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Given the Freyalise's 2014 Commander deck is getting rereleased in a few days, I would be MASSIVELY disappointed if one of the C17 decks is another Elf tribal deck, and should lots and lots of people.
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Given the Freyalise's 2014 Commander deck is getting rereleased in a few days, I would be MASSIVELY disappointed if one of the C17 decks is another Elf tribal deck, and should lots and lots of people.
I've been preparing for that one. I just got the last deck I needed off of walmarts site for C16, which was the Entropic Uprising deck. You can actually get it from them for about 35 usd right now while everyone else is spiking the price to 60+ usd per box on ebay. Next step is to see where the price trajectory goes on the anthologies. Right now it looks like everyone is planning on arbitrage on those things and selling the Kalia deck for insane amounts.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
How many times do I have to tell you guys we are NOT GETING ELFS IN THIS!!!
It is merely an example of a way to use Eminence that showcases how it could vary and why it would not be purely just cost reduction. Don't get your birch trees in knots.
So thinking about the possible likely tribes and colors...
Angels - WBR OR WUBRG Dragons(Confirmed) - WUBRG Demons - BR OR UBR
??? - ???
Seems the brunt of the colors is going to be B/R/X followed by W/X.
How many times do I have to tell you guys we are NOT GETING ELFS IN THIS!!!
It is merely an example of a way to use Eminence that showcases how it could vary and why it would not be purely just cost reduction. Don't get your birch trees in knots.
So thinking about the possible likely tribes and colors...
Angels - WBR OR WUBRG Dragons(Confirmed) - WUBRG Demons - BR OR UBR
??? - ???
Seems the brunt of the colors is going to be B/R/X followed by W/X.
There would need to be a U/X, G/X or U/G/X deck.
Ok I figured
And iconic tribes is a good guess since all of them are popular and interesting
For the unexspected tribe
It's will probably be one of these
Devoid CWUBRG Eldrazi/WUBRG spirits (O-kagachi has the same problem as Karador no tribal support ability.) WUBRG hydras (hey they are on the iconic list.)
You guys do realize that, just because we're getting five-color dragons, that doesn't indicate anything about the other three decks? There's no evidence that the other decks are also going to be five-color, or that they're all going to be iconic tribes.
There's only four hypotheses I'm willing to bet on at this moment:
1. Spirits aren't happening. If they were, O-Kagachi would've been in that deck instead of the dragon deck, and he would've had Soulshift or Spiritcraft or some other sort of ability that plays well with spirits.
2. Werewolves aren't happening. There are so many logistical issues with a precon that has that many DFCs.
3. Elves aren't happening. Not only have we already gotten an elf deck, it's being reprinted in Commander Anthologies.
4. One tribe is "unexpected", but it's still going to be a tribe that has at least some tribal support. The vast majority of the contents of these decks have to be reprints, so it's just not viable to try and make relevant a creature type that has never mattered before. Forget your pipe dreams of construct tribal, pirate tribal, or ooze tribal; think more eldrazi, bird, or faerie.
How many times do I have to tell you guys we are NOT GETING ELFS IN THIS!!!
It is merely an example of a way to use Eminence that showcases how it could vary and why it would not be purely just cost reduction. Don't get your birch trees in knots.
So thinking about the possible likely tribes and colors...
Angels - WBR OR WUBRG Dragons(Confirmed) - WUBRG Demons - BR OR UBR
??? - ???
Seems the brunt of the colors is going to be B/R/X followed by W/X.
There would need to be a U/X, G/X or U/G/X deck.
They could do wizards tribal. The core would largely be blue, but they can go esper for cards like Stormscape Master or go bant and do a merging of simic and azorius mages. That and Sunscape Master.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You guys do realize that, just because we're getting five-color dragons, that doesn't indicate anything about the other three decks? There's no evidence that the other decks are also going to be five-color, or that they're all going to be iconic tribes.
There's only four hypotheses I'm willing to bet on at this moment:
1. Spirits aren't happening. If they were, O-Kagachi would've been in that deck instead of the dragon deck, and he would've had Soulshift or Spiritcraft or some other sort of ability that plays well with spirits.
2. Werewolves aren't happening. There are so many logistical issues with a precon that has that many DFCs.
3. Elves aren't happening. Not only have we already gotten an elf deck, it's being reprinted in Commander Anthologies.
4. One tribe is "unexpected", but it's still going to be a tribe that has at least some tribal support. The vast majority of the contents of these decks have to be reprints, so it's just not viable to try and make relevant a creature type that has never mattered before. Forget your pipe dreams of construct tribal, pirate tribal, or ooze tribal; think more eldrazi, bird, or faerie.
1. Yes O-kagachi in dragons hurts the chances but how do you know there won't be a version of him with the that which was taken (a different version that supports spirits.)
2. Oh believe when I learned about Maros statement on DFC are being avoided in commander.
3. Amen
4. Yes sir eldrazis is number one on my list of winning the unexspected slot wizards said a while back they are considering a colorless pre-built commander deck this is a chance at that due to not being colored focused, and some of the artifact Mana rocks are not getting cheap that's a good opportunity of reprinting those,
(Ps I only heard about it I don't know the source.)
Maybe we could have a rainbow God so we can have god tribal as we currently have 20 gods (minus changelings and mistforms).
That would be fun I guess... The current leader for a "God" deck is what? Karona, False God? Progenitus? Meh... I'm already having to pack stuff like Godsend and Sword of Kaldra in my decks just to handle the amounts of Gods and Eldazi titans in my meta as of late so I'm prep'd for a true 5c god
Yes O-kagachi in dragons hurts the chances but how do you know there won't be a version of him with the that which was taken (a different version that supports spirits.)
It seems far more likely that they made this version of O-Kagachi because they couldn't fit him in C17 otherwise. There's no shortage of dragons and dragon-adjacent characters in the multiverse to turn into cards, so if O-Kagachi already had another version in another deck, WotC would have given his slot in the dragon deck to another character. Your suggestion is technically possible, but it's not likely enough to be worth considering, I feel.
Yes O-kagachi in dragons hurts the chances but how do you know there won't be a version of him with the that which was taken (a different version that supports spirits.)
It seems far more likely that they made this version of O-Kagachi because they couldn't fit him in C17 otherwise. There's no shortage of dragons and dragon-adjacent characters in the multiverse to turn into cards, so if O-Kagachi already had another version in another deck, WotC would have given his slot in the dragon deck to another character. Your suggestion is technically possible, but it's not likely enough to be worth considering, I feel.
I understand also there could be another spirit legend that could take his place.
Maybe we could have a rainbow God so we can have god tribal as we currently have 20 gods (minus changelings and mistforms).
That would be fun I guess... The current leader for a "God" deck is what? Karona, False God? Progenitus? Meh... I'm already having to pack stuff like Godsend and Sword of Kaldra in my decks just to handle the amounts of Gods and Eldazi titans in my meta as of late so I'm prep'd for a true 5c god
My commander deck is nicknamed "Swords and Kings" for a reason. I have every single sword of value in the deck and some extra "good stuff" to boot. Only downside is it is a mono-white C14 Nahiri build.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I'd be fine with an Elf tribal deck that isn't monogreen. But I want GW Cats or Humans more.
WE ARE NOT GETTING ELFS!
It happened in commander 2014 we got mono green elf tribal they are not going to do it again.
Let it go (same goes to everybody else who still thinks it's possible)
Plot twist: every single deck in C17 is an el*VES* deck just to contradict the obnoxious font you're using
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Modern:
URB Grixis Delver URB
WUB Ad Nauseam WUB
(On Lantern Control)"A guy who literally just sits there and mills cards he doesn't like from your library while he slowly, slowly kills you this way."
"If a person's profile includes anime or My Little Pony, feel free to ignore everything they say."
Seems like a lot of these ideas are stemming from the Kamigawa block lol, I thought wizards didn't want to go back there :}
They largely say those things in relation to new main sets and not so much casual products. Commander is one of the few places kamigawa reprints are possible outside of a masters set. I wouldn't mind more time spiral love and barbarian love, but I think the latest duel deck got that covered for parts on those fronts.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Monogreen Elves are boring. Give me Abzan Elves, or Bant, or even Sultai. Red is the least-represented color among Elves, so it's the lowest priority for them, but Naya, Jund, and Temur Elves would be cool too.
Same deal with Goblins. We have a Jund Goblin legend now, let's see what they can do with Grixis, Naya, Mardu, Jeskai, and Temur.
And of course I have to complete the trio with Merfolk in Bant, Esper, Grixis, Jeskai, Sultai, and Temur.
As for my reasoning behind these trios: We've seen these tribes in all four pairs that include their core color, so it's only logical that we eventually see them in each trio for their color as well. Partner legends for those pairs would help immensely, of course. Then you can play a tribe in each of their trios with four legends instead of six.
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Speculation, speculation
Only guess I'm willing to post...... Wizards
Heck the speculation for wizards got me looking into all the wizards available and now I've actually started building a wizards list. Esper wizards is just so much handyman utility in a single deck and even going back to visions many of the commander playable wizards are not on the reserved list. So they can easily make a super interesting tribal deck out of them.
I mean, look at this guy... You'd think he's on the RL, but nope.
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Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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Yea obviously not all will be cost reduction
also...
How many times do I have to tell you guys we are NOT GETING ELFS IN THIS!!!
http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/card-set-archive/commander-2014/guided-by-nature
This is the commander 2014 deck guided by nature this is elf tribal. As a matter of fact in the commander anthology that's comig out in a few more days this is one of the decks in it.
Given the Freyalise's 2014 Commander deck is getting rereleased in a few days, I would be MASSIVELY disappointed if one of the C17 decks is another Elf tribal deck, and should lots and lots of people.
I've been preparing for that one. I just got the last deck I needed off of walmarts site for C16, which was the Entropic Uprising deck. You can actually get it from them for about 35 usd right now while everyone else is spiking the price to 60+ usd per box on ebay. Next step is to see where the price trajectory goes on the anthologies. Right now it looks like everyone is planning on arbitrage on those things and selling the Kalia deck for insane amounts.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
So thinking about the possible likely tribes and colors...
Angels - WBR OR WUBRG
Dragons (Confirmed) - WUBRG
Demons - BR OR UBR
??? - ???
Seems the brunt of the colors is going to be B/R/X followed by W/X.
There would need to be a U/X, G/X or U/G/X deck.
Ok I figured
And iconic tribes is a good guess since all of them are popular and interesting
For the unexspected tribe
It's will probably be one of these
Devoid CWUBRG Eldrazi/WUBRG spirits (O-kagachi has the same problem as Karador no tribal support ability.) WUBRG hydras (hey they are on the iconic list.)
There's only four hypotheses I'm willing to bet on at this moment:
1. Spirits aren't happening. If they were, O-Kagachi would've been in that deck instead of the dragon deck, and he would've had Soulshift or Spiritcraft or some other sort of ability that plays well with spirits.
2. Werewolves aren't happening. There are so many logistical issues with a precon that has that many DFCs.
3. Elves aren't happening. Not only have we already gotten an elf deck, it's being reprinted in Commander Anthologies.
4. One tribe is "unexpected", but it's still going to be a tribe that has at least some tribal support. The vast majority of the contents of these decks have to be reprints, so it's just not viable to try and make relevant a creature type that has never mattered before. Forget your pipe dreams of construct tribal, pirate tribal, or ooze tribal; think more eldrazi, bird, or faerie.
They could do wizards tribal. The core would largely be blue, but they can go esper for cards like Stormscape Master or go bant and do a merging of simic and azorius mages. That and Sunscape Master.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. Yes O-kagachi in dragons hurts the chances but how do you know there won't be a version of him with the that which was taken (a different version that supports spirits.)
2. Oh believe when I learned about Maros statement on DFC are being avoided in commander.
3. Amen
4. Yes sir eldrazis is number one on my list of winning the unexspected slot wizards said a while back they are considering a colorless pre-built commander deck this is a chance at that due to not being colored focused, and some of the artifact Mana rocks are not getting cheap that's a good opportunity of reprinting those,
(Ps I only heard about it I don't know the source.)
Goblin Green Acres
That would be fun I guess... The current leader for a "God" deck is what? Karona, False God? Progenitus? Meh... I'm already having to pack stuff like Godsend and Sword of Kaldra in my decks just to handle the amounts of Gods and Eldazi titans in my meta as of late so I'm prep'd for a true 5c god
Goblin Green Acres
I understand also there could be another spirit legend that could take his place.
But yea I don't feel spirits will happen.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
My commander deck is nicknamed "Swords and Kings" for a reason. I have every single sword of value in the deck and some extra "good stuff" to boot. Only downside is it is a mono-white C14 Nahiri build.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yep that's a option.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
WE ARE NOT GETTING ELFS!
It happened in commander 2014 we got mono green elf tribal they are not going to do it again.
Let it go (same goes to everybody else who still thinks it's possible)
I really hope you're wrong and we do get elves just because you're so unbelievably obnoxious about it.
Also, plural elf is elves. Get it right.
RRR Buy some of my art! Prints! RRR
Plot twist: every single deck in C17 is an el*VES* deck just to contradict the obnoxious font you're using
They largely say those things in relation to new main sets and not so much casual products. Commander is one of the few places kamigawa reprints are possible outside of a masters set. I wouldn't mind more time spiral love and barbarian love, but I think the latest duel deck got that covered for parts on those fronts.
Edit: Also, just looked at a wizard list and I think it is pretty probable they could put together an WUB wizard list. Glen Elendra Archmage, Patron Wizard, and Stormscape Master combined with Magus of the moat, Meddling Mage, and Ghoulcaller Gisa of all things. It could be an interesting controllish style deck. Is Coffin Queen reprintable? Need to check that one.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Same deal with Goblins. We have a Jund Goblin legend now, let's see what they can do with Grixis, Naya, Mardu, Jeskai, and Temur.
And of course I have to complete the trio with Merfolk in Bant, Esper, Grixis, Jeskai, Sultai, and Temur.
As for my reasoning behind these trios: We've seen these tribes in all four pairs that include their core color, so it's only logical that we eventually see them in each trio for their color as well. Partner legends for those pairs would help immensely, of course. Then you can play a tribe in each of their trios with four legends instead of six.
As is, we already have one of each:
Merfolk
UB
UR
GU Thrasios, Triton Hero
WU
Goblin
RG
RW
UR
BR Vial Smasher the Fierce
Elf
GW
GU
BG
RG Tana, the Bloodsower
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Let it go, let it go
Speculation, speculation
Only guess I'm willing to post...... Wizards
Heck the speculation for wizards got me looking into all the wizards available and now I've actually started building a wizards list. Esper wizards is just so much handyman utility in a single deck and even going back to visions many of the commander playable wizards are not on the reserved list. So they can easily make a super interesting tribal deck out of them.
I mean, look at this guy... You'd think he's on the RL, but nope.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!