I Like O-Kagachi a lot- the trigger isn't so bad that nobody attacks you and you never get to use it, and he's not so big that he always gets killed on sight. That said, he does feel as if he's lacking that extra oomph that one would expect from the biggest, baddest spirit on Kamigawa. Haste in particular would work really well on this design, especially if he were your commander.
That Which Was Taken isn't in this O-Kagachi. You guys keep forgetting that. It's as if Chandra lost her spark but was still a known pyromancer (look at her Origins card for reference). Obviously we would've loved to have seen OP Kagachi but this is what we have so deal with it.
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Interesting that we got three new commanders for a single deck since normally they use 2 new and 1 reprint. Wonder if this means a one of tribes didn't have any legendary creatures to reprint? Scion of the Ur-Dragon would have been the only option for this deck.
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Interesting that we got three new commanders for a single deck since normally they use 2 new and 1 reprint. Wonder if this means a one of tribes didn't have any legendary creatures to reprint? Scion of the Ur-Dragon would have been the only option for this deck.
Forget scion, Ur-dragon himself is better than him.
But that dragon better be in this set.
EDIT: scion of ur-dragon is in it so change it too I better see Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund reprinted.
Definately pre-ordering this set dragon tribal is on my list for commander decks to have.
Interesting that we got three new commanders for a single deck since normally they use 2 new and 1 reprint. Wonder if this means a one of tribes didn't have any legendary creatures to reprint? Scion of the Ur-Dragon would have been the only option for this deck.
Maybe all 4 decks get 3 new commanders? Maybe there will be 4 options thanks to the expanded new card list.
Interesting that we got three new commanders for a single deck since normally they use 2 new and 1 reprint. Wonder if this means a one of tribes didn't have any legendary creatures to reprint? Scion of the Ur-Dragon would have been the only option for this deck.
Maybe all 4 decks get 3 new commanders?
Thats what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that one of the tribes didn't have any legends what-so-ever in the colors the tribe wanted to be so they made three new commanders for each deck instead of having one or two decks with a third reprint legend.
Also looks like I was right, one commander is super tribal and the others are more build around. To further guess O-Kagachi could be used as a 5 color spirit commander because of his typing, so maybe we will get one super tribal commander (Eminence commander), one build-around me commander that fits since it is apart of the tribe (Ramos) and one with two types that could be used for another tribal deck (O-Kagachi) but that other tribe won't have any support in the deck.
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I am way shooketh that it seems to be that one of the decks would be DRAGONS when a majority are throwing it out coz of ICONIC MASTERS... what is left for the other 3 tribes then?
If ANGELS ends up being one I might seriously FLIP!!!
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Let them be non-fake. These are all amazing and fun. Ur-dragon is a bit over the top, but then again costs 9.
Now... would ugin be in there too? I'd doubt it due to its current value, but it's Magic 25th, maybe they'll be generous. (Then again, that would mean the pre-con would be sold at hiked price and hoarded...)
Let them be non-fake. These are all amazing and fun. Ur-dragon is a bit over the top, but then again costs 9.
Now... would ugin be in there too? I'd doubt it due to its current value, but it's Magic 25th, maybe they'll be generous. (Then again, that would mean the pre-con would be sold at hiked price and hoarded...)
I doubt that they would put a dragon that the rules don't actually acknowledge as a dragon in this precon. If any planewalkers make it in, it'll be a Sarkhan.
They're real. Well now it's time to speculate on what other tribals/legends we'll see. There was a lot of legends in this deck.
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Demons and angels ar back on top for possible
Spirit may happen in fact we finally got O-Kagachi, so even if we don't get one we still have a better alternate spirit even though once again no spirit support (because we have access to the UR spirits)
And for unexspected tribe still wagering that on demons/snake/Eldrazi/werewolf
Let them be non-fake. These are all amazing and fun. Ur-dragon is a bit over the top, but then again costs 9.
Now... would ugin be in there too? I'd doubt it due to its current value, but it's Magic 25th, maybe they'll be generous. (Then again, that would mean the pre-con would be sold at hiked price and hoarded...)
I doubt that they would put a dragon that the rules don't actually acknowledge as a dragon in this precon. If any planewalkers make it in, it'll be a Sarkhan.
O-Kagachi does seem kind of small but that's probably because the Ur Dragon is freakishly huge. They purposely made smaller commanders in the first commander set to not outshine the 6/6 dragons. It's ability seems pretty balanced alongside Krond the Dawnclad as well. Afterall, they don't want to crimp their design space too badly. Besides, if they made it huge, it would probably cost a ton of mana as well and the link also shows Scion of the Ur Dragon which is only a 4/4 for 5.
I wouldn't mind O-Kagachi costing a lot of mana to be appropriate for its size. This card is just weird. Sure, it's a good idea to do this card in commander, seeing they somehow missed the opportunity to print it in the first place. But even if it has to fit the dragon deck in question, it's just completely off as a 6/6. Make it "the other" large dragon in the deck or something.
I hope for O'Kagachi's sake these are fake. That's got to be the most poorly represented character on cardboard in quite some time. I'd expect it to be some kind of 20/20 indestructible for ten or so mana with some weird drawback (Destroy all creatures on the battlefield?). Not a 6/6...
This would fit for me too. (Destroying all your own creatures of course.)
I hope for O'Kagachi's sake these are fake. That's got to be the most poorly represented character on cardboard in quite some time. I'd expect it to be some kind of 20/20 indestructible for ten or so mana with some weird drawback (Destroy all creatures on the battlefield?). Not a 6/6...
One can always say it was his diminished version when he was forced to manifest in utsushiyo, just before he faced (and lost to) the Sisters of Flesh and Spirit.
But yeah, even THEN I would expect him to be at least Progenitus-level (the closest thing to him we have anyway).
And even if that's the state represented in this card, it's not the state I'd like to see printed.
For anyone thinking O-Kagachi is a little underwhelming, keep in mind the game text can also act as a deterrent for an opponent attacking you. In much the same way that Edric, Spymaster of Trest can act as a "shield" encouraging people to attack other opponents, O-Kagachi can also be a shield for fear of reprisals.
I don't doubt the gameplay is great. It's a massive Vorthos miss, that's all.
I'm leaning toward these being real, but them being taken down is by no means a confirmation. If I were a faker trying to convince people my fakes were real, I'd just post a bunch and then take them down once people notice.
I thought the commander series was doing foil legendaries from here on out
That was never confirmed. That was just how things were last year. WOTC might have decided that the experiment failed.
Or maybe it's just hard to tell - with some pictures, you need to see the little star in the machine code at the bottom, which is conveniently cut off in most of these photos. I wouldn't feel comfortable making a determination based on just these photos.
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I'm not going to lie, the first time I saw Progenitus, I thought it was actually O-Kagachi in card form, then I looked up O-kagachi's name and felt stupid.
At least O-Kagachi will play well as a card. I just expected something much, much bigger.
Fair, though it still works quite flavorfully. O-Kagachi is all about reprisal, so you get a mini-retelling of the Kami war everytime someone attacks you. Size wise it may be a miss (though 6/6 is actually perfectly standard for legendary dragons with attack triggers) but it would be weird to have both O-Dragon and Ur-Dragon both as giant monstrosities... and the Ur Dragon is cooler in concept, just sayin'.
The Spirit Dragon should have been indestructible or something. I know it could be his diminished version but he's still a god... kind of wanted something scarier for a bit more mana.
So I don't think these are real and mostly that because of what I'm interpreting as a syntax error on Wasitora:
"If the player can't..." is and unusual phrasing of this ability for MTG rules text. Typically this would be "If that player does not..."
Also "you create..." instead of just "create." Both of these are weird phrasing for MTG rules text. The word 'you' here is completely unnecessary.
The first example actually introduces rules confusion, because now I have to define "can't" or 'not being able to do something' as an event in the rules distinct from that particular thing simply not happening.
So setting aside my general lack of enthusiasm for more indulgent five color bulk, I doubt these are real at all.
So I don't think these are real and mostly that because of what I'm interpreting as a syntax error on Wasitora:
"If the player can't..." is and unusual phrasing of this ability for MTG rules text. Typically this would be "If that player does not..."
Also "you create..." instead of just "create." Both of these are weird phrasing for MTG rules text. The word 'you' here is completely unnecessary.
The first example actually introduces rules confusion, because now I have to define "can't" or 'not being able to do something' as an event in the rules distinct from that particular thing simply not happening.
So setting aside my general lack of enthusiasm for more indulgent five color bulk, I doubt these are real at all.
"If that player does not..." implies that the opposing player had a choice, where Wasitora does not give them a choice. They have to sac something. If they can't you get a token. The 'you' removes any confusion as to who gets the token.
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So one down three to go dragons is definately not the unexspected tribe.
And omg a dragon can cast progenitus instantly
Hey alteast we got another choice for a spirit tribal with UR added even though it's another doesn't support spirit type
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Forget scion, Ur-dragon himself is better than him.
But that dragon better be in this set.
EDIT: scion of ur-dragon is in it so change it too I better see Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund reprinted.
Definately pre-ordering this set dragon tribal is on my list for commander decks to have.
Maybe all 4 decks get 3 new commanders? Maybe there will be 4 options thanks to the expanded new card list.
Thats what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that one of the tribes didn't have any legends what-so-ever in the colors the tribe wanted to be so they made three new commanders for each deck instead of having one or two decks with a third reprint legend.
Also looks like I was right, one commander is super tribal and the others are more build around. To further guess O-Kagachi could be used as a 5 color spirit commander because of his typing, so maybe we will get one super tribal commander (Eminence commander), one build-around me commander that fits since it is apart of the tribe (Ramos) and one with two types that could be used for another tribal deck (O-Kagachi) but that other tribe won't have any support in the deck.
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If ANGELS ends up being one I might seriously FLIP!!!
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Now... would ugin be in there too? I'd doubt it due to its current value, but it's Magic 25th, maybe they'll be generous. (Then again, that would mean the pre-con would be sold at hiked price and hoarded...)
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I doubt that they would put a dragon that the rules don't actually acknowledge as a dragon in this precon. If any planewalkers make it in, it'll be a Sarkhan.
O-Kagachi is foil from that picture leaked. It's the cover of that commander deck.
Well I can point out
Demons and angels ar back on top for possible
Spirit may happen in fact we finally got O-Kagachi, so even if we don't get one we still have a better alternate spirit even though once again no spirit support (because we have access to the UR spirits)
And for unexspected tribe still wagering that on demons/snake/Eldrazi/werewolf
Omg Nicol Bolas is going to execute you now
I wouldn't mind O-Kagachi costing a lot of mana to be appropriate for its size. This card is just weird. Sure, it's a good idea to do this card in commander, seeing they somehow missed the opportunity to print it in the first place. But even if it has to fit the dragon deck in question, it's just completely off as a 6/6. Make it "the other" large dragon in the deck or something.
This would fit for me too. (Destroying all your own creatures of course.)
And even if that's the state represented in this card, it's not the state I'd like to see printed.
I don't doubt the gameplay is great. It's a massive Vorthos miss, that's all.
That was never confirmed. That was just how things were last year. WOTC might have decided that the experiment failed.
Or maybe it's just hard to tell - with some pictures, you need to see the little star in the machine code at the bottom, which is conveniently cut off in most of these photos. I wouldn't feel comfortable making a determination based on just these photos.
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Fair, though it still works quite flavorfully. O-Kagachi is all about reprisal, so you get a mini-retelling of the Kami war everytime someone attacks you. Size wise it may be a miss (though 6/6 is actually perfectly standard for legendary dragons with attack triggers) but it would be weird to have both O-Dragon and Ur-Dragon both as giant monstrosities... and the Ur Dragon is cooler in concept, just sayin'.
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"If the player can't..." is and unusual phrasing of this ability for MTG rules text. Typically this would be "If that player does not..."
Also "you create..." instead of just "create." Both of these are weird phrasing for MTG rules text. The word 'you' here is completely unnecessary.
The first example actually introduces rules confusion, because now I have to define "can't" or 'not being able to do something' as an event in the rules distinct from that particular thing simply not happening.
So setting aside my general lack of enthusiasm for more indulgent five color bulk, I doubt these are real at all.
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"If that player does not..." implies that the opposing player had a choice, where Wasitora does not give them a choice. They have to sac something. If they can't you get a token. The 'you' removes any confusion as to who gets the token.
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