Be aware that there is NO CERTAINTY on these being real or fake at the point of me writing this.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I was ok with it until the token. that art cannot be real =)
Yeah the token is one of the main reason why the authenticy of these things are in doubt. But I can't find the art anywhere else...
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
If these are fake they're amazingly high-quality in all respects. It's a little odd that O-Kagachi is a non-indestructible 6/6 and that the Ur-Dragon is getting a card at all, but otherwise I wants it, precioussss.
I want to say it's fake as much as I like these cards (especially the interesting cat dragon) !!!! The reason being while these are tribal, I had thought that the new decks would be more mono colored and less emphasis on color wheel. These cards look like they emphasize color. While these leaks are possibly true I'm calling fake for time being.
I know That Which Was Taken was considered female...if memory serves me correct, O-Kagachi was like an angry father figure (think Liam Neeson from TAKEN, but I'm pretty sure Kamigawa predates that trilogy).
That cat dragon is stupidly cute. I'm also debating whether they'd make something so cute on a card, but we did get the boar(soldier transformed into a barnyard piggy) and squirrel token....you don't think that the tokens will connect do you? Like Cat-Dragon, Cat-knight, merfolk-knight, merfolk-dragon(not necessarily those exact creature types, but each theme deck creates a hybrid token that includes a type from another C17 deck)?
I know That Which Was Taken was considered female...if memory serves me correct, O-Kagachi was like an angry father figure (think Liam Neeson from TAKEN, but I'm pretty sure Kamigawa predates that trilogy).
O-Kagachi is "male", being the "God the Father" figure of Kamigawa, as the personification of the barrier between the Utsushiyo and the Kakuriyo. He has a "daughter" in the form of the Taken One, a piece of his essence that was later personified as a woman named Kyodai.
Been a minute since I read the books, but the art for O-Kagachi seems pretty spot on from what I remember.
We have seen O-Kagachi before, here:
While the main head does look hard to judge, the rest seems to work very well so...
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
If the new legendaries are fake the makers certainly know their older magic lore. Also fits in with their new policy to use commander to give legendary creatures who haven't gotten a card a card.
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I don't remember O-Kagachi being called a dragon in the story though (I could be wrong), all my vague memories remember it being called along the lines of multi-headed serpent (which implies hydra). If I remembered correctly, then O-Kagachi was really squeezed into this product (since this means we'll not getting Spirit Tribal).
As for Kitty-Dragon, "Neko"ru seriously? The flavor text mentions Madara, so it isn't on Kamigawa (unless Bolas brought it from Kamigawa during Time Spiral, but then again I don't remember cats on Kamigawa).
Ur-Dragon is fine with me flavor-wise, but Eminence is already getting on my nerves since I consider the the 2013 Commanders to be the most erroneous ones as they interfered with the Command Zone which was supposed to be the check against the re-playability it provides. Sure, Ur-Dragon seems relatively tame, but Eminence being worded means it's likely there are (at least) 3 more "main Commanders" that have the same ability (granting something from the Command Zone) and considering we're guessing popular tribes, it could be potentially broken.
And while we haven't seen the mana-ramp options in the deck, seeing all the costly dragons only makes me feel like this deck will get overrun by every other precon existing out there before it manages to fix its mana in time, if we take the standard quality of mana-fixing of precons. In fariness though, this is the first 5-Color deck, so maybe it'll fare better in that department.
As for Kitty-Dragon, "Neko"ru seriously? The flavor text mentions Madara, so it isn't on Kamigawa (unless Bolas brought it from Kamigawa during Time Spiral, but then again I don't remember cats on Kamigawa).
That's what they're called. Wasitora and her nekoru children are established Magic characters, and yes, it's stupid that the Cat-Dragons are literally called "Cat-Dragon But in Japanese" and their queen is named "Eagletiger", but so what? They're amazing and hopefully these are real leaks and they'll get cards.
That's what they're called. Wasitora and her nekoru children are established Magic characters, and yes, it's stupid that the Cat-Dragons are literally called "Cat-Dragon But in Japanese" and their queen is named "Eagletiger", but so what? They're amazing and hopefully these are real leaks and they'll get cards.
I've just been assured they are real. Still not convinced until I see it from a legitimate source, but it'd be nice to think so because they look pretty awesome.
As for Kitty-Dragon, "Neko"ru seriously? The flavor text mentions Madara, so it isn't on Kamigawa (unless Bolas brought it from Kamigawa during Time Spiral, but then again I don't remember cats on Kamigawa).
That's what they're called. Wasitora and her nekoru children are established Magic characters, and yes, it's stupid that the Cat-Dragons are literally called "Cat-Dragon But in Japanese" and their queen is named "Eagletiger", but so what? They're amazing and hopefully these are real leaks and they'll get cards.
Sorry I wasn't well-versed in the old lore, so I didn't realize that until I took a wiki trip.
I also forgot Kamigawa (events) preceded Madara (thanks Time Spiral), which meant the Umezawa bloodline was there to potentially name them. I agree it's amazing, I just mixed up the timelines and somehow thought it had to be related to Bolas (doesn't help we're right smack on Amonkhet now...), which didn't fit chronologically.
I wasn't saying the name was bad, I was (mistakenly) confused on how the naming process ended up on Madara but it makes sense now.
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Be aware that there is NO CERTAINTY on these being real or fake at the point of me writing this.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
My free stuff so far: 2 Rise of the Eldrazi boosters & 1600 XBOX points
Yeah the token is one of the main reason why the authenticy of these things are in doubt. But I can't find the art anywhere else...
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
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That cat dragon is stupidly cute. I'm also debating whether they'd make something so cute on a card, but we did get the boar(soldier transformed into a barnyard piggy) and squirrel token....you don't think that the tokens will connect do you? Like Cat-Dragon, Cat-knight, merfolk-knight, merfolk-dragon(not necessarily those exact creature types, but each theme deck creates a hybrid token that includes a type from another C17 deck)?
O-Kagachi is "male", being the "God the Father" figure of Kamigawa, as the personification of the barrier between the Utsushiyo and the Kakuriyo. He has a "daughter" in the form of the Taken One, a piece of his essence that was later personified as a woman named Kyodai.
He might also be a worldsoul?
The "deep" Magic lore is good.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
Been a minute since I read the books, but the art for O-Kagachi seems pretty spot on from what I remember.
We have seen O-Kagachi before, here:
While the main head does look hard to judge, the rest seems to work very well so...
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
As for Kitty-Dragon, "Neko"ru seriously? The flavor text mentions Madara, so it isn't on Kamigawa (unless Bolas brought it from Kamigawa during Time Spiral, but then again I don't remember cats on Kamigawa).
Ur-Dragon is fine with me flavor-wise, but Eminence is already getting on my nerves since I consider the the 2013 Commanders to be the most erroneous ones as they interfered with the Command Zone which was supposed to be the check against the re-playability it provides. Sure, Ur-Dragon seems relatively tame, but Eminence being worded means it's likely there are (at least) 3 more "main Commanders" that have the same ability (granting something from the Command Zone) and considering we're guessing popular tribes, it could be potentially broken.
And while we haven't seen the mana-ramp options in the deck, seeing all the costly dragons only makes me feel like this deck will get overrun by every other precon existing out there before it manages to fix its mana in time, if we take the standard quality of mana-fixing of precons. In fariness though, this is the first 5-Color deck, so maybe it'll fare better in that department.
That's what they're called. Wasitora and her nekoru children are established Magic characters, and yes, it's stupid that the Cat-Dragons are literally called "Cat-Dragon But in Japanese" and their queen is named "Eagletiger", but so what? They're amazing and hopefully these are real leaks and they'll get cards.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
I've just been assured they are real. Still not convinced until I see it from a legitimate source, but it'd be nice to think so because they look pretty awesome.
Sorry I wasn't well-versed in the old lore, so I didn't realize that until I took a wiki trip.
I also forgot Kamigawa (events) preceded Madara (thanks Time Spiral), which meant the Umezawa bloodline was there to potentially name them. I agree it's amazing, I just mixed up the timelines and somehow thought it had to be related to Bolas (doesn't help we're right smack on Amonkhet now...), which didn't fit chronologically.
I wasn't saying the name was bad, I was (mistakenly) confused on how the naming process ended up on Madara but it makes sense now.
-Chandra Nalaar