes. Solum conculceris.
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When I think "Dominaria," I think the cards that have already been affiliated with the plane - cards designed under different design paradigms than WotC currently agrees with, and the two big storylines - the meandering fantasy-adventure-serial Weatherlight story and the off-the-wall insane Odyssey story.
Now, we're probably not getting Llanowar Elves back. Or any of its comparable power-level commons. But hopefully we get back to a setting without a linear storyline determining what everything is and why it's important. For instance, the narrow story of Amonkhet allows there to not really be anything on Amonkhet except the trials and people participating in them. The unfocused kitchen-sink style worldbuilding and card design back in, say, Ice Age left the whole setting feeling bigger. I don't even know what the story in Ice Age was (or if there was one), but I'm still interested reading the flavor texts and trying to see how the different factions and named characters fit together.
I think the best case scenario would be revisiting familiar locations and factions and printing a high density of call-backs and reprints to memorable cards in the vein of Time Spiral, Coldsnap or Shadows Over Innistrad. Maybe revisiting a couple of [depowered] Invasion-Apocalypse Planeswalkers in place of the Gatewatch? Or is that too much to ask?
They would have to be exactly the same Sliver lineage that both looks old school and affects all Slivers in play, if they are if they're coming back in Dominaria, then I'll join in with you welcoming them back!