The Dragons deck looks like the biggest battlecruiser deck I've seen in awhile, and frankly I'm okay with that. I think I would still want to run Scion of the Ur Dragon over the Ur Dragon, however. It seems more versatile.
He's just too small. Look at the art. He's the size of Progenitus. I know that Emrakul can be killed by 15 Squirrels but come on. The scale is all weird, and the whole point of the character, to begin with, was his ridiculous size and army-unmaking capabilities. They got the second part right, but not the first.
And how does that compare to the Theros Gods? O-Kagachi is a world-encompassing spirit in the same way that they are world-encompassing enchantments. In practice, most gods can probably appear however they want.
I mean, I understand why folks complain about discrepant-looking P/T values between creatures, but we're all playing a game in which a Leviathan, a Sanctuary Cat, a Goblin Snowman, and a Tornado Elemental can walk into a bar and tucker each other out in a Shoving Match without hurting anyone in the process.
From a development perspective, it's gotta be tough to design new cards for top-heavy deck archetypes like dragons while still curving out their mana costs, P/T, abilities, etc. At least they're all better than Ludevic!
He's just too small. Look at the art. He's the size of Progenitus. I know that Emrakul can be killed by 15 Squirrels but come on. The scale is all weird, and the whole point of the character, to begin with, was his ridiculous size and army-unmaking capabilities. They got the second part right, but not the first.
And how does that compare to the Theros Gods? O-Kagachi is a world-encompassing spirit in the same way that they are world-encompassing enchantments. In practice, most gods can probably appear however they want.
Actually O-Kagachi was more of Nyx itself (since Nyx lacks a guardian-equivalent). The "world-encompassing enchantments"-equivalent on Kamigawa were more of the Myojin than O-Kagachi himself. Life's Web was capable of vaguely-controlling Jugan, similar to the way Nylea does with Polukranos. Konda most likely used That Which was Taken to "hijack" Cleansing Fire's control over Yosei (Cleansing Fire was mentioned to be "weeping", so it implies that That Which was Taken wasn't powerful enough to directly command Myojin-Level Kami, although Night's Reach and Infinite Rage have been shown to have their own motives but still prefer to not draw O-Kagachi's attention in any way, so overall they were still subservient to O-Kagachi.)
He's just too small. Look at the art. He's the size of Progenitus. I know that Emrakul can be killed by 15 Squirrels but come on. The scale is all weird, and the whole point of the character, to begin with, was his ridiculous size and army-unmaking capabilities. They got the second part right, but not the first.
And how does that compare to the Theros Gods? O-Kagachi is a world-encompassing spirit in the same way that they are world-encompassing enchantments. In practice, most gods can probably appear however they want.
This is a good point, but the difference is that they're new properties with different kinds of powers in their world, even if powerful. People have been waiting for O-Kagachi for ages, and they've been expecting him to be bigger than this. A part of Magic design is to meet expectations. This just doesn't.
Oh god i hope they are fake. They look really terrible and uninspired.
Bad news very likely real the original source of the photos were not only taken down shortly the whole entire account disappeared too.
But I don't understand the whole negativity on these cards I love those new ones I would rather use scion's dad as the commander over him, and the only one getting positive feedback is ramo and that's because he's has a massive Ramp ability that can get progenitus out immediately.
There is of course the possibility that these are all fake. And for some reason, I find myself hoping that they are.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
These are almost certainly real, there is no way someone would have access to the art work to make all of these fakes. If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?
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These are almost certainly real, there is no way someone would have access to the art work to make all of these fakes. If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?
Exactly that's my reason for them being real.
Also the photos on twitter were not only taken down soon after the account got taken down too. (Which tells me wizards may have caught the person red handed.)
These are almost certainly real, there is no way someone would have access to the art work to make all of these fakes. If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?
While I agree that they are real based on the amount of photo shopping put the expansion symbol on old cards, and the art is not taken from anywhere else so they have to draw the cards. That is very unlikly. But asking 'If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?' just means you do not know troll motivasion very much.
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I have dyslexia, no I am not going to spell check for you, yes you have to live with the horrors of it.
These are almost certainly real, there is no way someone would have access to the art work to make all of these fakes. If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?
While I agree that they are real based on the amount of photo shopping put the expansion symbol on old cards, and the art is not taken from anywhere else so they have to draw the cards. That is very unlikly. But asking 'If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?' just means you do not know troll motivasion very much.
"Amount of photo shopping put the expansion symbol" ...what expansion symbol, exactly? Since that isn't one that we've seen before, and the expansion symbol hasn't been announced yet. They couldn't have just photoshopped the expansion symbol. Either they know what the expansion symbol is, and either these cards are mockups or the real deal, or when we see the expansion symbol and it's different, we know these are almost definitely fake (though could still be mock-ups).
These are almost certainly real, there is no way someone would have access to the art work to make all of these fakes. If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?
While I agree that they are real based on the amount of photo shopping put the expansion symbol on old cards, and the art is not taken from anywhere else so they have to draw the cards. That is very unlikly. But asking 'If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?' just means you do not know troll motivasion very much.
"Amount of photo shopping put the expansion symbol" ...what expansion symbol, exactly? Since that isn't one that we've seen before, and the expansion symbol hasn't been announced yet. They couldn't have just photoshopped the expansion symbol. Either they know what the expansion symbol is, and either these cards are mockups or the real deal, or when we see the expansion symbol and it's different, we know these are almost definitely fake (though could still be mock-ups).
Right and in June will probably know because that's probably when Commander 2017 will be added to the upcoming products page and the set symbol will be shown if it's even relativly different these are fake.
By the way for the unexspected tribe if all of the decks are 5-color Eldrazi may win that slot.
He's just too small. Look at the art. He's the size of Progenitus. I know that Emrakul can be killed by 15 Squirrels but come on. The scale is all weird, and the whole point of the character, to begin with, was his ridiculous size and army-unmaking capabilities. They got the second part right, but not the first.
And how does that compare to the Theros Gods? O-Kagachi is a world-encompassing spirit in the same way that they are world-encompassing enchantments. In practice, most gods can probably appear however they want.
This is a good point, but the difference is that they're new properties with different kinds of powers in their world, even if powerful. People have been waiting for O-Kagachi for ages, and they've been expecting him to be bigger than this. A part of Magic design is to meet expectations. This just doesn't.
It's a five colour card. It has to be balanced.
Up the power and toughness and it has to cost more to cast.
Probably stupid but I'm rooting for cat tribal as the unexpected one now.
Considering that Wasitora is just a rare (although the rarity of new cards in commander sets is somewhat arbitrary) she might be part of more than one deck. There are actually quite a few cats in all 5 colors.
Although we do lack lords besides the new Regal Caracal and maybe Raksha Golden Cub and the better cats are mostly white and secondary green so the face card has to be quite excessive to reward for straining the mana base.
It would be a good way to make us buy their latest standard product though, considering all the new cats in AKH and probably more of them in HOU.
But maybe I just want them to reprint Phantom Nishoba with the new typeline...
For new cards, normally they had commons in "each" deck , uncommons in multiple decks and rares in only 1 deck.
If I were trying to convince people my fakes were real I'd post them on a platform like Twitter or Instagram and then once the rumour community starts noticing I'd take them down and delete the account. Just saying. Their being removed confirms nothing.
1) This could be an intentional leak by wizards in order to do some viral marketing.
2) This is an unintentional leak that wizards is silently cleaning up because they don't want to bring attention to the wrong product. Case in point, where they actively attacked the leak on social media.
3) It's someone being clever and being a troll in the most professional manner possible.
I'm going with either 1 or 3, with a stronger inclination to 3 unless we see spoilers because 1 sounds too smart for wizards marketing department. Especially given how well the standard development has been going the last two years...
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
We're in an age where people can make professional forgeries of MtG cards that take people with heavily established collections to figure out they are fakes. Also, don't forget we had a Nisa leak for Amonkhet that had the correct artwork, but the wrong rules text. It is possible that outcome 1 or 2 is what is going on and to be frank even if they did leak Commander 2017 unintentionally, it brings attention to commander and therefore has some tangential link to the Commander Anthologies collection coming next month. If that is the case then they would have no reason to start complaining on media about the leak since it basically gave them free advertising via this site, reddit, and twitter probably.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The best point in favour of these being real isn't that they were taken down (as that is exactly what a faker who wants credibility would do) but the fact that all of the cards have professional quality art that is consistent with other Magic cards and that no one can seem to find on the Internet.
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I might actually keep Scion as the main guy. Just put big Big Daddy in the 99, and use Scions ability to pitch him to the yard for recursion.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
From a development perspective, it's gotta be tough to design new cards for top-heavy deck archetypes like dragons while still curving out their mana costs, P/T, abilities, etc. At least they're all better than Ludevic!
Actually O-Kagachi was more of Nyx itself (since Nyx lacks a guardian-equivalent). The "world-encompassing enchantments"-equivalent on Kamigawa were more of the Myojin than O-Kagachi himself. Life's Web was capable of vaguely-controlling Jugan, similar to the way Nylea does with Polukranos. Konda most likely used That Which was Taken to "hijack" Cleansing Fire's control over Yosei (Cleansing Fire was mentioned to be "weeping", so it implies that That Which was Taken wasn't powerful enough to directly command Myojin-Level Kami, although Night's Reach and Infinite Rage have been shown to have their own motives but still prefer to not draw O-Kagachi's attention in any way, so overall they were still subservient to O-Kagachi.)
This is a good point, but the difference is that they're new properties with different kinds of powers in their world, even if powerful. People have been waiting for O-Kagachi for ages, and they've been expecting him to be bigger than this. A part of Magic design is to meet expectations. This just doesn't.
Bad news very likely real the original source of the photos were not only taken down shortly the whole entire account disappeared too.
But I don't understand the whole negativity on these cards I love those new ones I would rather use scion's dad as the commander over him, and the only one getting positive feedback is ramo and that's because he's has a massive Ramp ability that can get progenitus out immediately.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
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UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Exactly that's my reason for them being real.
Also the photos on twitter were not only taken down soon after the account got taken down too. (Which tells me wizards may have caught the person red handed.)
While I agree that they are real based on the amount of photo shopping put the expansion symbol on old cards, and the art is not taken from anywhere else so they have to draw the cards. That is very unlikly. But asking 'If they are fake someone went to a lot of trouble and for what?' just means you do not know troll motivasion very much.
"Amount of photo shopping put the expansion symbol" ...what expansion symbol, exactly? Since that isn't one that we've seen before, and the expansion symbol hasn't been announced yet. They couldn't have just photoshopped the expansion symbol. Either they know what the expansion symbol is, and either these cards are mockups or the real deal, or when we see the expansion symbol and it's different, we know these are almost definitely fake (though could still be mock-ups).
Right and in June will probably know because that's probably when Commander 2017 will be added to the upcoming products page and the set symbol will be shown if it's even relativly different these are fake.
By the way for the unexspected tribe if all of the decks are 5-color Eldrazi may win that slot.
It's a five colour card. It has to be balanced.
Up the power and toughness and it has to cost more to cast.
For new cards, normally they had commons in "each" deck , uncommons in multiple decks and rares in only 1 deck.
Mythics would be the commanders.
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Rares shouldnt be in multiple decks.
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1) This could be an intentional leak by wizards in order to do some viral marketing.
2) This is an unintentional leak that wizards is silently cleaning up because they don't want to bring attention to the wrong product. Case in point, where they actively attacked the leak on social media.
3) It's someone being clever and being a troll in the most professional manner possible.
I'm going with either 1 or 3, with a stronger inclination to 3 unless we see spoilers because 1 sounds too smart for wizards marketing department. Especially given how well the standard development has been going the last two years...
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
That makes two of us.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
That probably means they are real.