Is it me or does the cat-dragon token scream "Baby Nargacuga!"?
Yet something bothers me: in the last commander product we had Foil-only commanders, while these new commander cards do not seem to be foiled.
I really really REALLY hope they are real, mainly because this could open the way to an angel tribal featuring Asha, Feather and the fourth sister of the Innistradi archangels.
EDIT: another thing, did they reprint other commander-only cards yet? If not then Tyrant's Familliar would be a first-timer.
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I was ok with it until the token. that art cannot be real =)
Yeah the token is one of the main reason why the authenticy of these things are in doubt. But I can't find the art anywhere else...
Also, the token is just gold, which seems weird now that they have the indicators for DFC and such. But Godsire was also gold without indicator. Still, I most frequently see 2-color tokens, not 3. Still, even if fan-made, those are some nice cards. As for the others, if true this either means all decks have dragons, or these will be harder to find than the Grixis commander deck was. So many legendaries!
Very interesting. They look too good for been fakes
Kasitora says "if the player" but O-Kagachi says "that player". Could just be another grammatical error, but I doubt they would use different wording like that on purpose, which means likely either typo or fake... even if some of these are real, it doesn't seem like they all are.
Well, if these are real, and I have no doubt they are, then there goes the five color slot I would have hoped gone to Slivers. Unless they do all four decks as 4-5 colors.
While I agree that Dragons are highly likely to be one of C17's tribes and we may get a WUBRG deck, a WUBRG Dragon deck would completely overshadow whatever the other three decks are about. We're talking the most popular tribe in all five colors as a precon. Also, if Haven of the Spirit Dragon was in the Dragon deck, then Ugin, the Spirit Dragon likely would be too to ensure Haven's text is completely relevant. However, Ugin's current market price (around $30) makes that unlikely. Crucible of the Spirit Dragon is more likely.
I seriously doubt the validity of this leak. Neat set symbol, though.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
At least 8 multicolored legendary dragons in one deck?
How much is too much?
Also, that brand new "if this creature on the battlefield or in command zone" mechanic. Are you kidding me?
If this is real, I'm thinking all of the decks are going to be five-color and have a good amount of overlap on the new cards... So maybe we're getting cats and spirits as two of the other decks?
If this is real, I'm thinking all of the decks are going to be five-color and have a good amount of overlap on the new cards... So maybe we're getting cats and spirits as two of the other decks?
I'm having trouble imagining a world in which Elves and Goblins are not two of the decks.
I was hoping for a spirit general, but didn't expect O-kagachi-sama. He's more like Child of Alara where it could be built as a good-stuff deck, consider its (unfortunately) lack of spirit related synergy. (I wonder if Krond the Dawn-Clad works better at exiling permanents.)
People were highly skeptical of Furyborn Hellkite and bloodthirst as the returning mechanic when it was found in a WotC dumpster months before M12 was scheduled to be gradually spoiled. I think this is for real.
I'm having trouble imagining a world in which Elves and Goblins are not two of the decks.
Goblins, sure, but there have been a lot of elf tribal decks. They reprinted the Freyalise deck in commander anthology this year which is basically half elf tribal.
While I agree that Dragons are highly likely to be one of C17's tribes and we may get a WUBRG deck, a WUBRG Dragon deck would completely overshadow whatever the other three decks are about. We're talking the most popular tribe in all five colors as a precon. Also, if Haven of the Spirit Dragon was in the Dragon deck, then Ugin, the Spirit Dragon likely would be too to ensure Haven's text is completely relevant. However, Ugin's current market price (around $30) makes that unlikely. Crucible of the Spirit Dragon is more likely.
I seriously doubt the validity of this leak. Neat set symbol, though.
Very interesting. They look too good for been fakes
Kasitora says "if the player" but O-Kagachi says "that player". Could just be another grammatical error, but I doubt they would use different wording like that on purpose, which means likely either typo or fake... even if some of these are real, it doesn't seem like they all are.
It isnt different wording though. Look at the sentence right before "if the player". That uses that "that player" phrasing. Not sure why they go with that at the end of the sentence and the in the beginning, but the two aren't the same.
These don't look fake. For these to be fake someone would have had to create all very believable new cards, find or create art that can't be found elsewhere, create a believable set icon, and make mockups for about 15 cards. If this is fake then kudos to whoever did this for their dedication, because these are very nice.
As for the new cards I love the cat dragon (they're adding cat to a lot of cards lately) and all the dragon stuff is great. I'm not the biggest fan of the dragon deck being 5 colors, but I'm not going to complain as this will give me enough to make a dragon deck of some sort out of it.
These decks better have one or two Cavern of Souls in them and hopefully the dragon one has Reflecting Pool (this one was sorely missed in C16). Wouldn't surprise me if we got a Clone variant that acts as a lord of whatever types it happens to clone.
While I agree that Dragons are highly likely to be one of C17's tribes and we may get a WUBRG deck, a WUBRG Dragon deck would completely overshadow whatever the other three decks are about.
Why would a 5 color dragon deck overshadow the others?
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Is it just me, or is O-Kagachi super unimpressive?
I like Ur-Dragon, though, even though it costs freaking 9 mana.
The flavor matches, since the spirit world was peaceful and in harmony with the Human world till it was violated, but yes, he is rather unimpressive, consider Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker has a much broader range of benefit than O-Kagachi, and its lack of spirit synergy is kinda sad.
you know which guys i'm talking about, every shop has one
this is what makes me believe these are actually real, the popularity of that tribe and that these seem very fair and are very high quality leaks
still, not looking forward to playing against that guy, in every shop, everywhere
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I hope that was a one time thing. I'm not a fan of how curly all of my C16 commanders have become.
Older Magic as a Board Game: Panglacial Wurm , Mill
Command Tower and Scavenging Ooze come to mind.
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Also, the token is just gold, which seems weird now that they have the indicators for DFC and such. But Godsire was also gold without indicator. Still, I most frequently see 2-color tokens, not 3. Still, even if fan-made, those are some nice cards. As for the others, if true this either means all decks have dragons, or these will be harder to find than the Grixis commander deck was. So many legendaries!
Kasitora says "if the player" but O-Kagachi says "that player". Could just be another grammatical error, but I doubt they would use different wording like that on purpose, which means likely either typo or fake... even if some of these are real, it doesn't seem like they all are.
I seriously doubt the validity of this leak. Neat set symbol, though.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
How much is too much?
Also, that brand new "if this creature on the battlefield or in command zone" mechanic. Are you kidding me?
Give Zaliki a CardI must have all the cats!
I'm having trouble imagining a world in which Elves and Goblins are not two of the decks.
EDIT: But I'd love to add to his deck Dragon Scales, Dragon Fangs, Dragon Breath, Dragon Shadow, and Dragon Wings. (Maybe not the last one)
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Short answer: yes, others have been reprinted.
Long answer: that's an interesting question, so I did some research and found the following. (note: my manual search probably overlooked a few cards)
These have all been reprinted at least once in another Commander or other supplemental product (Commander's Arsenal excluded):
These got a Masterpiece version:
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Haven can return a dragon creature card.
It isnt different wording though. Look at the sentence right before "if the player". That uses that "that player" phrasing. Not sure why they go with that at the end of the sentence and the in the beginning, but the two aren't the same.
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We're gonna need tribal goodies like Urza's Incubator and Cryptic Gateway for these decks and if they aren't reprinted in C17....
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RGOmnath, Locus of Rage Grenades! EDHGR
UWSygg's Defense, EDH - Voltron & ControlWU
BUGMimeoplasm EDH ft. Ifnir Cycling-discard comboBUG
WBTeysa, Connoisseur of CullingBW
BWSelenia & Recruiter of the Guard suicice combo EDHWB
UBRWGO-Kagachi - 5 Color Enchantments - EDHUBRWG
As for the new cards I love the cat dragon (they're adding cat to a lot of cards lately) and all the dragon stuff is great. I'm not the biggest fan of the dragon deck being 5 colors, but I'm not going to complain as this will give me enough to make a dragon deck of some sort out of it.
These decks better have one or two Cavern of Souls in them and hopefully the dragon one has Reflecting Pool (this one was sorely missed in C16). Wouldn't surprise me if we got a Clone variant that acts as a lord of whatever types it happens to clone.
Why would a 5 color dragon deck overshadow the others?
If you're playing a dragon deck Haven is relevant, if you have Ugin or not.
I like Ur-Dragon, though, even though it costs freaking 9 mana.
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EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
The flavor matches, since the spirit world was peaceful and in harmony with the Human world till it was violated, but yes, he is rather unimpressive, consider Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker has a much broader range of benefit than O-Kagachi, and its lack of spirit synergy is kinda sad.
Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest WUR Voltron Control
Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun WU Unblockable Mirror Trickery
Ra's al Ghul (Sidar Kondo) and Face-Down Ninjas
Brudiclad, Token Engineer
Vaevictis (VV2) the Dire Lantern
Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
Scorpion, Locust, Scarab, Egyptian Gods
O-Kagachi, Mathas, Mairsil
"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs