We had hopes for Leovold and gave him every opportunity to prove that he would be strong but safe in the format. He simply wasn’t. Leovold violates the tenet of creating undesirable game states by easily locking other players out of the game. We prefer to encourage situations in which everyone gets to play, and it’s too easy for Leovold to create the opposite, even unintentionally.
On the other hand, we feel as though it’s time to let Protean Hulk off the leash. A number of factors led to this decision. Support within the community has been tilting toward Protean Hulk for quite some time. Inside the Rules Committee, we have been leaning in that direction for a while as well, but didn’t have enough of a consensus. Now we do. We acknowledge that the card will be strong, but are of the opinion that it won’t be the centralizing factor it once would have been. Back when Protean Hulk was banned, both creatures and graveyard control were nowhere near as strong as they are today. We know combo possibilities exist with the card, but they need to be specifically built around, so to us it becomes a great value card instead of a dangerous combo piece in casual environments. We suspect that Protean Hulk will be much like Kokusho, the Evening Star when it was unbanned: powerful but not broken in the current Commander landscape
Yay, Protean Hulk! (Haven't even played that guy on almost a decade).
Leovold was dang boring in my opinion anyway (visually and in regards to naming).
Haha I would have guessed you'd be sad about Leovold with a username like that!
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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And I got to get a Protean hulk while its its cheap I heard it instaiously jumped to $8 in just 15 minutes.
Took 15 mins to go from $3 to $8, and another 15 mins to go from $8 to $13. Managed to snag 2 from StrikeZoneOnline for $3 apiece.
EDIT: well, I HAD purchased 2 copies at $3 from StrikeZoneOnline, before they cancelled on my as "out of stock". Last time I buy from them. Pissed me off too, I didn't buy these to flip, but to use. Also, at the time I could have bought from other sellers at $6 but didn't, now that ship has sailed.
And I just bought the last $40 playset on eBay -___-
I don't know if I even have a deck that can really use them,
but I don't want this to become another Doubling Season
(ie- very pricey card that a few decks *really* want).
I guess Jarad and Yidris can use it,
but I don't really have the tools in those decks to truly abuse it.
Ezuri might like it though- the hulk itself doesn't give him experience,
but saccing it could get you quite a few...
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I don't have any particular skin in this but honestly I'd much rather see all wheel effects banned than Leovold. As a value dude he's not doing much, he's just a problem when intentionally abused.
And I really hate wheel effects in Commander...
If your just playing value leovold I doubt your local commander group with have a problem with you playing with him anyways. Anyways I am now really glad I didnt build leovold. I look forward to the jank plays the hulk pulls out
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TCG already have jumped Hulk for no lower then $18.00 and Card Kingdom totally out. Just built Leovold and played 1 game with him. This game pisses me off sometimes.
To be honest nobody in my playgroup really abused Leovold that badly; and it actually was more of a heroic card against the more hated Nekusar. Pretty sad to see it go.
Protean Hulk is cool... but the fact it just jumped up that far in price makes me not want to buy it.
So not only is there FINALLY a shakeup on the EDH banlist, but one I benefit from? Saffi is very pleased with this update.
BS, you've "benefited" in the past from a bunch of other updates that banned cards I used that happened to be all green.
Every update has either been neutral or beneficial for you while neutral or hurting me.
In other words, yes I'm a bit salty that I may never get a ban update that hurts just you. (i.e C. Sphinx or painter)
Took 15 mins to go from $3 to $8, and another 15 mins to go from $8 to $13. Managed to snag 2 from StrikeZoneOnline for $3 apiece.
EDIT: well, I HAD purchased 2 copies at $3 from StrikeZoneOnline, before they cancelled on my as "out of stock". Last time I buy from them. Pissed me off too, I didn't buy these to flip, but to use. Also, at the time I could have bought from other sellers at $6 but didn't, now that ship has sailed.
I'm sure it doesn't make you feel any better, but from what I understand talking to some friends who run LGS's and sell through Crystal Commerce (which SZO does iirc), they have very poor inventory coordination mechanisms which causes issues like this to happen with some degree of regularity when things spike. The orders end up canceled automatically later on when Crystal Commerce reconciles the inventory. I know a few owners who get frustrated because they get hate mail from people accusing them of canceling because of the spike.
Not saying no owners do that and not saying it's definitely a Crystal Commerce issue in this case, but knowing that made me more forgiving about this kind of thing.
EDIT: well, I HAD purchased 2 copies at $3 from StrikeZoneOnline, before they cancelled on my as "out of stock". Last time I buy from them. Pissed me off too, I didn't buy these to flip, but to use. Also, at the time I could have bought from other sellers at $6 but didn't, now that ship has sailed.
Same- the turd I bought from on eBay also cancelled my order,
even though they were $10 each.
Stupid greedy people.
Don't list the cards at a price if you aren't willing to sell for that price.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
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BANNED:
Leovold, Emissary of Trest
UNBANNED:
Protean Hulk
Haha I would have guessed you'd be sad about Leovold with a username like that!
HA.
I *so* called this (over and over).
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
That makes two of us lol.
And I got to get a Protean hulk while its its cheap I heard it instaiously jumped to $8 in just 15 minutes.
leovold, emissary of trest ;-)
Took 15 mins to go from $3 to $8, and another 15 mins to go from $8 to $13. Managed to snag 2 from StrikeZoneOnline for $3 apiece.
EDIT: well, I HAD purchased 2 copies at $3 from StrikeZoneOnline, before they cancelled on my as "out of stock". Last time I buy from them. Pissed me off too, I didn't buy these to flip, but to use. Also, at the time I could have bought from other sellers at $6 but didn't, now that ship has sailed.
Just in the nick of time I got one.
$7.5 light played
And I just bought the last $40 playset on eBay -___-
I don't know if I even have a deck that can really use them,
but I don't want this to become another Doubling Season
(ie- very pricey card that a few decks *really* want).
I guess Jarad and Yidris can use it,
but I don't really have the tools in those decks to truly abuse it.
Ezuri might like it though- the hulk itself doesn't give him experience,
but saccing it could get you quite a few...
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
LEOVOLD is gone
Got a protean hulk while it's cheap
And sensei's divining top is going to be easier for budget players to get in a few weeks.
If your just playing value leovold I doubt your local commander group with have a problem with you playing with him anyways. Anyways I am now really glad I didnt build leovold. I look forward to the jank plays the hulk pulls out
GW Rhys the Redeemed EDH
RUGAnimar, Soul of Elements EDH
WBRAlesha, Who Smiles at Death EDH
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Protean Hulk is cool... but the fact it just jumped up that far in price makes me not want to buy it.
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Hahahahahaha, oh no, just no.
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Thats so ridiculous.....
Banned the top?
Tell that to deadeye navigator and paradox engine
Those are just absurd in edh.
Being mildly annoyed that your buddies take too long using Top does not.
-Chandra Nalaar
Right now $20 and this is moderate condition
Every update has either been neutral or beneficial for you while neutral or hurting me.
In other words, yes I'm a bit salty that I may never get a ban update that hurts just you. (i.e C. Sphinx or painter)
I'm sure it doesn't make you feel any better, but from what I understand talking to some friends who run LGS's and sell through Crystal Commerce (which SZO does iirc), they have very poor inventory coordination mechanisms which causes issues like this to happen with some degree of regularity when things spike. The orders end up canceled automatically later on when Crystal Commerce reconciles the inventory. I know a few owners who get frustrated because they get hate mail from people accusing them of canceling because of the spike.
Not saying no owners do that and not saying it's definitely a Crystal Commerce issue in this case, but knowing that made me more forgiving about this kind of thing.
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Same- the turd I bought from on eBay also cancelled my order,
even though they were $10 each.
Stupid greedy people.
Don't list the cards at a price if you aren't willing to sell for that price.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW